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What is your favorite conservative political party?

Poll ended at Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:42 pm

Liberal Party of Australia
1
5%
Democrats (Brazil)
0
No votes
Kuomintang (Taiwan)
7
35%
Republicans (France)
3
15%
Christian Democrat Union (Germany)
3
15%
Liberal Democratic Party (Japan)
2
10%
Liberty Korea Party (South Korea)
1
5%
People's Party (Spain)
0
No votes
Conservative and Unionist Party (United Kingdom)
2
10%
Independent Democratic Union (Chile)
1
5%
 
Total votes : 20

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Kamchastkia
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Postby Kamchastkia » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:41 pm

The State of the GOP is BAD.

-Thread ended, GOP ended, life continues.

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:44 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:The State of the GOP is BAD.

-Thread ended, GOP ended, life continues.

That would be rather anticlimactic.
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Kamchastkia
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Postby Kamchastkia » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:45 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:The State of the GOP is BAD.

-Thread ended, GOP ended, life continues.

That would be rather anticlimactic.

It's the proper way forward.

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Zurkerx
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Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:13 am

Telconi wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Tax cuts + keeping current loopholes + not offering any tax relief for the working class, coupled with nowhere near enough cuts in spending = fiscal responsibility apparently.

I knew the GOP didn't believe in climate change, but I figured they at least believed in basic fucking accounting.


Deficit spending is the economics of today, on both sides.


Tis true on both accounts.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:39 am

Kamchastkia wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:That would be rather anticlimactic.

It's the proper way forward.

I dread what might come in its place.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:41 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:It's the proper way forward.

I dread what might come in its place.


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Sovaal
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:17 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:It's the proper way forward.

I dread what might come in its place.

Another bullshit party, the cycle of political bullshit continues.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:55 am

Sovaal wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I dread what might come in its place.

Another bullshit party, the cycle of political bullshit continues.


Either the Republicans are replaced with a more moderate group or a radical proto-fascist party.

There is no inbetween if they collapsed today.
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Sovaal
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:58 am

Valrifell wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Another bullshit party, the cycle of political bullshit continues.


Either the Republicans are replaced with a more moderate group or a radical proto-fascist party.

There is no inbetween if they collapsed today.

Or both parties form.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that's what would happen tbh.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Free Missouri
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Postby Free Missouri » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:07 am

Yami-Chan wrote:
Keldros wrote:
1980: Cheap labor is good for the economy.
2000: America is a nation of immigrants.
2017: LOL white people ur all gonna disappear

Whites dying off is a good thing. Whites have stolen and enslaved all people and taken what wasn't theirs as their own inventions. Those freeloading bums deserve to disappear


So if we could somehow get people to outbreed muslims and africans out of the world that would be a good thing too?

Considering They are the only group still enslaving people on a pre-industrial level?
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Free Missouri
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Postby Free Missouri » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:11 am

Kamchastkia wrote:The State of the GOP is BAD.

-Thread ended, GOP ended, life continues.


Hopefully we can kill that far-leftist party with a donkey with us.

Corrian wrote:So the RNC put support back behind Roy Moore, a credibly accused child molester.

It's like the Republicans are trying to lose any semblance of credibility that they have. And I was trying to have the party prove me wrong that they're anything but completely lost as a party right now.


I mean, Ted Kennedy left a woman to die after drunk-driving off a bridge. Bill Clinton has several credible accusations against him. No one's tried to remove Franken, and members of the senate actually testified in favor of Menedez during his ongoing trial for corruption.

It shouldn't surprise you that when one party gives their members the BOTD the other party is going to do the same if the balance of a legislative house is at risk.
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Nulla Bellum
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:19 am

Valrifell wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Another bullshit party, the cycle of political bullshit continues.


Either the Republicans are replaced with a more moderate group or a radical proto-fascist party.

There is no inbetween if they collapsed today.


Frank Meyer fusionism 2.0
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:20 am

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Either the Republicans are replaced with a more moderate group or a radical proto-fascist party.

There is no inbetween if they collapsed today.


Frank Meyer fusionism 2.0

Good sir, you have read my mind.
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Free Missouri
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Postby Free Missouri » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:23 am

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Either the Republicans are replaced with a more moderate group or a radical proto-fascist party.

There is no inbetween if they collapsed today.


Frank Meyer fusionism 2.0



Why not a good ol' Chesterbellocian distributist movement out of the Christian Right?
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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:55 am

Valrifell wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Another bullshit party, the cycle of political bullshit continues.


Either the Republicans are replaced with a more moderate group or a radical proto-fascist party.

There is no inbetween if they collapsed today.

We need five parties.

The Liberal Party (Obama, Clinton, Biden types)
The Conservative Party (Bush, Kasich, Rubio types)
The Progressive Party (Sanders, Warren types)
The America First Party (Trump, Huckabee types)
The Tea Party (Cruz, Paul types)

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Free Missouri
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Postby Free Missouri » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:08 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Either the Republicans are replaced with a more moderate group or a radical proto-fascist party.

There is no inbetween if they collapsed today.

We need five parties.

The Liberal Party (Obama, Clinton, Biden types)
The Conservative Party (Bush, Kasich, Rubio types)
The Progressive Party (Sanders, Warren types)
The America First Party (Trump, Huckabee types)
The Tea Party (Cruz, Paul types)


There's no good place for Chesterbellocian Lewisite Tolkienist Inkling Distributists in those five, though.
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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:09 pm

Free Missouri wrote:
Arlenton wrote:We need five parties.

The Liberal Party (Obama, Clinton, Biden types)
The Conservative Party (Bush, Kasich, Rubio types)
The Progressive Party (Sanders, Warren types)
The America First Party (Trump, Huckabee types)
The Tea Party (Cruz, Paul types)


There's no good place for Chesterbellocian Lewisite Tolkienist Inkling Distributists in those five, though.

I got lost on the first word.

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Taihei Tengoku
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:39 pm

The GOP will live forever because it is a tribal federation. So long as it federates many virtuous tribes it will last to oppose the warlock-using devils of the Blue Horde
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:18 pm

Free Missouri wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:
Frank Meyer fusionism 2.0



Why not a good ol' Chesterbellocian distributist movement out of the Christian Right?

That depends. Is it voluntary?
Taihei Tengoku wrote:The GOP will live forever because it is a tribal federation. So long as it federates many virtuous tribes it will last to oppose the warlock-using devils of the Blue Horde

We shall rise from the Grand Old Party to the Eternal Party.
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Nouveau Yathrib
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:23 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Either the Republicans are replaced with a more moderate group or a radical proto-fascist party.

There is no inbetween if they collapsed today.

We need five parties.

The Liberal Party (Obama, Clinton, Biden types)
The Conservative Party (Bush, Kasich, Rubio types)
The Progressive Party (Sanders, Warren types)
The America First Party (Trump, Huckabee types)
The Tea Party (Cruz, Paul types)


Where would the Libertarians and the Greens fit in your five-party system?
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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:02 pm

Nouveau Yathrib wrote:
Arlenton wrote:We need five parties.

The Liberal Party (Obama, Clinton, Biden types)
The Conservative Party (Bush, Kasich, Rubio types)
The Progressive Party (Sanders, Warren types)
The America First Party (Trump, Huckabee types)
The Tea Party (Cruz, Paul types)


Where would the Libertarians and the Greens fit in your five-party system?

Libertarians would probably be split between Conservatives, Tea, and AF, Greens would probs be mostly PP and some Liberals.
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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:05 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Either the Republicans are replaced with a more moderate group or a radical proto-fascist party.

There is no inbetween if they collapsed today.

We need five parties.

The Liberal Party (Obama, Clinton, Biden types)
The Conservative Party (Bush, Kasich, Rubio types)
The Progressive Party (Sanders, Warren types)
The America First Party (Trump, Huckabee types)
The Tea Party (Cruz, Paul types)

I like this, tbh, but I'm not sure I'd lump Paul in with Cruz. Paul is more about fiscal stuff, Cruz is all about Jesus. I'd throw Cruz, Pence, and Huckabee into a more evangelical religious-focused conservative party, and Trump and Paul and others into a more socially liberal conservative party (although tbh the rift between the libertarians like Paul and the Trump people who want to spend zillions on walls and military and whatnot might be big enough that that party would have to split).

This is a good start though.
agreed honey. send bees

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Nouveau Yathrib
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:23 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Nouveau Yathrib wrote:
Where would the Libertarians and the Greens fit in your five-party system?

Libertarians would probably be split between Conservatives, Tea, and AF, Greens would probs be mostly PP and some Liberals.


In terms of which party platforms would attract third party members, I would've actually split the Libertarians into Liberal, Conservative, and Tea Party and the Greens into Progressive, America First, and maybe Liberal.
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Zjaum
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Postby Zjaum » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:09 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Arlenton wrote:We need five parties.

The Liberal Party (Obama, Clinton, Biden types)
The Conservative Party (Bush, Kasich, Rubio types)
The Progressive Party (Sanders, Warren types)
The America First Party (Trump, Huckabee types)
The Tea Party (Cruz, Paul types)

I like this, tbh, but I'm not sure I'd lump Paul in with Cruz. Paul is more about fiscal stuff, Cruz is all about Jesus. I'd throw Cruz, Pence, and Huckabee into a more evangelical religious-focused conservative party, and Trump and Paul and others into a more socially liberal conservative party (although tbh the rift between the libertarians like Paul and the Trump people who want to spend zillions on walls and military and whatnot might be big enough that that party would have to split).

This is a good start though.

Trump and Paul? What the heck do they have in common, besides disestablishmentarianism?

Yeah, Libertarians would never go into America First. America First requires way too much authoritarianism to work "properly."

Taihei Tengoku wrote:The GOP will live forever because it is a tribal federation. So long as it federates many virtuous tribes it will last to oppose the warlock-using devils of the Blue Horde

While I agree with the "adapt or die" mentality, I don't know if that will endure forever in the GOP specifically. There may be a new party eventually that takes the place of the GOP.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:49 pm

Zjaum wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I like this, tbh, but I'm not sure I'd lump Paul in with Cruz. Paul is more about fiscal stuff, Cruz is all about Jesus. I'd throw Cruz, Pence, and Huckabee into a more evangelical religious-focused conservative party, and Trump and Paul and others into a more socially liberal conservative party (although tbh the rift between the libertarians like Paul and the Trump people who want to spend zillions on walls and military and whatnot might be big enough that that party would have to split).

This is a good start though.

Trump and Paul? What the heck do they have in common, besides disestablishmentarianism?

Yeah, Libertarians would never go into America First. America First requires way too much authoritarianism to work "properly."

Taihei Tengoku wrote:The GOP will live forever because it is a tribal federation. So long as it federates many virtuous tribes it will last to oppose the warlock-using devils of the Blue Horde

While I agree with the "adapt or die" mentality, I don't know if that will endure forever in the GOP specifically. There may be a new party eventually that takes the place of the GOP.

Im sorry to say i don't think thats accurate. Republicans fall in line like sheep and will crawl over broken glass to vote. Anyone with R next to their name will be voted for in some areas. Alabama on Tuesday will be a test of that.

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