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If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be?

1 - Treaty of Paris (1783)
26
5%
2 - Pact of Umar
9
2%
3 - Treaty of Versailles
365
65%
4 - The Peace of Westphalia
24
4%
5 - The Congress of Vienna (1814)
33
6%
6 - Treaty of Berlin (1868)
12
2%
7 - Treaty of Trianon
19
3%
8 - Treaty of San Francisco
13
2%
9 - Japan–Korea Treaty (1905)
37
7%
10 - Other (Please give your take in the comment section, only so many options can be added)
26
5%
 
Total votes : 564

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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:59 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
What else is one to call free booters in the mold of the Thirty Years War?

I don't see what's wrong with freebooters if they're fighting to liberate the downtrodden and carve out a homeland for them.

>butchering Menonites
>"liberating the downtrodden"
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The East Marches II
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:59 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
What else is one to call free booters in the mold of the Thirty Years War?

I don't see what's wrong with freebooters if they're fighting to liberate the downtrodden and carve out a homeland for them.


Bandits are a menace to society and honest citizens, goby pls. The Thirty Years War is proof enough you don't want that sort around. They engaged in butchery in addition to banditry. I see no reason to lionize them as something they weren't.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:00 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
What else is one to call free booters in the mold of the Thirty Years War?

I don't see what's wrong with freebooters if they're fighting to liberate the downtrodden and carve out a homeland for them.


Looks like someone needs to read Burke.
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-Jochistan-
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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:02 pm

Luminesa wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:The Anarchists were based

> Anarchy being based.
> Ever.

Yes, disorder and the destruction of an orderly society is based.

Eh. Anarchism has been characatured into being about that by contemporary media and stupid "activists" that only know of the concept of Anarchy from the lyrics of Punk Rock songs. So I wont hold having that misconception against you.

It's just communism without the concept of a dictatorship of the proletariat.

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Minzerland II
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Postby Minzerland II » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:02 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:My point being, you criticise UMN and Parkus for discouraging sympathy towards Christianity, but then you do exactly what you criticise: make your beliefs as unsympathetic as possible.

...how?

Through pontification, which makes War Gears' beliefs incredibly difficult to sympathise with, just like she accuses Parkus and UMN of doing. However she goes about making it unsympathetic is irrelevant, only that she has made her beliefs unsympathetic.
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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:07 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:I don't see what's wrong with freebooters if they're fighting to liberate the downtrodden and carve out a homeland for them.


Looks like someone needs to read Burke.

Yeah. I wasted my time with all that once.
Monarchism in general is kind of silly. And unless you're Thai it has little relevence or worth as a political ideology nowadays. Which is overall a good thing.

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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:08 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:I don't see what's wrong with freebooters if they're fighting to liberate the downtrodden and carve out a homeland for them.


Bandits are a menace to society and honest citizens, goby pls. The Thirty Years War is proof enough you don't want that sort around. They engaged in butchery in addition to banditry. I see no reason to lionize them as something they weren't.

That's why I glorify their violence to get the best of both worlds :^)

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Minzerland II
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Postby Minzerland II » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:11 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
Looks like someone needs to read Burke.

Yeah. I wasted my time with all that once.
Monarchism in general is kind of silly. And unless you're Thai it has little relevence or worth as a political ideology nowadays. Which is overall a good thing.

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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:13 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
Luminesa wrote:> Anarchy being based.
> Ever.

Yes, disorder and the destruction of an orderly society is based.

Eh. Anarchism has been characatured into being about that by contemporary media and stupid "activists" that only know of the concept of Anarchy from the lyrics of Punk Rock songs. So I wont hold having that misconception against you.

It's just communism without the concept of a dictatorship of the proletariat.

...No...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

Literally means a “stateless” society. Communism gives all the power to the state.
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Postby War Gears » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:14 pm

Minzerland II wrote:You may defend the accomplishments of Christianity, but that does not take away from the fact that you do not take Christianity seriously outside of its accomplishments.


Some of these were said out of anger rather than critical reflection. For instance, the first is my reaction to someone essentially calling me a man and saying that me having the right to have a psychologically beneficial surgery is going to result in pedophilia being accepted down the line. Many Catholics in North America are pro-LGBT rights, so it was wrong of me to conflate the opinions of Orthodox mad because people won't bow to their petty theocratic fantasies with Christiandom as a whole.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg.
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Minzerland II wrote:My point being, you criticise UMN and Parkus for discouraging sympathy towards Christianity, but then you do exactly what you criticise: make your beliefs as unsympathetic as possible.


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The Founding Fatherland
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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:14 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Why? Literally every faction in the Russian Civil War was trash.

The Anarchists were based


The Left is incapable of being "based". They care too much.
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Anarchy

Postby Proctopeo » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:14 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
Luminesa wrote:> Anarchy being based.
> Ever.

Yes, disorder and the destruction of an orderly society is based.

Eh. Anarchism has been characatured into being about that by contemporary media and stupid "activists" that only know of the concept of Anarchy from the lyrics of Punk Rock songs. So I wont hold having that misconception against you.

It's just communism without the concept of a dictatorship of the proletariat.

tbf all anarchism looks like egoist anarchism if you let it fester long enough
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The East Marches II
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:15 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Bandits are a menace to society and honest citizens, goby pls. The Thirty Years War is proof enough you don't want that sort around. They engaged in butchery in addition to banditry. I see no reason to lionize them as something they weren't.

That's why I glorify their violence to get the best of both worlds :^)


>Best of the Thirty Years War
>Best of nothing kafka-esque horror and slaughter
>Best

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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:15 pm

Luminesa wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:Eh. Anarchism has been characatured into being about that by contemporary media and stupid "activists" that only know of the concept of Anarchy from the lyrics of Punk Rock songs. So I wont hold having that misconception against you.

It's just communism without the concept of a dictatorship of the proletariat.

...No...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

Literally means a “stateless” society. Communism gives all the power to the state.


Uh, no, communism abolishes the state.
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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:15 pm

Luminesa wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:Eh. Anarchism has been characatured into being about that by contemporary media and stupid "activists" that only know of the concept of Anarchy from the lyrics of Punk Rock songs. So I wont hold having that misconception against you.

It's just communism without the concept of a dictatorship of the proletariat.

...No...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

Literally means a “stateless” society. Communism gives all the power to the state.

Yeah, another common misconception. Read The State and Revolution.

Communism isn't just Statism.

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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:17 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Luminesa wrote:...No...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

Literally means a “stateless” society. Communism gives all the power to the state.


Uh, no, communism abolishes the state.

On paper.
In practice, it empowers the state and is generally worse than monarchy.
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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:17 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:Eh. Anarchism has been characatured into being about that by contemporary media and stupid "activists" that only know of the concept of Anarchy from the lyrics of Punk Rock songs. So I wont hold having that misconception against you.

It's just communism without the concept of a dictatorship of the proletariat.

tbf all anarchism looks like egoist anarchism if you let it fester long enough

Uuuuuuuhhh not if it doesn't include egoism.

Most historical Anarchist movements were curbed or destroyed by outside forces, not because they "became too Anarchisty n Shiet"
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Postby War Gears » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:18 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Why not a poll on who was the Yandere between Hitler/Mussolini?

Anime conditions people to depravity and sickness, so that simply will not do.


Anime is literally any animation produced in Japan. That's uh, kind of a broad stroke to paint a nation's entire animated industry.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:19 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:tbf all anarchism looks like egoist anarchism if you let it fester long enough

Uuuuuuuhhh not if it doesn't include egoism.

Proctopeo wrote:if you let it fester long enough
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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:20 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Uh, no, communism abolishes the state.

On paper.
In practice, it empowers the state and is generally worse than monarchy.


Then it's not communism.

Communism is the absence of a state, currency, and class. If it retains any of those things it's not communism. The states of the Cold War were socialist states run by communists.
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Postby War Gears » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:21 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:On paper.
In practice, it empowers the state and is generally worse than monarchy.


Then it's not communism.

Communism is the absence of a state, currency, and class. If it retains any of those things it's not communism. The states of the Cold War were socialist states run by communists.


In what regard was the Paris Commune not a state?
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:23 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Uh, no, communism abolishes the state.

On paper.
In practice, it empowers the state and is generally worse than monarchy.

Right. Generally communist regimes have been dictatorships.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:23 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:tbf all anarchism looks like egoist anarchism if you let it fester long enough

Uuuuuuuhhh not if it doesn't include egoism.

Most historical Anarchist movements were curbed or destroyed by outside forces, not because they "became too Anarchisty n Shiet"


Anarchists suck at fighting wars. Spain is the prime example of how to choke and blow it.
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Anarchy

Postby Proctopeo » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:23 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:On paper.
In practice, it empowers the state and is generally worse than monarchy.


Then it's not communism.

Communism is the absence of a state, currency, and class. If it retains any of those things it's not communism. The states of the Cold War were socialist states run by communists.

>"it wasn't REAL communism!"
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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:25 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:Uuuuuuuhhh not if it doesn't include egoism.

Proctopeo wrote:if you let it fester long enough

...do you have historical examples of that happening exactly for that reason?

And I mean actual anarchist movements, not a hippie/squatter commune made in the middle of some grubby Euro craphole.

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