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If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be?

1 - Treaty of Paris (1783)
26
5%
2 - Pact of Umar
9
2%
3 - Treaty of Versailles
365
65%
4 - The Peace of Westphalia
24
4%
5 - The Congress of Vienna (1814)
33
6%
6 - Treaty of Berlin (1868)
12
2%
7 - Treaty of Trianon
19
3%
8 - Treaty of San Francisco
13
2%
9 - Japan–Korea Treaty (1905)
37
7%
10 - Other (Please give your take in the comment section, only so many options can be added)
26
5%
 
Total votes : 564

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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:34 pm

War Gears wrote:So would banning Christianity, but we can't have everything we want.


Christianity is the basis of Western Civilization. I think anime is okay as long as it is not blasphemous or obscene. But then I may be biased because anime is sort of my guilty pleasure.

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War Gears
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Postby War Gears » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:41 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Christianity is the basis of Western Civilization.


Maybe a few hundred years ago, until the Enlightenment and capitalism.

We can just replace it with Jainism. Hope you all like muhapatti.
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The East Marches II
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:44 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
TEM is I'll Take My Stand on steroids.


So an agrarian regionalist conservative from the south?


From the Midwest and I ought to thank Parkus for such a kind compliment

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Proctopeo
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:46 pm

War Gears wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Christianity is the basis of Western Civilization.


Maybe a few hundred years ago, until the Enlightenment and capitalism.

We can just replace it with Jainism. Hope you all like muhapatti.

Let's replace it with the Church of Helix instead.
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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:45 pm

War Gears wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Christianity is the basis of Western Civilization.


Maybe a few hundred years ago, until the Enlightenment and capitalism.


The Enlightenment and capitalism are the primary forces driving modern degeneracy.
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Senkaku
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:54 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
TEM is I'll Take My Stand on steroids.


So an agrarian regionalist conservative from the south?

Imagine if the Khmer Rouge found Jesus and had a torrid love affair with Erdogan
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Postby Aillyria » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:57 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
War Gears wrote:
Maybe a few hundred years ago, until the Enlightenment and capitalism.


The Enlightenment and capitalism are the primary forces driving modern degeneracy.

Eh.....capitalism, yes. The Enlightenment was, on the whole, a benevolent force and superior to what was before it.
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Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Aillyria
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Postby Aillyria » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:58 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
War Gears wrote:
Maybe a few hundred years ago, until the Enlightenment and capitalism.


The Enlightenment and capitalism are the primary forces driving modern degeneracy.

Eh.....capitalism, yes. The Enlightenment was, on the whole, a benevolent force and superior to what was before it.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:00 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
War Gears wrote:
Maybe a few hundred years ago, until the Enlightenment and capitalism.

We can just replace it with Jainism. Hope you all like muhapatti.

Let's replace it with the Church of Helix instead.

Helix is nothing compared to the Dome Fossil.
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:08 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Let's replace it with the Church of Helix instead.

Helix is nothing compared to the Dome Fossil.

Begone heretic!
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Postby El Hamidah » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:10 pm

Aellex wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
Anime is pretty reich wing.

See: Ghost in the Shell.

Or even more so Berserk.

Berserk doesn't argue for really any political perspective. Unless you think Griffith really is Jesus.

And Ghost in the Shell is far from Right Wing.
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El Hamidah
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Postby El Hamidah » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:12 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
War Gears wrote:
Maybe a few hundred years ago, until the Enlightenment and capitalism.


The Enlightenment and capitalism are the primary forces driving modern degeneracy.

The past was degenerate as fuck. Trying to return to an idealized version of a time in it is basically suicide.
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War Gears
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Postby War Gears » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:56 pm

Thoughts on Ludwig Klages? Parkus, thought you might be interested in him.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:58 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Helix is nothing compared to the Dome Fossil.

Begone heretic!

You must face the truth. Flareon will lead us to true victory.
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:52 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
War Gears wrote:
Maybe a few hundred years ago, until the Enlightenment and capitalism.


The Enlightenment and capitalism are the primary forces driving modern degeneracy.


Long live the Enlightenment!
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The East Marches II
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:56 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
The Enlightenment and capitalism are the primary forces driving modern degeneracy.


Long live the Enlightenment!


I don't know what you are cheering crypto-bolshevik

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:03 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Long live the Enlightenment!


I don't know what you are cheering crypto-bolshevik


Keep jeering, bootlicker. You'll get yours.
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The East Marches II
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:07 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I don't know what you are cheering crypto-bolshevik


Keep jeering, bootlicker. You'll get yours.


I have nothing to fear, Al-Hoppeyyun (PBUH) is on my side. Your mere thoughts violate the NAP.

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:13 pm

War Gears wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Christianity is the basis of Western Civilization.


Maybe a few hundred years ago, until the Enlightenment and capitalism.

We can just replace it with Jainism. Hope you all like muhapatti.


Ah yes, one of the more successful religions in the world, right up there with Cheondoism and Hoahaoism .

It's almost as if extreme pacifism is incredibly impractical on a large scale (although tbf, I don't believe Jainism has ever strived to be the most influential or widespread religion) and just doesn't work outside of individual or relatively small group efforts, like monasteries.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:17 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Keep jeering, bootlicker. You'll get yours.


I have nothing to fear, Al-Hoppeyyun (PBUH) is on my side. Your mere thoughts violate the NAP.


Hoppe is a conservative-collectivist, he is the enemy of the PEOPLE and therefore violates the NAP.
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War Gears
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Postby War Gears » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:34 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Ah yes, one of the more successful religions in the world, right up there with Cheondoism and Hoahaoism .


It's one of the oldest religions in existence and has had a massive influence on Indian history, as well as Hinduism and Buddhism, the latter probably best described as a Jain heresy. So I think it is a bit more successful than the two you mentioned.
Salus Maior wrote:It's almost as if extreme pacifism is incredibly impractical on a large scale (although tbf, I don't believe Jainism has ever strived to be the most influential or widespread religion) and just doesn't work outside of individual or relatively small group efforts, like monasteries.


Not all Jains are ascetics, most will pretty honestly admit that they can't live to that extreme standard, and will simply do their best to adhere as best they can at the present moment. In regard to "extreme pacifism," this mainly involves not harming innocent life forms. There have been Jain monks who've used violence to defend innocent people, such as nuns, in the past.
Parasparopagraho Jīvānām.

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The East Marches II
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:34 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I have nothing to fear, Al-Hoppeyyun (PBUH) is on my side. Your mere thoughts violate the NAP.


Hoppe is a conservative-collectivist, he is the enemy of the PEOPLE and therefore violates the NAP.


>Implying violating the property of the King isn't a violation of the NAP

Anon,the king is merely an owner and you are a renter, you have to respect his rights. Property > muh people

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:05 pm

War Gears wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Ah yes, one of the more successful religions in the world, right up there with Cheondoism and Hoahaoism .


It's one of the oldest religions in existence and has had a massive influence on Indian history, as well as Hinduism and Buddhism, the latter probably best described as a Jain heresy. So I think it is a bit more successful than the two you mentioned.
Salus Maior wrote:It's almost as if extreme pacifism is incredibly impractical on a large scale (although tbf, I don't believe Jainism has ever strived to be the most influential or widespread religion) and just doesn't work outside of individual or relatively small group efforts, like monasteries.


Not all Jains are ascetics, most will pretty honestly admit that they can't live to that extreme standard, and will simply do their best to adhere as best they can at the present moment. In regard to "extreme pacifism," this mainly involves not harming innocent life forms. There have been Jain monks who've used violence to defend innocent people, such as nuns, in the past.


Oh it is, Jainism has 4 million adherents and the last two I mentioned only have 3. This is based off of this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_rel ... _religions

Yes, I think most Indian religions have affected each other one way or another (which is natural considering their general openness). They all pretty much have the same set of beliefs with some differences here and there, sometimes even worshiping the same gods as each other. In fact, many foreign religion visitors to India in the past thought they were all simply sects of each other, rather than individual religions. One probably could make an argument that such is true, but I can't and am not particularly interested in trying.

Ah, but what are "innocent" people? That tends to shift depending who you ask and what its convenient for.
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War Gears
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Postby War Gears » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:23 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Oh it is, Jainism has 4 million adherents and the last two I mentioned only have 3. This is based off of this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_rel ... _religions


:roll:
Salus Maior wrote:Yes, I think most Indian religions have affected each other one way or another (which is natural considering their general openness). They all pretty much have the same set of beliefs with some differences here and there, sometimes even worshiping the same gods as each other. In fact, many foreign religion visitors to India in the past thought they were all simply sects of each other, rather than individual religions. One probably could make an argument that such is true, but I can't and am not particularly interested in trying.


I'm just going to ignore the blatant lack of knowledge about Indian religions and history.
Salus Maior wrote:Ah, but what are "innocent" people? That tends to shift depending who you ask and what its convenient for.


Are nuns like choirboys now in that Catholics think they asked for it too?
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:33 pm

War Gears wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Oh it is, Jainism has 4 million adherents and the last two I mentioned only have 3. This is based off of this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_rel ... _religions


:roll:
Salus Maior wrote:Yes, I think most Indian religions have affected each other one way or another (which is natural considering their general openness). They all pretty much have the same set of beliefs with some differences here and there, sometimes even worshiping the same gods as each other. In fact, many foreign religion visitors to India in the past thought they were all simply sects of each other, rather than individual religions. One probably could make an argument that such is true, but I can't and am not particularly interested in trying.


I'm just going to ignore the blatant lack of knowledge about Indian religions and history.
Salus Maior wrote:Ah, but what are "innocent" people? That tends to shift depending who you ask and what its convenient for.


Are nuns like choirboys now in that Catholics think they asked for it too?


The 4 million number is also backed by other sources. So I suppose that Jainism's success is derived more by its ability to survive despite being so small for such a long time, rather than population. India, of course, in terms of native religions/rulers has generally been open and un-oppressive so that's not surprising that any religion would survive there (of course, given the Hindu nationalism going on now that remains to be seen in the future), but I think it'd be interesting to read up how Jainism survived the Islamic invasions, who were generally very aggressive in assimilating other groups into itself.

Yeah, I don't claim to be an expert on India. That's probably the one area of the world I lack knowledge on, but I have picked up understandings here and there.

That was more of a remark on how religions that claim to be pacifist or generally peaceful get around being pacifist when it becomes inconvenient.
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