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[Salus Maior]

Even if we accept that it's justice, what about when an innocent man is punished mistakenly?

Mistake: made.

Stealing decades of a person's life, or taking their life unjustly is a little more than a "mistake".

[The Parkus Empire]

There are no innocent men.

There are people who are not guilty of specific things, however. And should not be punished for something they did not do.

That is correct, but of course that's not what's being debated here.

[The Parkus Empire]

I have come to the conclusion that women are a conspiracy. I see them everywhere I go, they invade my thoughts and dreams. The restroom is my only sanctuary, the last sacred partition.

[Genivaria]

"Making decisions is immoral."
Come again?

Having everyone make a single decision forces the evil that is decided upon everyone's conscience. It makes us all responsible for the evils that our government commits in our name.

I think this would be alot more true if we operated by referendum or direct democracy.
There's a difference between say voting in favor of atrocities and voting in favor of a rather charming man who signs off on atrocities.

[Genivaria]

There are no innocent men.

Warhammer 40k books aren't supposed to be taken as instruction manuals.

Goddamnit you beat me to it.

[Genivaria]

I have come to the conclusion that women are a conspiracy. I see them everywhere I go, they invade my thoughts and dreams. The restroom is my only sanctuary, the last sacred partition.

.....Poe's Law is in effect right now.

[Mattopilos II]

I have come to the conclusion that women are a conspiracy. I see them everywhere I go, they invade my thoughts and dreams. The restroom is my only sanctuary, the last sacred partition.

.....Poe's Law is in effect right now.

And apparently conspiracy theory hour is as well.

[The East Marches II]

I have come to the conclusion that women are a conspiracy. I see them everywhere I go, they invade my thoughts and dreams. The restroom is my only sanctuary, the last sacred partition.

I believe women are infact a myth. You are just imagining things my friend. There is nothing to be concerned about.

[Old Tyrannia]

I have come to the conclusion that women are a conspiracy. I see them everywhere I go, they invade my thoughts and dreams. The restroom is my only sanctuary, the last sacred partition.

Conspiracy theories are a conspiracy designed to distract us from the true conspiracy.

[The Parkus Empire]

I have come to the conclusion that women are a conspiracy. I see them everywhere I go, they invade my thoughts and dreams. The restroom is my only sanctuary, the last sacred partition.

Conspiracy theories are a conspiracy designed to distract us from the true conspiracy.

That men ARE women, but with junk instead of briack-a-brac?

[The Parkus Empire]

I have come to the conclusion that women are a conspiracy. I see them everywhere I go, they invade my thoughts and dreams. The restroom is my only sanctuary, the last sacred partition.

I believe women are infact a myth. You are just imagining things my friend. There is nothing to be concerned about.

Heathen to be sure, but having spent most of my life as a heathen I tell you they are no mere myth

[Senkaku]

I have come to the conclusion that women are a conspiracy. I see them everywhere I go, they invade my thoughts and dreams. The restroom is my only sanctuary, the last sacred partition.

I believe women are infact a myth. You are just imagining things my friend. There is nothing to be concerned about.

Does this mean you're all actually gay :thonk:

[The East Marches II]

I believe women are infact a myth. You are just imagining things my friend. There is nothing to be concerned about.

Heathen to be sure, but having spent most of my life as a heathen I tell you they are no mere myth

May God help us. I-I didn't know they were real.

[Luminesa]

>Other people don't wanna live free of sin
>This is Papism's fault
Come on Senpai.

Innocent III repeals the Magna Carta

Benedict XVI says we must subject the world to a global financial authority.

But if you think Papism is bs meddling in shit that isn't the Pope's concern, you don't wanna leave free of sin. :^)

Magna Carta was annulled because neither side liked the terms of conditions. Then they just decided to go to war openly.

[Luminesa]

Meanwhile, in any other sort of state we're still responsible because we're not overthrowing the government.

Don't like it? Vote for someone else next time.

And if that person wins, then I'm responsible for the evils they commit in my name. No, I refuse to vote or participate in democracy in any way under those terms.

What if the person you vote for drastically changes during his presidency, and does things that are not the reason you voted for him? Let’s say you voted for Obama, because he said he would take troops out of Iraq (which he did). What if he decided during his second term to keep them in Iraq, when he said he would get them out? Are the people who voted for him to blame, or did Obama simply change his mind? Because the people did not make that decision, nor did they want Obama to make that decision.

[Luminesa]

Dostoevsky's point was not really that government is evil, just that evil largely necessitates it.

There we go, a more well-known writer that I know. But it’s his point, still, not yours.

[The East Marches II]

Innocent III repeals the Magna Carta

Benedict XVI says we must subject the world to a global financial authority.

But if you think Papism is bs meddling in shit that isn't the Pope's concern, you don't wanna leave free of sin. :^)

Magna Carta was annulled because neither side liked the terms of conditions. Then they just decided to go to war openly.

>annulled because neither side liked it

Rather because King John overplayed his hand :^)

[The Parkus Empire]

I believe women are infact a myth. You are just imagining things my friend. There is nothing to be concerned about.

Does this mean you're all actually gay :thonk:

Gayness is a thing of Greek mythology.

[The Parkus Empire]

Heathen to be sure, but having spent most of my life as a heathen I tell you they are no mere myth

May God help us. I-I didn't know they were real.

Tfw Mulder is never around when you need him

[Northern Davincia]

We need to legalize open-carry swords.

Why not bring back duels too? It would be the only thing lacking to start LARPing as 19th century aristocrats.

Yes please and thank you.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The state is made up of individuals, so if those individuals are punishing people, such as, in a jury, they are committing evil. A jury or voter is not the state, but if they control the state, then it is them acting through the state, not the state acting itself. The state must not be subject to popular will, so that it doesn't pass its functions along to individuals.

Let us suppose the state is controlled by an autocrat: that autocrat still has the "seal" of authority from God to judge and punish; he is not acting in his capacity as an individual, but as an authorized agent of God; King Bob does not judge and punish as "Bob" but as "King". No individual acting under that seal, is liable for sin (unless he corruptly uses it), because that seal specifically exempts the judgement and punishment from Christ's prohibition of it, because that seal is authorization from God to judge and punish. While you are sitting in a jury, you are acting under that seal; but the moment you go back to your regular life, you aren't.

So would you say that an autocrat cannot sin when acting as leader of the state, as long as he isn't corrupt? That no mistake he could legitimately make would be sin?

[United Muscovite Nations]

And if that person wins, then I'm responsible for the evils they commit in my name. No, I refuse to vote or participate in democracy in any way under those terms.

What if the person you vote for drastically changes during his presidency, and does things that are not the reason you voted for him? Let’s say you voted for Obama, because he said he would take troops out of Iraq (which he did). What if he decided during his second term to keep them in Iraq, when he said he would get them out? Are the people who voted for him to blame, or did Obama simply change his mind? Because the people did not make that decision, nor did they want Obama to make that decision.

Then those people should not have placed trust in elected leaders.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I have come to the conclusion that women are a conspiracy. I see them everywhere I go, they invade my thoughts and dreams. The restroom is my only sanctuary, the last sacred partition.

Women are pretty bad, and should be avoided at all costs for the sake of one's dignity and sanity.

[The Parkus Empire]

Let us suppose the state is controlled by an autocrat: that autocrat still has the "seal" of authority from God to judge and punish; he is not acting in his capacity as an individual, but as an authorized agent of God; King Bob does not judge and punish as "Bob" but as "King". No individual acting under that seal, is liable for sin (unless he corruptly uses it), because that seal specifically exempts the judgement and punishment from Christ's prohibition of it, because that seal is authorization from God to judge and punish. While you are sitting in a jury, you are acting under that seal; but the moment you go back to your regular life, you aren't.

So would you say that an autocrat cannot sin when acting as leader of the state, as long as he isn't corrupt? That no mistake he could legitimately make would be sin?

Looking at the OT, it's clear monarchs can mistakenly sin. But judgement and punishment per se are not sins when performed by the sovereign, be it an individual or a state. Sovereignty is an office appointed by God to exercise these functions.

[The Parkus Empire]

It works the same with sex: it's not a sin per se when it's within the seal of matrimony