Zimbabwe: Mugabe's Fall & Its Aftermath

[Saiwania]

I don't see any path for Mugabe to regain control. Rumor is that he's taking the loss of his regime pretty hard. He is in mourning.

[Greed and Death]

Eh no. He's no Mandela. He's to quote Bishop Desmond Tutu "a cartoonish example of an African dictator". The people of Zimbabwe seem to agree as they want actual elections and democracy and not Mugabe

I would not agree. Mugabe forced Smith and white racist to sign the Lancaster House Agreement which enabled universal sufrage in whole Zimbabwe. The new election were made according one mane, one vote and so Smith and his party lost power. The same thing but with different methods had Mandela done. In both cases the white ruler were forced to give up their power and privelege in favor of opressed Black people.

You Know until the mid-2000s Mugabe was actually praised by human Rights activist. Why did they suddenly stop?

Well the UK stopped funding land buy backs so Mugabe started paying pennies on the value of the land and allowed unemployed civil war veterans and teenagers to take the land by force from white farmers.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

Eh no. He's no Mandela. He's to quote Bishop Desmond Tutu "a cartoonish example of an African dictator". The people of Zimbabwe seem to agree as they want actual elections and democracy and not Mugabe

I would not agree. Mugabe forced Smith and white racist to sign the Lancaster House Agreement which enabled universal sufrage in whole Zimbabwe. The new election were made according one mane, one vote and so Smith and his party lost power. The same thing but with different methods had Mandela done. In both cases the white ruler were forced to give up their power and privelege in favor of opressed Black people.

You Know until the mid-2000s Mugabe was actually praised by human Rights activist. Why did they suddenly stop?

Same reason they stopped praising Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot he became a horrifying and monstrous embarrassment.

The problem with "human rights activists" is that their preferred policies just do not result in their preferred outcomes. The whole movement is becoming an increasingly dishonest charade.

[Herador]

Souce for the quotes.

I think he believes whites are there artifically implanted and unjustly settled. That is different than considering them inferior,

Do we have a word for Tankies, but supporting horrible African Dictators instead?

[Rhodesia]

-Rhodesians Never Die-

Seeing your nation post on this thread, kind of made my day

If ever there was a thread for me to post to...

[MERIZoC]

Why would you talk about something unrelated to the original point?

Because I do what I fucking want? But I’ll bite... Zim is a shitty place to go because you can literally get thrown to jail for saying the wrong things and more so if you’re white considering the countries hatred towards whites. Also...I sense a coup brewing. Get a fucking grip already!

Wow seems like you're on top of things.

Do you reckon Trump might get elected?

[Internationalist Bastard]

$20 bucks says new dictatorship

[Chernoslavia]

Because I do what I fucking want? But I’ll bite... Zim is a shitty place to go because you can literally get thrown to jail for saying the wrong things and more so if you’re white considering the countries hatred towards whites. Also...I sense a coup brewing. Get a fucking grip already!

Wow seems like you're on top of things.

Do you reckon Trump might get elected?

A whole lot more than you. And I meant a repeated coup or a large scale civil war, guess I shouldve made that more clear...

[Chernoslavia]

$20 bucks says new dictatorship

No shit

[Cabana]

South Africa had blacks serving in their military too, doesn't mean they weren't racist.

Last I checked, Rhodesia wasn't a literal apartheid state run by an openly racist party that, for the better part of 30 years, didn't even want other white people that weren't a part of their particular ethnic group immigrating to their country.

It was though?

[Krasny-Volny]

I actually can't blame a lot of Zimbabweans for being moderately anti-White, I would be to if I lived under a racist apartheid based colonial power.

There are several fallacies with this statement.

Zimbabwe has one of the lowest life expectancies in the world. This is due to a combination of factors, namely abject poverty and the implosion of the healthcare system due to funding shortages. Very few Zimbabweans around today are old enough that they can remember living under white Rhodesia.

Members of the ruling elite like Mugabe are the exception to the rule, because they are in the extreme minority of Zimbabweans who can afford private doctors and costly pharmaceuticals if necessary.

Incidentally, I've never met a black Zimbabwean who was even moderately racist. Sure racists of all colours exist in every country, but I hardly think that it's fair to suggest "a lot of" them feel this way towards whites.

[MERIZoC]

Wow seems like you're on top of things.

Do you reckon Trump might get elected?

A whole lot more than you. And I meant a repeated coup or a large scale civil war, guess I shouldve made that more clear...

the Africa Expert has logged on

[Thermodolia]

Last I checked, Rhodesia wasn't a literal apartheid state run by an openly racist party that, for the better part of 30 years, didn't even want other white people that weren't a part of their particular ethnic group immigrating to their country.

It was though?

Using Reddit as a source? Are you serious?

[Vyzhva]

It was though?

Using Reddit as a source? Are you serious?

hoho

it's in /r/AskHistorians/ so it must be true. :^)

[Vassenor]

Perhaps you should explain how it is false rather than just insisting that it is.

[Chernoslavia]

A whole lot more than you. And I meant a repeated coup or a large scale civil war, guess I shouldve made that more clear...

the Africa Expert has logged on

And so has Mugabe’s sympathizer. And seeing as how I’ve actually studied many conflicts in Africa, the factions, their logistics, their political situation. And the fact that I have been to the continent myself in those hotzones. Yeah...I guess you could call me that, it’d be the first thing you’ve gotten right all day.

[Thermodolia]

Perhaps you should explain how it is false rather than just insisting that it is.

Who are you talking too?

[Krasny-Volny]

the Africa Expert has logged on

And so has Mugabe’s sympathizer. And seeing as how I’ve actually studied many conflicts in Africa, the factions, their logistics, their political situation. And the fact that I have been to the continent myself in those hotzones. Yeah...I guess you could call me that, it’d be the first thing you’ve gotten right all day.

What a coincidence! So have I (albeit in a strictly humanitarian capacity). Some of the organizations I've worked for in the past have handled conflict management.

Which of those hotzones you mention have you been to?

[MERIZoC]

the Africa Expert has logged on

And so has Mugabe’s sympathizer. And seeing as how I’ve actually studied many conflicts in Africa, the factions, their logistics, their political situation. And the fact that I have been to the continent myself in those hotzones. Yeah...I guess you could call me that, it’d be the first thing you’ve gotten right all day.

I would love to see the basis for the prediction of "large scale civil war".

[Irona]

And so has Mugabe’s sympathizer. And seeing as how I’ve actually studied many conflicts in Africa, the factions, their logistics, their political situation. And the fact that I have been to the continent myself in those hotzones. Yeah...I guess you could call me that, it’d be the first thing you’ve gotten right all day.

I would love to see the basis for the prediction of "large scale civil war".

It seems like most people support the 'not coup'. I honestly can't see who is going to be fighting on Mugabe's side in this 'new civil war'

[Kubra]

And so has Mugabe’s sympathizer. And seeing as how I’ve actually studied many conflicts in Africa, the factions, their logistics, their political situation. And the fact that I have been to the continent myself in those hotzones. Yeah...I guess you could call me that, it’d be the first thing you’ve gotten right all day.

What a coincidence! So have I (albeit in a strictly humanitarian capacity). Some of the organizations I've worked for in the past have handled conflict management.

Which of those hotzones you mention have you been to?

Myself, I used to be a soldier of fortune, and provided technical support and training for angolan army during the second congo war, and of course came into contact with zimbabwean officials regularly. I may have encouraged that merc yugoslav pilot that crashed into a military parade to a drinking contest of the local rotgut. Bad idea, that.

In short, cmon guys, let's stop internet credentialling, we'll get nowhere.

[Valrifell]

$20 bucks says new dictatorship

Alright, I'm going the hail-mary and putting $100 down on a stable democratic state forming.

[Karjin]

Recolonization when?
/s

In all seriousness, I hope Mugabe and his wife both get kicked out, or at the very least tried for crimes against humanity. The people of Rhodesia Zimbabwe deserve better. Not an expert on The Zimbabwean people by any means but I should hope they wisened up now to not plunge headlong into false promises, and consider real, fair, democratic competition and candidates.

I’m also hoping for a resurrection of Rhodesia sans government apartheid

[Heloin]

$20 bucks says new dictatorship

Alright, I'm going the hail-mary and putting $100 down on a stable democratic state forming.

I really wan't that to be true. I'd bet against you because I understand odds and the nature of these sort of things, but I won't be upset if I'm wrong.

[Minoa]

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-42071488

Mugabe has appeared to change his mind to resigning rather than being impeached.