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Postby Jerzylvania » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:35 pm

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The vessel of the Son of Man is definitely better than a Democrat.

What does David Berkowitz have to do with this?

He also has a chatty dog. No?
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:36 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:What does David Berkowitz have to do with this?

He also has a chatty dog. No?

A chatty ... oh, wait, he said "the Son of Man" not "the Son of Sam." Never mind.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:39 pm

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Jerzylvania wrote:He also has a chatty dog. No?

A chatty ... oh, wait, he said "the Son of Man" not "the Son of Sam." Never mind.


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Farnhamia wrote:
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What is this? I don't even... Sweet lord whatisgoingonhere????

You wouldn't want him dallying with ... uhm ... you know, soiled doves, now would you?

This just in: Trump defends Moore! Why? I hear you cry. Because Judge Moore said he didn't do it. What more do you want?

Mmm, Trump no doubt understands Moore's predicament well. He's forever denying things and nobody believes him either.

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Oh good grief. That's the worst excuse I've ever heard.

... actually no, no it isn't. But it's pretty bad!

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Corrian wrote:But Mary and Joseph!

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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:04 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:You wouldn't want him dallying with ... uhm ... you know, soiled doves, now would you?

This just in: Trump defends Moore! Why? I hear you cry. Because Judge Moore said he didn't do it. What more do you want?

Mmm, Trump no doubt understands Moore's predicament well. He's forever denying things and nobody believes him either.

Dont worry this country would never elect someone accused of sexual assault to high office.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:09 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Mmm, Trump no doubt understands Moore's predicament well. He's forever denying things and nobody believes him either.

Dont worry this country would never elect someone accused of sexual assault to high office.

We need a laugh/cry hybrid emoji for this stuff.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:10 pm

Liriena wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Dont worry this country would never elect someone accused of sexual assault to high office.

We need a laugh/cry hybrid emoji for this stuff.

I am not saying there is no hope but there is no hope.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:13 pm

Liriena wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Dont worry this country would never elect someone accused of sexual assault to high office.

We need a laugh/cry hybrid emoji for this stuff.

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Postby Dahon » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:17 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:You wouldn't want him dallying with ... uhm ... you know, soiled doves, now would you?

This just in: Trump defends Moore! Why? I hear you cry. Because Judge Moore said he didn't do it. What more do you want?

Mmm, Trump no doubt understands Moore's predicament well. He's forever denying things and nobody believes him either.


No one but his base, which is kind of important.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:59 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't want him dallying with anyone!

Now, now, boys will be boys (even when they're in their thirties). Besides, I thought he didn't do anything without checking with the girls' mothers. That makes it okay, doesn't it?


Uh, no...
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Now, now, boys will be boys (even when they're in their thirties). Besides, I thought he didn't do anything without checking with the girls' mothers. That makes it okay, doesn't it?


Uh, no...

That's what I keep hearing. I do agree with you that Moore is not quite the calibre of person we want in the Senate. Daniel Webster, where are you when we need you?
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Postby Telconi » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:04 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Uh, no...

That's what I keep hearing. I do agree with you that Moore is not quite the calibre of person we want in the Senate. Daniel Webster, where are you when we need you?


I think there's a really big gulf of behavior that falls between "okay" and "categorically disqualifying to hold government office." Plenty of senators and other government officials do things that aren't "okay" But IMO there are relatively few things that categorically disqualify someone from holding office.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:17 pm

Telconi wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That's what I keep hearing. I do agree with you that Moore is not quite the calibre of person we want in the Senate. Daniel Webster, where are you when we need you?


I think there's a really big gulf of behavior that falls between "okay" and "categorically disqualifying to hold government office." Plenty of senators and other government officials do things that aren't "okay" But IMO there are relatively few things that categorically disqualify someone from holding office.

Yes, but you know, it's the Caesar's Wife principle. Caesar had been elected Pontifex Maximus and his wife Pompeia hosted the Bona Dea celebrations, a very sacred ritual for women only. Publius Clodius Pulcher, one of history's bigger assholes, dressed up in drag and crashed the celebration. There was a huge scandal. Poor Pompeia, who had not been anything but a victim of Clodius, found herself divorced by Caesar despite her innocence on the principle that Caesar's wife should be above suspicion. The same thing should apply to our elected officials.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:21 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I think there's a really big gulf of behavior that falls between "okay" and "categorically disqualifying to hold government office." Plenty of senators and other government officials do things that aren't "okay" But IMO there are relatively few things that categorically disqualify someone from holding office.

Yes, but you know, it's the Caesar's Wife principle. Caesar had been elected Pontifex Maximus and his wife Pompeia hosted the Bona Dea celebrations, a very sacred ritual for women only. Publius Clodius Pulcher, one of history's bigger assholes, dressed up in drag and crashed the celebration. There was a huge scandal. Poor Pompeia, who had not been anything but a victim of Clodius, found herself divorced by Caesar despite her innocence on the principle that Caesar's wife should be above suspicion. The same thing should apply to our elected officials.


Elected officials should be above suspicion?
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Yes, but you know, it's the Caesar's Wife principle. Caesar had been elected Pontifex Maximus and his wife Pompeia hosted the Bona Dea celebrations, a very sacred ritual for women only. Publius Clodius Pulcher, one of history's bigger assholes, dressed up in drag and crashed the celebration. There was a huge scandal. Poor Pompeia, who had not been anything but a victim of Clodius, found herself divorced by Caesar despite her innocence on the principle that Caesar's wife should be above suspicion. The same thing should apply to our elected officials.


Elected officials should be above suspicion?

As far as possible. It's not achievable 100% but it would be nice if we weren't constantly discovering just how big their feet of clay really are.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Yes, but you know, it's the Caesar's Wife principle. Caesar had been elected Pontifex Maximus and his wife Pompeia hosted the Bona Dea celebrations, a very sacred ritual for women only. Publius Clodius Pulcher, one of history's bigger assholes, dressed up in drag and crashed the celebration. There was a huge scandal. Poor Pompeia, who had not been anything but a victim of Clodius, found herself divorced by Caesar despite her innocence on the principle that Caesar's wife should be above suspicion. The same thing should apply to our elected officials.


Elected officials should be above suspicion?


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Postby Telconi » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:25 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Elected officials should be above suspicion?

As far as possible. It's not achievable 100% but it would be nice if we weren't constantly discovering just how big their feet of clay really are.


The Alma Mater wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Elected officials should be above suspicion?


And the president should be the embodiment of what everyone aspires to be.


I think both of these views are naive. Politicians are corrupt. Period. They should be under constant suspicion, simply by virtue of being government officials. They are not good people, they are at best well checked necessary scum, and at worst monsters.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:28 pm

Telconi wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:As far as possible. It's not achievable 100% but it would be nice if we weren't constantly discovering just how big their feet of clay really are.


The Alma Mater wrote:
And the president should be the embodiment of what everyone aspires to be.


I think both of these views are naive. Politicians are corrupt. Period. They should be under constant suspicion, simply by virtue of being government officials. They are not good people, they are at best well checked necessary scum, and at worst monsters.


Aren't you a little young to be that negative?

Not all off them are that way.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:37 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:


I think both of these views are naive. Politicians are corrupt. Period. They should be under constant suspicion, simply by virtue of being government officials. They are not good people, they are at best well checked necessary scum, and at worst monsters.


Aren't you a little young to be that negative?

Not all off them are that way.


The truth has an age requirement?
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:38 pm

Telconi wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:As far as possible. It's not achievable 100% but it would be nice if we weren't constantly discovering just how big their feet of clay really are.


The Alma Mater wrote:
And the president should be the embodiment of what everyone aspires to be.


I think both of these views are naive. Politicians are corrupt. Period. They should be under constant suspicion, simply by virtue of being government officials. They are not good people, they are at best well checked necessary scum, and at worst monsters.

You'll forgive me, I hope, but that's just edgy horse hockeys. If all politicians and government officials were corrupt and scum, there would be no civilization. They are good people, the vast majority of them, doing jobs that need to be done. Sorry, but I'm not drinking the "all politicians suck" Kool-Aid.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:45 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Telconi wrote:


I think both of these views are naive. Politicians are corrupt. Period. They should be under constant suspicion, simply by virtue of being government officials. They are not good people, they are at best well checked necessary scum, and at worst monsters.

You'll forgive me, I hope, but that's just edgy horse hockeys. If all politicians and government officials were corrupt and scum, there would be no civilization. They are good people, the vast majority of them, doing jobs that need to be done. Sorry, but I'm not drinking the "all politicians suck" Kool-Aid.


Why would civilization end if government officials were scummy?
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:53 pm

Telconi wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:You'll forgive me, I hope, but that's just edgy horse hockeys. If all politicians and government officials were corrupt and scum, there would be no civilization. They are good people, the vast majority of them, doing jobs that need to be done. Sorry, but I'm not drinking the "all politicians suck" Kool-Aid.


Why would civilization end if government officials were scummy?

Because if they were really all evil and just in it for themselves, massive corruption would render the state completely inoperable and cause societal collapse. Society does, in fact, need people at the wheel making policy and all that.

Most government officials are perfectly fine people who are just trying to make a living or help their country or a cause. Some are shitty, it's true, but in the US at least, they're no better or worse than ordinary people.
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