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If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be?

1 - Treaty of Paris (1783)
26
5%
2 - Pact of Umar
9
2%
3 - Treaty of Versailles
365
65%
4 - The Peace of Westphalia
24
4%
5 - The Congress of Vienna (1814)
33
6%
6 - Treaty of Berlin (1868)
12
2%
7 - Treaty of Trianon
19
3%
8 - Treaty of San Francisco
13
2%
9 - Japan–Korea Treaty (1905)
37
7%
10 - Other (Please give your take in the comment section, only so many options can be added)
26
5%
 
Total votes : 564

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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:39 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:So would you say that an autocrat cannot sin when acting as leader of the state, as long as he isn't corrupt? That no mistake he could legitimately make would be sin?

Looking at the OT, it's clear monarchs can mistakenly sin. But judgement and punishment per se are not sins when performed by the sovereign, be it an individual or a state. Sovereignty is an office appointed by God to exercise these functions.

But, again, when they exercise these functions incorrectly and, as a result, inflict suffering, then that is still sin.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:51 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Looking at the OT, it's clear monarchs can mistakenly sin. But judgement and punishment per se are not sins when performed by the sovereign, be it an individual or a state. Sovereignty is an office appointed by God to exercise these functions.

But, again, when they exercise these functions incorrectly and, as a result, inflict suffering, then that is still sin.

Not if it's by due process. Would a Mosaic judge be sinning if he only erred through applying the law?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:53 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:But, again, when they exercise these functions incorrectly and, as a result, inflict suffering, then that is still sin.

Not if it's by due process. Would a Mosaic judge be sinning if he only erred through applying the law?

So, would it not have been a sin if the woman caught in adultery had been stoned to death?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:55 pm

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The Parkus Empire wrote:I have come to the conclusion that women are a conspiracy. I see them everywhere I go, they invade my thoughts and dreams. The restroom is my only sanctuary, the last sacred partition.

Women are pretty bad, and should be avoided at all costs for the sake of one's dignity and sanity.

The avoiding them is actually what's driving me insane, dignity aside.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:59 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Not if it's by due process. Would a Mosaic judge be sinning if he only erred through applying the law?

So, would it not have been a sin if the woman caught in adultery had been stoned to death?


She was not convicted by a court (Christ's trial was also performed illegally). More importantly, several of the crowd had slept with her, and Christ was in fact writing the names of the guilty parties in the dirt.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:01 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Women are pretty bad, and should be avoided at all costs for the sake of one's dignity and sanity.

The avoiding them is actually what's driving me insane, dignity aside.

I can't really give you good advice on how to avoid women, it's not a problem for me.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:01 pm

In other words, the stoning of the adultress was pure mob violence, and clearly bullshit since they let the man she was with off the hook.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:01 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:So, would it not have been a sin if the woman caught in adultery had been stoned to death?


She was not convicted by a court (Christ's trial was also performed illegally). More importantly, several of the crowd had slept with her, and Christ was in fact writing the names of the guilty parties in the dirt.

That's one interpretation of many.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:02 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:In other words, the stoning of the adultress was pure mob violence, and clearly bullshit since they let the man she was with off the hook.

I would say that jury trials are equally mob rule. Just because the mob is selected randomly doesn't mean it's inherently more rational.
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Postby HMS Barham » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:03 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:In other words, the stoning of the adultress was pure mob violence, and clearly bullshit since they let the man she was with off the hook.

I would say that jury trials are equally mob rule. Just because the mob is selected randomly doesn't mean it's inherently more rational.

The original idea was the juries would be selected from amongst the better sort of person. Mob rule juries are an invention of the 20th century. Originally, juries were aristocratic.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:03 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:The avoiding them is actually what's driving me insane, dignity aside.

I can't really give you good advice on how to avoid women, it's not a problem for me.

It's going without carnal satisfaction drives me nuts, and now I basically turn into butter whenever a woman flirts with me or touches me. It's most distressing
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:06 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I can't really give you good advice on how to avoid women, it's not a problem for me.

It's going without carnal satisfaction drives me nuts, and now I basically turn into butter whenever a woman flirts with me or touches me. It's most distressing

You can solve that problem by not being a fucking normie.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:08 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:In other words, the stoning of the adultress was pure mob violence, and clearly bullshit since they let the man she was with off the hook.

I would say that jury trials are equally mob rule. Just because the mob is selected randomly doesn't mean it's inherently more rational.

It's according to court procedure and due process
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:09 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:It's going without carnal satisfaction drives me nuts, and now I basically turn into butter whenever a woman flirts with me or touches me. It's most distressing

You can solve that problem by not being a fucking normie.


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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:11 pm

Senkaku wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:You can solve that problem by not being a fucking normie.


Final score in this conversation-
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It's true, if he weren't a normie, it wouldn't be a problem.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:12 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I would say that jury trials are equally mob rule. Just because the mob is selected randomly doesn't mean it's inherently more rational.

It's according to court procedure and due process

All of which the jury can and often does ignore to just go with their views on the matter. And God help the defendant if the jury has the authority to sentence him.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:26 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I can't really give you good advice on how to avoid women, it's not a problem for me.

It's going without carnal satisfaction drives me nuts, and now I basically turn into butter whenever a woman flirts with me or touches me. It's most distressing

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Postby Luminesa » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:42 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I can't really give you good advice on how to avoid women, it's not a problem for me.

It's going without carnal satisfaction drives me nuts, and now I basically turn into butter whenever a woman flirts with me or touches me. It's most distressing

That...may be something that requires a counselor of some sort. You may have trouble expressing your sexuality properly outside of sex. And when I say “expressing your sexuality”, I mean, “expressing your masculinity in a way that is healthy”.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:44 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:So, would it not have been a sin if the woman caught in adultery had been stoned to death?


She was not convicted by a court (Christ's trial was also performed illegally). More importantly, several of the crowd had slept with her, and Christ was in fact writing the names of the guilty parties in the dirt.

“Neither have I condemned you, now go and sin no more.”
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Postby Minzerland II » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:01 pm

Luminesa wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:That is not to say you are a malicious person in general, just that you feel intense malice and hatred toward me, and shift that intensity by reading it into me in my sentiment toward you and others. But when I'm hostile, I really unload, like with Soldati. I don't fool around

I dunno, you’re a lot more intense about going after people than Genivaria, they’re just trying to have a discussion and you just want a fight.

>Genivaria
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:04 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I dunno, you’re a lot more intense about going after people than Genivaria, they’re just trying to have a discussion and you just want a fight.

>Genivaria
>trying to have a discussion
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>implying anyone actually wants a discussion
>implying that we're not all here just to shitpost under multiple layers of abstraction and irony about politics we don't care about
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:37 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I dunno, you’re a lot more intense about going after people than Genivaria, they’re just trying to have a discussion and you just want a fight.

>Genivaria
>trying to have a discussion
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:59 pm

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Perhaps you can take your shit with Parkus somewhere else, Soldati? I don’t believe he is the topic of the thread.

This. And when I say "this" I mean discussion of another player as if that person were the subject of the thread. Parkus annoys you? put him on your Foes list and ignore him. Find yourself getting incensed over something someone posts? Stand up, walk away. Don't hit that "Submit" button.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:02 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:>Genivaria
>trying to have a discussion
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>implying anyone actually wants a discussion
>implying that we're not all here just to shitpost under multiple layers of abstraction and irony about politics we don't care about

Now you're just ruining the magic of the RWDT.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:12 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Perhaps you can take your shit with Parkus somewhere else, Soldati? I don’t believe he is the topic of the thread.

This. And when I say "this" I mean discussion of another player as if that person were the subject of the thread. Parkus annoys you? put him on your Foes list and ignore him. Find yourself getting incensed over something someone posts? Stand up, walk away. Don't hit that "Submit" button.

And he can do the same for Genivaria and everyone else whom he claims “intensely hates” him. That way everyone is even.
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