Roy Moore / Alabama Special Senate Election Megathread

[Corrian]

This Doug Jones ad though.

[Corrian]

Roy Moore’s Wife Kayla Pictured In Same Yearbook As Accuser

Mind you, the "dance recital" he met his wife at, according to HIS OWN TIME FRAME, she would have been 15.

[Senkaku]

Roy Moore’s Wife Kayla Pictured In Same Yearbook As Accuser

Mind you, the "dance recital" he met his wife at, according to HIS OWN TIME FRAME, she would have been 15.

Did he meet her or just see her? Whatever I read a while ago had some ambiguity...

[Petrasylvania]

Roy Moore’s Wife Kayla Pictured In Same Yearbook As Accuser

Mind you, the "dance recital" he met his wife at, according to HIS OWN TIME FRAME, she would have been 15.

Did he meet her or just see her? Whatever I read a while ago had some ambiguity...

Roy Moore? Wouldn't be a surprise if he met her.

[Cosmopoles]

Roy Moore’s Wife Kayla Pictured In Same Yearbook As Accuser

Mind you, the "dance recital" he met his wife at, according to HIS OWN TIME FRAME, she would have been 15.

Did he meet her or just see her? Whatever I read a while ago had some ambiguity...

Whatever happened there, is it normal for childless 30 year old men to attend schoolkids dance recitals?

[Seangoli]

While the HuffPo isn't the most balanced source, they do actually quote a former police officer who is essentially on-record, which lends some credence to his claims:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ro ... f8e932c45f

The rumor mill was that he liked young girls, and ... we were advised that he was being suspended from the mall because he would hang around the young girls that worked in the stores and ... really got into a place of where they say he was harassing

The plot thickens.

[Seangoli]

As far as possible. It's not achievable 100% but it would be nice if we weren't constantly discovering just how big their feet of clay really are.

And the president should be the embodiment of what everyone aspires to be.

I think both of these views are naive. Politicians are corrupt. Period. They should be under constant suspicion, simply by virtue of being government officials. They are not good people, they are at best well checked necessary scum, and at worst monsters.

I feel you miss the point; when someone says that Politicians should be above suspicion, they are not saying that they actually are above suspicion. Rather, we should expect our politicians to remain out of shit that is suspicioius.

It's the general concept of why judges recuse themselves from cases where a conflicts of interest might be involved

[Telconi]

Roy Moore’s Wife Kayla Pictured In Same Yearbook As Accuser

Mind you, the "dance recital" he met his wife at, according to HIS OWN TIME FRAME, she would have been 15.

Mrs. Telconi was twelve when I first met her.

[Telconi]

I think both of these views are naive. Politicians are corrupt. Period. They should be under constant suspicion, simply by virtue of being government officials. They are not good people, they are at best well checked necessary scum, and at worst monsters.

I feel you miss the point; when someone says that Politicians should be above suspicion, they are not saying that they actually are above suspicion. Rather, we should expect our politicians to remain out of shit that is suspicioius.

It's the general concept of why judges recuse themselves from cases where a conflicts of interest might be involved

I think you're missing my point. A politician is incapable of staying out of "shit that is suspicious".

[Senkaku]

Roy Moore’s Wife Kayla Pictured In Same Yearbook As Accuser

Mind you, the "dance recital" he met his wife at, according to HIS OWN TIME FRAME, she would have been 15.

Mrs. Telconi was twelve when I first met her.

And I'm guessing you weren't a 30something professional at the time.

Did he meet her or just see her? Whatever I read a while ago had some ambiguity...

Whatever happened there, is it normal for childless 30 year old men to attend schoolkids dance recitals?

Blech.

[Telconi]

Mrs. Telconi was twelve when I first met her.

And I'm guessing you weren't a 30something professional at the time.

Whatever happened there, is it normal for childless 30 year old men to attend schoolkids dance recitals?

Blech.

I wasn't "thirty something" but I was in a position of authority over her. She was a student, I was a TA.

[Senkaku]

I feel you miss the point; when someone says that Politicians should be above suspicion, they are not saying that they actually are above suspicion. Rather, we should expect our politicians to remain out of shit that is suspicioius.

It's the general concept of why judges recuse themselves from cases where a conflicts of interest might be involved

I think you're missing my point. A politician is incapable of staying out of "shit that is suspicious".

Manifestly untrue, especially since you were generalizing about all government officials ("simply by virtue of being gov't. officials") and literally saying all politicians/officials are scum or monsters. There are plenty of upstanding politicians and officials who are committed to public service. This makes about as much sense as saying "some black people commit crimes, so all should be constantly under suspicion."

[Telconi]

I think you're missing my point. A politician is incapable of staying out of "shit that is suspicious".

Manifestly untrue, especially since you were generalizing about all government officials ("simply by virtue of being gov't. officials") and literally saying all politicians/officials are scum or monsters. There are plenty of upstanding politicians and officials who are committed to public service. This makes about as much sense as saying "some black people commit crimes, so all should be constantly under suspicion."

Bad analogy, criminality is not caused by being black.

[Senkaku]

And I'm guessing you weren't a 30something professional at the time.


Blech.

I wasn't "thirty something" but I was in a position of authority over her. She was a student, I was a TA.

Well, that's a bit different than lurking around events you have no other reason to be at. And I'm guessing that the love bit came a bit later and your concern at the time was teaching her, not grooming her.

No one's saying relationships with age gaps can't work, but I think Roy Moore is a bit different lol

[Senkaku]

Manifestly untrue, especially since you were generalizing about all government officials ("simply by virtue of being gov't. officials") and literally saying all politicians/officials are scum or monsters. There are plenty of upstanding politicians and officials who are committed to public service. This makes about as much sense as saying "some black people commit crimes, so all should be constantly under suspicion."

Bad analogy, criminality is not caused by being black.

Good analogy. Criminality isn't caused by holding a government office either. That's why I used the analogy.

[Telconi]

I wasn't "thirty something" but I was in a position of authority over her. She was a student, I was a TA.

Well, that's a bit different than lurking around events you have no other reason to be at. And I'm guessing that the love bit came a bit later and your concern at the time was teaching her, not grooming her.

No one's saying relationships with age gaps can't work, but I think Roy Moore is a bit different lol

Yeah, about eight year's later actually

I'm not saying Moore is necessarily innocent, but meeting a future love interest as a child in passing is hardly unusual IMO.

[Telconi]

Bad analogy, criminality is not caused by being black.

Good analogy. Criminality isn't caused by holding a government office either. That's why I used the analogy.

Being a corrupt government official is the inevitable outcome of being a government official.

[Senkaku]

Well, that's a bit different than lurking around events you have no other reason to be at. And I'm guessing that the love bit came a bit later and your concern at the time was teaching her, not grooming her.

No one's saying relationships with age gaps can't work, but I think Roy Moore is a bit different lol

Yeah, about eight year's later actually

I'm not saying Moore is necessarily innocent, but meeting a future love interest as a child in passing is hardly unusual IMO.

Sure, but you met her in the context of, you know, actually teaching her. Roy Moore lurking at events trying to pick up teen girls and happening to see his future wife at one such event doesn't strike me as being at all innocuous in the way your story would be.

Good analogy. Criminality isn't caused by holding a government office either. That's why I used the analogy.

Being a corrupt government official is the inevitable outcome of being a government official.

Oh, for fuck's sakes, no it isn't. There are millions of honest people out there doing important official work who are law-abiding, morally upright people who care about their communities and want to serve their country. This is such bullshit.

[Telconi]

Yeah, about eight year's later actually

I'm not saying Moore is necessarily innocent, but meeting a future love interest as a child in passing is hardly unusual IMO.

Sure, but you met her in the context of, you know, actually teaching her. Roy Moore lurking at events trying to pick up teen girls and happening to see his future wife at one such event doesn't strike me as being at all innocuous in the way your story would be.

Being a corrupt government official is the inevitable outcome of being a government official.

Oh, for fuck's sakes, no it isn't. There are millions of honest people out there doing important official work who are law-abiding, morally upright people who care about their communities and want to serve their country. This is such bullshit.

I'm unable to think of a single one. I'm sure you can offer me at least one example out of these millions, but I'd rather not derail the thread further.

On the subject of Moore: Can you be sure he was 'lurking' or is that an assumption based upon a character judgement? Because nothing I have seen says one way or the other if he had a 'legitimate' reason for being there.

[Senkaku]

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I'm unable to think of a single one. I'm sure you can offer me at least one example out of these millions, but I'd rather not derail the thread further.

My aunt works for the Department of Licensing in Chicago, family friend used to be on the Seattle school board, grandmother was on town council before she moved out west, et cetera- and that's just people I know personally, to say nothing of the members of Congress or state legislators across the country who have spotless records and work tirelessly for their communities.

I know you want to be all edgy and disillusioned and anti-elite, but this comes off as nothing but crude and disrespectful. Just because you hate the government doesn't mean every single person who works for it is corrupt. That's ridiculous (even if you're just looking at it from a statistical perspective).

Furthermore, seeing as the US is 18 out of 176 on the CPI as of 2016, I think we're in solid shape.

On the subject of Moore: Can you be sure he was 'lurking' or is that an assumption based upon a character judgement? Because nothing I have seen says one way or the other if he had a 'legitimate' reason for being there.

30 year old childless unmarried DA with a penchant for hanging out at malls and football games to pick up high school girls (in both cases, where security or police were aware of his creepiness) meets future wife (then age 15) at a high school dance recital? Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say I don't think he had a reason to be there besides picking up high school girls.

[Corrian]

He was also at YMCA's.

[Vassenor]

Right thread this time.

WaPo: Roy Moore campaign refuses to substantiate claims about accuser

To wit:

The Post requested documentation to support DuPré’s description of another address on Tuesday, and a spokeswoman for the Moore campaign said she would try to respond. On Wednesday morning, after another request for the information, Brett Doster, a strategist for the Moore campaign, sent an email to The Post.

“The Washington Post is a worthless piece of crap that has gone out of its way to railroad Roy Moore,” Doster wrote in an email he described as an “on the record” statement. “There is no need for anyone at the Washington Post to ever reach out to the Roy Moore campaign again because we will not respond to anyone from the Post now or in the future. Happy Thanksgiving.”

...Well that's just childish.

[Herador]

Right thread this time.

WaPo: Roy Moore campaign refuses to substantiate claims about accuser

To wit:

The Post requested documentation to support DuPré’s description of another address on Tuesday, and a spokeswoman for the Moore campaign said she would try to respond. On Wednesday morning, after another request for the information, Brett Doster, a strategist for the Moore campaign, sent an email to The Post.

“The Washington Post is a worthless piece of crap that has gone out of its way to railroad Roy Moore,” Doster wrote in an email he described as an “on the record” statement. “There is no need for anyone at the Washington Post to ever reach out to the Roy Moore campaign again because we will not respond to anyone from the Post now or in the future. Happy Thanksgiving.”

...Well that's just childish.

Pissing off the news doesn't seem to be working for these people, and yet they keep doing it. I'm baffled at how regularly these career politicians and political aids fail to grasp basic PR shit.

[Petrasylvania]

Right thread this time.

WaPo: Roy Moore campaign refuses to substantiate claims about accuser

To wit:



...Well that's just childish.

Pissing off the news doesn't seem to be working for these people, and yet they keep doing it. I'm baffled at how regularly these career politicians and political aids fail to grasp basic PR shit.

Trump didn't give a shit about the women accusing him and called the press The Enemy and he won. Moore's campaign is hoping it works for him too.

[Outer Sparta]

Pissing off the news doesn't seem to be working for these people, and yet they keep doing it. I'm baffled at how regularly these career politicians and political aids fail to grasp basic PR shit.

Trump didn't give a shit about the women accusing him and called the press The Enemy and he won. Moore's campaign is hoping it works for him too.

If Trump officially endorses Roy Moore, that will be very detrimental to Moore.