Right Wing Discussion Thread X: Pol's closed

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Why not a poll on who was the Yandere between Hitler/Mussolini?

Anime conditions people to depravity and sickness, so that simply will not do.

So...like all media? I'd also like to point out that media, anime included, can be used to condition people against depravity and sickness as well.

[The East Marches II]

This is your Daily Reminder: The Carlists were the good guys in the Spanish Civil War.

[The Founding Fatherland]

Then it's not communism.

Communism is the absence of a state, currency, and class. If it retains any of those things it's not communism. The states of the Cold War were socialist states run by communists.

In what regard was the Paris Commune not a state?

The Paris Commune wasn't communist, it was merely the closest thing to communism in recorded history.

Unless you count hippie camps.

[Luminesa]

...do you have historical examples of that happening exactly for that reason?

And I mean actual anarchist movements, not a hippie/squatter commune made in the middle of some grubby Euro craphole.

Robespierre and his bunch? The Reign of Terror?

[Proctopeo]

...do you have historical examples of that happening exactly for that reason?

And I mean actual anarchist movements, not a hippie/squatter commune made in the middle of some grubby Euro craphole.

I would, if anarchist movements didn't have the tendency to... not work out.

[War Gears]

...do you have historical examples of that happening exactly for that reason?

And I mean actual anarchist movements, not a hippie/squatter commune made in the middle of some grubby Euro craphole.

Robespierre and his bunch? The Reign of Terror?

Robespierre was an anarchist.... what?

The closest figure of the period who could be called a proto-anarchist was the Marquis de Sade, and his philosophy was miles apart from Robespierre's.

[Fauxia]

Anime conditions people to depravity and sickness, so that simply will not do.

So...like all media? I'd also like to point out that media, anime included, can be used to condition people against depravity and sickness as well.

That does not mean they do

[-Jochistan-]

Then it's not communism.

Communism is the absence of a state, currency, and class. If it retains any of those things it's not communism. The states of the Cold War were socialist states run by communists.

>"it wasn't REAL communism!"

Not full communism would be the accurate way of saying that

Socialists/Communists seizing state power is a transitional phase in the broad scheme of it all. And you need Capitalism before Socialism.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

So...like all media? I'd also like to point out that media, anime included, can be used to condition people against depravity and sickness as well.

That does not mean they do

It doesn't, but it certainly means that it can be.

[Hakons]

Hoorah, another successful succession of power. As good citizens, we will be loyal to the new king. God save the RWDT!

[The East Marches II]

Hoorah, another successful succession of power. As good citizens, we will be loyal to the new king. God save the RWDT!

God save the RWDT!

[The Founding Fatherland]

Then it's not communism.

Communism is the absence of a state, currency, and class. If it retains any of those things it's not communism. The states of the Cold War were socialist states run by communists.

>"it wasn't REAL communism!"

By definition, no, it wasn't communism.

Definitions exist for a reason. The liberal misuse of words is an aspect of modern degeneracy. These aren't just words you can throw around, they have actual meanings behind them. Stop butchering language.

[War Gears]

In what regard was the Paris Commune not a state?

The Paris Commune wasn't communist, it was merely the closest thing to communism in recorded history.

Unless you count hippie camps.

The Paris Commune was the model which Marx and Engels looked at when developing their concept of an ideal society.

A commune is a form of political organization, and Marxists stuck in 19th century terminology are mainly the ones who constantly insist that it's different from a state.

[-Jochistan-]

Then it's not communism.

Communism is the absence of a state, currency, and class. If it retains any of those things it's not communism. The states of the Cold War were socialist states run by communists.

>"it wasn't REAL communism!"

And honestly I've heard the whole "It wasn't true Capitalism it was Crony Capitalism" from liberals WAY more than I've heard "It wasn't real Communism" from Socialists.

[The Founding Fatherland]

Hoorah, another successful succession of power. As good citizens, we will be loyal to the new king. God save the RWDT!

So long as he's not a capitalist.

The Paris Commune wasn't communist, it was merely the closest thing to communism in recorded history.

Unless you count hippie camps.

The Paris Commune was the model which Marx and Engels looked at when developing their concept of an ideal society.

A commune is a form of political organization, and Marxists stuck in 19th century terminology are mainly the ones who constantly insist that it's different from a state.

I know what the Paris Commune is.

Just because it influence communism doesn't make it communist. It was technically a state. A fake state, but still a state.

[Minzerland II]

You may defend the accomplishments of Christianity, but that does not take away from the fact that you do not take Christianity seriously outside of its accomplishments.

Some of these were said out of anger rather than critical reflection. For instance, the first is my reaction to someone essentially calling me a man and saying that me having the right to have a psychologically beneficial surgery is going to result in pedophilia being accepted down the line. Many Catholics in North America are pro-LGBT rights, so it was wrong of me to conflate the opinions of Orthodox mad because people won't bow to their petty theocratic fantasies with Christiandom as a whole.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg.

I'll concede that first quote.

After someone independently confirmed you two are separate people, I will concede that you are. But given that even the mods have learned to be suspicious of such claims, I won't say I didn't have a very good reason to be skeptical.

Very understandable, I will not fault you for your skepticism, especially because this is the Internet.

I'm going to have to call bluff because I don't believe I've even brought up my beliefs for the most part.

You can glean some kind of impression of your beliefs from your posts. For instance, you are a Buddhist, which is evident from your signature, a Transhumanist and are opposed, I gather at least, to Confucianism and Taoism. Those are only three beliefs among others I could glean. You can correct me if I am wrong. Are you still a futurist, btw?

[Napkiraly]

Everyone likes to claim that a major cock-up overseen by a regime with their preferred political/socio-economic ideology wasn't a real example of it.

[The Founding Fatherland]

>"it wasn't REAL communism!"

And honestly I've heard the whole "It wasn't true Capitalism it was Crony Capitalism" from liberals WAY more than I've heard "It wasn't real Communism" from Socialists.

I'm not a socialist. If anything, I'm against socialism.

I am also against the misuse of words, however.

[The Founding Fatherland]

Everyone likes to claim that a major cock-up overseen by a regime with their preferred political/socio-economic ideology wasn't a real example of it.

It's not about that, it's about the proper fucking usage of words.

Not everything that's red is communist.

[Proctopeo]

>"it wasn't REAL communism!"

And honestly I've heard the whole "It wasn't true Capitalism it was Crony Capitalism" from liberals WAY more than I've heard "It wasn't real Communism" from Socialists.

I've rarely ever heard the former.

[Napkiraly]

Everyone likes to claim that a major cock-up overseen by a regime with their preferred political/socio-economic ideology wasn't a real example of it.

It's not about that, it's about the proper fucking usage of words.

Not everything that's red is communist.

It was a general statement. You need learn to calm down, friendo.

[The Founding Fatherland]

It's not about that, it's about the proper fucking usage of words.

Not everything that's red is communist.

It was a general statement. You need learn to calm down, friendo.

My apologies, I mistook the intent of the statement.

I do agree with it, however.

[War Gears]

I know what the Paris Commune is.

Just because it influence communism doesn't make it communist. It was technically a state. A fake state, but still a state.

It wasn't ideologically Communist, but it was basically the society that Communists wanted to make, this was spelled out quite vocally by Marx and Engels. When they speak of "state," they mean an entity for class rule, a "class dictatorship." so a Communist society would essentially be stateless according to their definition because there are no classes to dominate one another, while basically having all the components of a state and being able to administrate.

And honestly I've heard the whole "It wasn't true Capitalism it was Crony Capitalism" from liberals WAY more than I've heard "It wasn't real Communism" from Socialists.

I'm not a socialist. If anything, I'm against socialism.

I am also against the misuse of words, however.

I miss before Fascists sold out to capitalism, when they were socialists.

[The Founding Fatherland]

I know what the Paris Commune is.

Just because it influence communism doesn't make it communist. It was technically a state. A fake state, but still a state.

It wasn't ideologically Communist, but it was basically the society that Communists wanted to make, this was spelled out quite vocally by Marx and Engels. When they speak of "state," they mean an entity for class rule, a "class dictatorship." so a Communist society would essentially be stateless according to their definition because there are no classes to dominate one another, while basically having all the components of a state and being able to administrate.

I'm not a socialist. If anything, I'm against socialism.

I am also against the misuse of words, however.

I miss before Fascists sold out to capitalism, when they were socialists.

Except class has no bearing on the state, and thus they aren't against the idea of a state which shows an inconsistency in their own ideology. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised a utopian ideology is inconsistent.

Not taking that bait, either.

[War Gears]

Except class has no bearing on the state, and thus they aren't against the idea of a state which shows an inconsistency in their own ideology.

I'm not agreeing with Marx or his definition of words. I'm just trying to establish what he meant, for the purpose of clarity.