Right Wing Discussion Thread X: Pol's closed

[Taihei Tengoku]

A small minority already pays for government.

Mitt Romney, although insensitive, was totally correct.

[Senkaku]

Armed world hegemony and virtuous empire sound like two good things

That's correct

i think i've just won NSG????

(emphases mine)

Thar is a bit hyperbolic. I think we've made great progress in the private sector towards reducing emission and waste. However ultimately I think our true fate lies in colonizing the stars to reduce pressure here on Earth.

This tbh, I'm hyped for space automated colonies

I want your guy's opinion on modern consumerism and it's future in our society.

I think that it is morally disgusting, placing our values and goals on earthly things. I also happen to believe it is unsustainable and if we do not dramatically change our consumption habits we will, inevitably, collapse our own biosphere.

Yeah, fueling the modern economy and consumerism are biting us in the ecological ass, but they aren't morally disgusting- don't listen to people who try to tell you our values have ever really been about anything besides "earthly things", as you summarize them. And I'm not too concerned about the super long term of the biosphere- life on Earth will survive regardless, and if we go down I doubt it'll be due to slow suffocation as we'd end up heading off to space, but rather in a nuclear firestorm, at which point long-term considerations kinda go out the window (or get blown out the window, I guess).

Thar is a bit hyperbolic. I think we've made great progress in the private sector towards reducing emission and waste. However ultimately I think our true fate lies in colonizing the stars to reduce pressure here on Earth.

Unless we make incredibly rapid progress in the next few decades it'll be too late. We need to make pretty radical changes NOW if we want to prevent serious environmental (and of course human) crisis.

We can no longer talk in terms of "preventing" crisis. We're already in crisis and it's a matter of how bad it'll be.

Hint: if it'd take radical events that on their own constitute a crisis to "avoid" a crisis, and we're already suffering the consequences of the latter crisis, then it's no longer worth discussing "preventing" it, merely mitigating.

Unless we make incredibly rapid progress in the next few decades it'll be too late. We need to make pretty radical changes NOW if we want to prevent serious environmental (and of course human) crisis.

Maybe, maybe not. The truth is scientists don't really know what they're talking about when they predict future climate change,

Incorrect.

and it's difficult to tell how much of global warming is caused by human emissions and how much is natural.

Wrong.

Changes do need to be made, but it's hard to say how much we affect the environment,

No, it isn't.

and how drastic the future is environmentally.

Wrong again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atDXtvo6hIg

Thar is a bit hyperbolic. I think we've made great progress in the private sector towards reducing emission and waste. However ultimately I think our true fate lies in colonizing the stars to reduce pressure here on Earth.

We currently in a era of mass extinction - it's not a hyperbole. Give another 50 years and we will have destroyed what remains of the rain forest, the great barrier reef, and the world's major fisheries.

Yes, we face grave challenges and are causing colossal ecological damage that will bite us in the ass in big ways, but it was an exaggeration earlier to say we're on the path to "collapsing the biosphere." Don't delude yourself into thinking humans are special enough or powerful enough to end complex life or something.

Space colonization is a pipe dream

Less so every day.

until it can be made significantly cheaper -

More so every day.

which will not be for a long time, or in other words, too late.

Depends on what you define as "a long time." I'll bet you $1 that the first space habitat will be operational before the first WALL-E unit or whatever.

We need to stop relying on fantasies and the future generations to fix our problems; we need to start taking responsibility now.

We are, but it's foolish to think we can just put the brakes on the global economy and be able to continue making efforts to mitigate and undo the damage we're doing and have done. The growth of the world economy also drives innovation and funding that's needed for the big solutions that the future needs.

[Corpus Magnus]

Maybe, maybe not. The truth is scientists don't really know what they're talking about when they predict future climate change,

Incorrect.

and it's difficult to tell how much of global warming is caused by human emissions and how much is natural.

Wrong.

Changes do need to be made, but it's hard to say how much we affect the environment,

No, it isn't.

and how drastic the future is environmentally.

Wrong again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atDXtvo6hIg

And yet you provide no evidence to refute my statement.

[Senkaku]

Incorrect.

Wrong.

No, it isn't.

Wrong again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atDXtvo6hIg

And yet you provide no evidence to refute my statement.

You'll forgive me if I have better things to do than collect, organize, and repeat (in sufficiently small words) every iota of scientific evidence on the climate collected over the last half centuryish to every online edgelord who insists on smugly spouting delusional nonsense

[Corpus Magnus]

And yet you provide no evidence to refute my statement.

You'll forgive me if I have better things to do than collect, organize, and repeat (in sufficiently small words) every iota of scientific evidence on the climate collected over the last half centuryish to every online edgelord who insists on smugly spouting delusional nonsense

I've read the NOAA Climate Report and researched the topic. If you didn't want to debate over this topic, then why did you respond to my post?

[Senkaku]

You'll forgive me if I have better things to do than collect, organize, and repeat (in sufficiently small words) every iota of scientific evidence on the climate collected over the last half centuryish to every online edgelord who insists on smugly spouting delusional nonsense

I've read the NOAA Climate Report and researched the topic.

wow sounds like I'm talking to a bona fide I'm-not-a-scientist here!!!! what an occasion

If you didn't want to debate over this topic,

There's no debate to be had. There's facts and there's the truth.

then why did you respond to my post?

Didn't seem like anyone had called you out for posting that tired old bullshit, so figured I'd wave the flag. Maybe on another day I'd have the energy to go gather up an effortpost of links and chuckle as you tried to pick them apart with various garbage pieces of whataboutism, misinterpretation or misunderstanding, and anti-intellectualism, but I don't, so enjoy.

In the meantime, feel free to post your grand proof that the global scientific community is wrong- we've all been waiting for god knows how many years for someone to come up with something rigorous, maybe you'll have turned up some new and groundbreaking science on the matter.

[Benuty]

And yet you provide no evidence to refute my statement.

You'll forgive me if I have better things to do than collect, organize, and repeat (in sufficiently small words) every iota of scientific evidence on the climate collected over the last half centuryish to every online edgelord who insists on smugly spouting delusional nonsense

I disagree you signed up for this exercise in the mentally debilitating asylum we call the internet the moment you joined a forum.

[Luminesa]

And yet you provide no evidence to refute my statement.

You'll forgive me if I have better things to do than collect, organize, and repeat (in sufficiently small words) every iota of scientific evidence on the climate collected over the last half centuryish to every online edgelord who insists on smugly spouting delusional nonsense

You could even quote one article and explain your viewpoint. Saying “incorrect” and “wrong” is not arguing.

There are plenty of people who feel that we have swayed away from the spiritual and have become very materialistic. Sure, most of America still identifies as religious, but most are not as devout as, say, Christian settlers (for the most part) of the 18th century.

[Luminesa]

I've read the NOAA Climate Report and researched the topic.

wow sounds like I'm talking to a bona fide I'm-not-a-scientist here!!!! what an occasion

If you didn't want to debate over this topic,

There's no debate to be had. There's facts and there's the truth.

then why did you respond to my post?

Didn't seem like anyone had called you out for posting that tired old bullshit, so figured I'd wave the flag. Maybe on another day I'd have the energy to go gather up an effortpost of links and chuckle as you tried to pick them apart with various garbage pieces of whataboutism, misinterpretation or misunderstanding, and anti-intellectualism, but I don't, so enjoy.

In the meantime, feel free to post your grand proof that the global scientific community is wrong- we've all been waiting for god knows how many years for someone to come up with something rigorous, maybe you'll have turned up some new and groundbreaking science on the matter.

C’mon now, Senkaku, we had this same issue with Flutter in the FCC Thread. You can do better than this. If there is no debate then don’t reply. Otherwise you’re either giving an unbacked opinion, or you’re just fronting.

[Albrenia]

I'm much more inclined to believe the global scientific community over random people on the internet who think they see The Truth.

Also, as a secondary question, is becoming less spiritual a bad thing?

[New Emeline]

I'm much more inclined to believe the global scientific community over random people on the internet who think they see The Truth.

Also, as a secondary question, is becoming less spiritual a bad thing?

I would say no, not necessarily. Although some people have different definitions of spiritual. Some see it as an entirely different concept as religiousness, others as more of a synonym.

[Grand Britannia]

There should be a new poll by now.

[The East Marches II]

There should be a new poll by now.

Which state should be excluded from the Union? :^]

[Salus Maior]

There should be a new poll by now.

Which state should be excluded from the Union? :^]

We all know it'd be California.

[New Emeline]

Which state should be excluded from the Union? :^]

We all know it'd be California.

Say bye-bye to your biggest economic contributor then...

[Viktorika]

We all know it'd be California.

Say bye-bye to your biggest economic contributor then...

'muh economy'

This expression indicates a Californians' confusion and lack of understanding. When confronted with something he can not understand or respond to, Californians mumble, 'MUH ECONOMY.' This is usually followed by intense rectal pain from anal cancer (from homosexuality), intense White cuckoldry, or both.

[Aillyria]

We all know it'd be California.

Say bye-bye to your biggest economic contributor then...

The Union can survive just fine without California.

[The East Marches II]

Which state should be excluded from the Union? :^]

We all know it'd be California.

No, we must delet Florida. Floridaman must be stopped, the gators can't go any further.

[New Emeline]

Say bye-bye to your biggest economic contributor then...

'muh economy'

This expression indicates a Californians' confusion and lack of understanding. When confronted with something he can not understand or respond to, Californians mumble, 'MUH ECONOMY.' This is usually followed by intense rectal pain from anal cancer (from homosexuality), intense White cuckoldry, or both.

Whoa there friend, I'm not even Californian. I was expecting a bit more eloquent of a response than "GAY" and "CUCK".

[Viktorika]

'muh economy'

This expression indicates a Californians' confusion and lack of understanding. When confronted with something he can not understand or respond to, Californians mumble, 'MUH ECONOMY.' This is usually followed by intense rectal pain from anal cancer (from homosexuality), intense White cuckoldry, or both.

Whoa there friend, I'm not even Californian. I was expecting a bit more eloquent of a response than "GAY" and "CUCK".

It's the Scholastic Image Macro. And I was just mere bantering, apologies.

[New Emeline]

Say bye-bye to your biggest economic contributor then...

The Union can survive just fine without California.

I understand that, it would just make a bit of a dent.

[New Emeline]

Whoa there friend, I'm not even Californian. I was expecting a bit more eloquent of a response than "GAY" and "CUCK".

It's the Scholastic Image Macro. And I was just mere bantering, apologies.

None needed. It's rather hard to tell when one is being serious with those sort of statements.

[Aillyria]

Say bye-bye to your biggest economic contributor then...

'muh economy'

This expression indicates a Californians' confusion and lack of understanding. When confronted with something he can not understand or respond to, Californians mumble, 'MUH ECONOMY.' This is usually followed by intense rectal pain from anal cancer (from homosexuality), intense White cuckoldry, or both.

Slow down Speed Racer, you must be confused, Stormfront is the other way.

[Viktorika]

It's the Scholastic Image Macro. And I was just mere bantering, apologies.

None needed. It's rather hard to tell when one is being serious with those sort of statements.

Well, I was being serious that California is full of racial cuckoldry and gay aids, but my intention wasn't to personally attack you.

[Viktorika]

'muh economy'

This expression indicates a Californians' confusion and lack of understanding. When confronted with something he can not understand or respond to, Californians mumble, 'MUH ECONOMY.' This is usually followed by intense rectal pain from anal cancer (from homosexuality), intense White cuckoldry, or both.

Slow down Speed Racer, you must be confused, Stormfront is the other way.

Why would I have the slightest impulse to visit the boomer hellhole of Stormfront?