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If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be?

1 - Treaty of Paris (1783)
26
5%
2 - Pact of Umar
9
2%
3 - Treaty of Versailles
365
65%
4 - The Peace of Westphalia
24
4%
5 - The Congress of Vienna (1814)
33
6%
6 - Treaty of Berlin (1868)
12
2%
7 - Treaty of Trianon
19
3%
8 - Treaty of San Francisco
13
2%
9 - Japan–Korea Treaty (1905)
37
7%
10 - Other (Please give your take in the comment section, only so many options can be added)
26
5%
 
Total votes : 564

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:06 pm

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Taihei Tengoku wrote:When I masturbate I have the decency to do so in private.

If you cannot realize what paying more for your basic needs will do to your already meager income (for no gain in quality!) then perhaps it is inevitable you will always be duped.

Unless you're being paid to do it publicly, in which case regulation becomes oppressive

I can realize what paying 20% more for steel will do, thanks. It's not the Apocalypse


Drive up costs of consumers at home to support slightly higher pays for minimum wage workers. And then have that increase of pay made irrelevant due to everything costing 20% more because inflation.

But oh well, inflation is great for the rich I suppose.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:08 pm

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The Parkus Empire wrote:This article is a bit old (October of last year), but it's a very good critique of neocon imperialism: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... or-empire/


I am pained they bullied the Wall Street Journal editorial page tbh. I like to think they put good stuff out.

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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:08 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Unless you're being paid to do it publicly, in which case regulation becomes oppressive

I can realize what paying 20% more for steel will do, thanks. It's not the Apocalypse


Drive up costs of consumers at home to support slightly higher pays for minimum wage workers. And then have that increase of pay made irrelevant due to everything costing 20% more because inflation.

But oh well, inflation is great for the rich I suppose.


What is a Bolshevik doing commenting on economics?

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:10 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?

TEM would be Germanicus, ridiculously pragmatically brutal to his enemies yet super lenient towards his own. Also I can completely hear him agreeing with "The only way we're going to win this war is by killing *all* of the Germans. =^^^^)"

UMN is Constantine the Great, ready to enforce morality and authority under an autocratic reign.

Sanct is Septimius Severus, the aggressive conqueror and rejuvenator.

Benuty is Joesphus, the esoteric academic.

Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

Lumi would be Antoninus Pius due to being the nice one who is inexplicably not a complete bastard but still here.

North Davincia would be Crassus. The richest man in Rome seldom needs introduction.

Parkus would be Cato the Younger.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:10 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Drive up costs of consumers at home to support slightly higher pays for minimum wage workers. And then have that increase of pay made irrelevant due to everything costing 20% more because inflation.

But oh well, inflation is great for the rich I suppose.


What is a Bolshevik doing commenting on economics?


I have to ask ye the same question as this thread at times is more left wing than the LWDT.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:12 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Unless you're being paid to do it publicly, in which case regulation becomes oppressive

I can realize what paying 20% more for steel will do, thanks. It's not the Apocalypse


Drive up costs of consumers at home to support slightly higher pays for minimum wage workers. And then have that increase of pay made irrelevant due to everything costing 20% more because inflation.

But oh well, inflation is great for the rich I suppose.

"Steel unions are minimal wage and everything will go up by 20%."

Don't buy it, you'll have to outsource
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:13 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
What is a Bolshevik doing commenting on economics?


I have to ask ye the same question as this thread at times is more left wing than the LWDT.

This just in, liberal says liberalism is right wing and conservativism is left wing.
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:13 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
What is a Bolshevik doing commenting on economics?


I have to ask ye the same question as this thread at times is more left wing than the LWDT.


I wasn't aware we compared more favorably to you than your own home thread :^]

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Postby Sanctissima » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:14 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Unless you're being paid to do it publicly, in which case regulation becomes oppressive

I can realize what paying 20% more for steel will do, thanks. It's not the Apocalypse


Drive up costs of consumers at home to support slightly higher pays for minimum wage workers. And then have that increase of pay made irrelevant due to everything costing 20% more because inflation.

But oh well, inflation is great for the rich I suppose.


It's considerably better than being reduced to an economic whore of a nation that guts its own industrial sector in favour of buying cheap goods from abroad.

And if anything, mild protectionism results in deflation, not inflation. The rich do in fact typically benefit from free trade to the detriment of the nation as a whole, rather than the obverse.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:14 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:If it were REALLY rape, she would cry for help. Kill them both!
t. constantinian law code

I want to make a joke about this but every time I read it I remember it was real and get sad instead.
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:14 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?

TEM would be Germanicus, ridiculously pragmatically brutal to his enemies yet super lenient towards his own. Also I can completely hear him agreeing with "The only way we're going to win this war is by killing *all* of the Germans. =^^^^)"

UMN is Constantine the Great, ready to enforce morality and authority under an autocratic reign.

Sanct is Septimius Severus, the aggressive conqueror and rejuvenator.

Benuty is Joesphus, the esoteric academic.

Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

Lumi would be Antoninus Pius due to being the nice one who is inexplicably not a complete bastard but still here.

North Davincia would be Crassus. The richest man in Rome seldom needs introduction.

Parkus would be Cato the Younger.

I'm the Brothers Grachhi because I'm coming for your toothbrushes I'm Trajan because I want to rule the W O R L D and damn the cost I'm Julian because I support THE COMMONS and REPUBLICANISM and have facial hair

If it were REALLY rape, she would cry for help. Kill them both!
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:18 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
I have to ask ye the same question as this thread at times is more left wing than the LWDT.

This just in, liberal says liberalism is right wing and conservativism is left wing.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:22 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:This just in, liberal says liberalism is right wing and conservativism is left wing.

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Daily reminder Jesus abolished free trade in the temple and befriended tax collectors. :^)
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:24 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?

TEM would be Germanicus, ridiculously pragmatically brutal to his enemies yet super lenient towards his own. Also I can completely hear him agreeing with "The only way we're going to win this war is by killing *all* of the Germans. =^^^^)"

UMN is Constantine the Great, ready to enforce morality and authority under an autocratic reign.

Sanct is Septimius Severus, the aggressive conqueror and rejuvenator.

Benuty is Joesphus, the esoteric academic.

Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

Lumi would be Antoninus Pius due to being the nice one who is inexplicably not a complete bastard but still here.

North Davincia would be Crassus. The richest man in Rome seldom needs introduction.

Parkus would be Cato the Younger.

I'm the Brothers Grachhi because I'm coming for your toothbrushes I'm Trajan because I want to rule the W O R L D and damn the cost I'm Julian because I support THE COMMONS and REPUBLICANISM and have facial hair

Oh! Can I be a barbarian? I wanna be all,"BARBARBARBAR!" and destroy Rome!
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:25 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?

TEM would be Germanicus, ridiculously pragmatically brutal to his enemies yet super lenient towards his own. Also I can completely hear him agreeing with "The only way we're going to win this war is by killing *all* of the Germans. =^^^^)"

UMN is Constantine the Great, ready to enforce morality and authority under an autocratic reign.

Sanct is Septimius Severus, the aggressive conqueror and rejuvenator.

Benuty is Joesphus, the esoteric academic.

Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

Lumi would be Antoninus Pius due to being the nice one who is inexplicably not a complete bastard but still here.

North Davincia would be Crassus. The richest man in Rome seldom needs introduction.

Parkus would be Cato the Younger.

I'm the Brothers Grachhi because I'm coming for your toothbrushes I'm Trajan because I want to rule the W O R L D and damn the cost I'm Julian because I support THE COMMONS and REPUBLICANISM and have facial hair

I'm Stultus

Who's that? A peasant nobody cares about :(
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:29 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?

TEM would be Germanicus, ridiculously pragmatically brutal to his enemies yet super lenient towards his own. Also I can completely hear him agreeing with "The only way we're going to win this war is by killing *all* of the Germans. =^^^^)"

UMN is Constantine the Great, ready to enforce morality and authority under an autocratic reign.

Sanct is Septimius Severus, the aggressive conqueror and rejuvenator.

Benuty is Joesphus, the esoteric academic.

Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

Lumi would be Antoninus Pius due to being the nice one who is inexplicably not a complete bastard but still here.

North Davincia would be Crassus. The richest man in Rome seldom needs introduction.

Parkus would be Cato the Younger.

I'm the Brothers Grachhi because I'm coming for your toothbrushes I'm Trajan because I want to rule the W O R L D and damn the cost I'm Julian because I support THE COMMONS and REPUBLICANISM and have facial hair

Oh! Can I be a barbarian? I wanna be all,"BARBARBARBAR!" and destroy Rome!


The embodiment of 4chan gets Marius :^]

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:31 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Drive up costs of consumers at home to support slightly higher pays for minimum wage workers. And then have that increase of pay made irrelevant due to everything costing 20% more because inflation.

But oh well, inflation is great for the rich I suppose.

"Steel unions are minimal wage and everything will go up by 20%."

Don't buy it, you'll have to outsource


Unions be dead.

Also, a bit hyperbolic: everything involving steel will go up, on average, by 20% (or close to whatever the tariff is).

Furthermore tariffs are bad because of tariff wars. So it may not just be steel that is affected.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bush-ste ... act-2017-7

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The Liberated Territories wrote:
Drive up costs of consumers at home to support slightly higher pays for minimum wage workers. And then have that increase of pay made irrelevant due to everything costing 20% more because inflation.

But oh well, inflation is great for the rich I suppose.


It's considerably better than being reduced to an economic whore of a nation that guts its own industrial sector in favour of buying cheap goods from abroad.

And if anything, mild protectionism results in deflation, not inflation. The rich do in fact typically benefit from free trade to the detriment of the nation as a whole, rather than the obverse.


Fluff.

Top commenter: https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/15021/how-does-tariff-increase-inflation

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
I have to ask ye the same question as this thread at times is more left wing than the LWDT.

This just in, liberal says liberalism is right wing and conservativism is left wing.


Traditionally? It is. Conservatives such as Bismarck lurched left in order to draw more support to their fascistic, warmongering policies. Meanwhile the Liberals of Germany were united against him.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:31 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Oh! Can I be a barbarian? I wanna be all,"BARBARBARBAR!" and destroy Rome!


The embodiment of 4chan gets Marius :^]

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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:32 pm

tbh the Wall Street Journal opinion section is exceptionally dangerous for ones good health. The rest of the paper is excellent and still has that dividing line
It is unfortunate though that other papers don't nor does really the cable news. CNN was the WSJ op ed section fighting with itself 24/7.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:35 pm

The East Marches II wrote:tbh the Wall Street Journal opinion section is exceptionally dangerous for ones good health. The rest of the paper is excellent and still has that dividing line
It is unfortunate though that other papers don't nor does really the cable news. CNN was the WSJ op ed section fighting with itself 24/7.


CNN was the divorced wife of WSJ, who was too much interested in celebrity and fake news.
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:35 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
The embodiment of 4chan gets Marius :^]

Who's the embodiment of 4Chan?


You are

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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:36 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:tbh the Wall Street Journal opinion section is exceptionally dangerous for ones good health. The rest of the paper is excellent and still has that dividing line
It is unfortunate though that other papers don't nor does really the cable news. CNN was the WSJ op ed section fighting with itself 24/7.


CNN was the divorced wife of WSJ, who was too much interested in celebrity and fake news.


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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:41 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:"Steel unions are minimal wage and everything will go up by 20%."

Don't buy it, you'll have to outsource


Unions be dead.

Also, a bit hyperbolic: everything involving steel will go up, on average, by 20% (or close to whatever the tariff is).

Furthermore tariffs are bad because of tariff wars. So it may not just be steel that is affected.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bush-ste ... act-2017-7

Sanctissima wrote:
It's considerably better than being reduced to an economic whore of a nation that guts its own industrial sector in favour of buying cheap goods from abroad.

And if anything, mild protectionism results in deflation, not inflation. The rich do in fact typically benefit from free trade to the detriment of the nation as a whole, rather than the obverse.


Fluff.

Top commenter: https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/15021/how-does-tariff-increase-inflation

The Parkus Empire wrote:This just in, liberal says liberalism is right wing and conservativism is left wing.


Traditionally? It is. Conservatives such as Bismarck lurched left in order to draw more support to their fascistic, warmongering policies. Meanwhile the Liberals of Germany were united against him.


By "left" you mean against liberalism?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:43 pm

Bismarck was not really a warmonger beyond uniting Germany.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:44 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?

TEM would be Germanicus, ridiculously pragmatically brutal to his enemies yet super lenient towards his own. Also I can completely hear him agreeing with "The only way we're going to win this war is by killing *all* of the Germans. =^^^^)"

UMN is Constantine the Great, ready to enforce morality and authority under an autocratic reign.

Sanct is Septimius Severus, the aggressive conqueror and rejuvenator.

Benuty is Joesphus, the esoteric academic.

Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

Lumi would be Antoninus Pius due to being the nice one who is inexplicably not a complete bastard but still here.

North Davincia would be Crassus. The richest man in Rome seldom needs introduction.

Parkus would be Cato the Younger.

I'm the Brothers Grachhi because I'm coming for your toothbrushes I'm Trajan because I want to rule the W O R L D and damn the cost I'm Julian because I support THE COMMONS and REPUBLICANISM and have facial hair


I feel like I'd be Justinian.

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