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What is your favorite conservative political party?

Poll ended at Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:42 pm

Liberal Party of Australia
1
5%
Democrats (Brazil)
0
No votes
Kuomintang (Taiwan)
7
35%
Republicans (France)
3
15%
Christian Democrat Union (Germany)
3
15%
Liberal Democratic Party (Japan)
2
10%
Liberty Korea Party (South Korea)
1
5%
People's Party (Spain)
0
No votes
Conservative and Unionist Party (United Kingdom)
2
10%
Independent Democratic Union (Chile)
1
5%
 
Total votes : 20

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:07 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:And right wingers can't decide whether Nobody Listens To Clinton or if She Needs To Shut Up. If nobody listens to her anyways, why would she need to shut up?

Clearly her followers are named Nobody.
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:14 pm

McCain would've been a great President. Palin as VP... I'm not so sure about.

Too bad he didn't have much of a chance.

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Postby Saiwania » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:41 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:And right wingers can't decide whether Nobody Listens To Clinton or if She Needs To Shut Up. If nobody listens to her anyways, why would she need to shut up?


The answer is obvious to me, Clinton needs to step aside and shut up. She lost in 2016 for a reason and should be treated as a loser. Not someone who's still worth following. She blames everyone and everything but herself for her defeat.

Make way for the real progressive branch of the Democratic party. The "Clinton wing" is done, Done, DONE! Bunch of losers trying to maintain control, when going in a corporate direction isn't going to win in 2018 either. Going Populist Left is the effective counter to Donald Trump's faux populism. But the stupid DNC doesn't realize it. They think they can win with someone like Cory Booker or Mark Cuban.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:44 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:And right wingers can't decide whether Nobody Listens To Clinton or if She Needs To Shut Up. If nobody listens to her anyways, why would she need to shut up?


The answer is obvious to me, Clinton needs to step aside and shut up. She lost in 2016 for a reason and should be treated as a loser. Not someone who's still worth following. She blames everyone and everything but herself for her defeat.

Make way for the real progressive branch of the Democratic party. The "Clinton wing" is done, Done, DONE! Bunch of losers trying to maintain control, when going in a corporate direction isn't going to win in 2018 either. Going Populist Left is the effective counter to Donald Trump's faux populism. But the stupid DNC doesn't realize it. They think they can win with someone like Cory Booker or Mark Cuban.


Isn't Cuban a Republican?
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Postby Corrian » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:56 pm

*Goes to Republican thread*

*People are talking about the Democrats*
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Postby Telconi » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:56 pm

Corrian wrote:*Goes to Republican thread*

*People are talking about the Democrats*


That's okay, half the time I can't tell if the Democrat thread is the MAGA-thread or not.
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Postby Zjaum » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:25 pm

Telconi wrote:
Corrian wrote:*Goes to Republican thread*

*People are talking about the Democrats*


That's okay, half the time I can't tell if the Democrat thread is the MAGA-thread or not.

THANK YOU! When I see all these "ultra-conservatives" and "alt-righters," they all are unanimously heavyweight statists, with stuff like nationalized healthcare and all kinds of crap like that.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:32 pm

Zjaum wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's okay, half the time I can't tell if the Democrat thread is the MAGA-thread or not.

THANK YOU! When I see all these "ultra-conservatives" and "alt-righters," they all are unanimously heavyweight statists, with stuff like nationalized healthcare and all kinds of crap like that.

Eh? A good deal of them are ancaps who want to do away with the state in hopes of being wealthy warlords.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:33 pm

I have a feeling we're looking at a repeat of the 70's and 80's, a shit awful Republican president is universally hated followed by a one term far left leader who fucks up the economy and is generally negative on the US in speeches followed by 12 years of Republican presidency, which is pretty far right but seems moderate compared to the shit awful president..

History is doomed to repeat, first as tragedy then as farce..
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Lalaki
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Postby Lalaki » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:36 pm

Bombadil wrote:I have a feeling we're looking at a repeat of the 70's and 80's, a shit awful Republican president is universally hated followed by a one term far left leader who fucks up the economy and is generally negative on the US in speeches followed by 12 years of a Republican president who is pretty far right but seems moderate compared to the shit awful president..

History is doomed to repeat, first as tragedy then as farce..


These past few years have been eerily similar to the late 60's/early 70's. Economic recession, racial tensions, opposition to an expansionist foreign policy, a "culture wars" theme, etc. We even had a Republican President elected by pandering to the "silent majority."
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:37 pm

Bombadil wrote:I have a feeling we're looking at a repeat of the 70's and 80's, a shit awful Republican president is universally hated followed by a one term far left leader who fucks up the economy and is generally negative on the US in speeches followed by 12 years of Republican presidency, which is pretty far right but seems moderate compared to the shit awful president..

History is doomed to repeat, first as tragedy then as farce..

Nixon was at least a patriotic and competent crook, and Reagan's Alzheimer set in late in the second term.

Plus Trump is going to be the biggest example of Guilt By Association.
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If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:44 pm

Lalaki wrote:
Bombadil wrote:I have a feeling we're looking at a repeat of the 70's and 80's, a shit awful Republican president is universally hated followed by a one term far left leader who fucks up the economy and is generally negative on the US in speeches followed by 12 years of a Republican president who is pretty far right but seems moderate compared to the shit awful president..

History is doomed to repeat, first as tragedy then as farce..


These past few years have been eerily similar to the late 60's/early 70's. Economic recession, racial tensions, opposition to an expansionist foreign policy, a "culture wars" theme, etc. We even had a Republican President elected by pandering to the "silent majority."


A little bit.. though I still have moments of lucidity where I have the jolting shock of thinking 'seriously, how did America vote in Trump.. I mean I can imagine 30% but for him to win.. what.the.fuck'.. I mean technically every moment is like that but it's come to the point where I can go long stretches without thinking about it and then.. BOOM!

I mean.. given the times and the fact he played the electoral rules to a degree I can understand Nixon.. but Trump, mind blowing..

Still, Democrats should be real careful who they choose as presidential candidate next time, even if they win with a far left candidate it will destroy them for the following decade.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:48 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Lalaki wrote:
These past few years have been eerily similar to the late 60's/early 70's. Economic recession, racial tensions, opposition to an expansionist foreign policy, a "culture wars" theme, etc. We even had a Republican President elected by pandering to the "silent majority."


A little bit.. though I still have moments of lucidity where I have the jolting shock of thinking 'seriously, how did America vote in Trump.. I mean I can imagine 30% but for him to win.. what.the.fuck'.. I mean technically every moment is like that but it's come to the point where I can go long stretches without thinking about it and then.. BOOM!

I mean.. given the times and the fact he played the electoral rules to a degree I can understand Nixon.. but Trump, mind blowing..

Still, Democrats should be real careful who they choose as presidential candidate next time, even if they win with a far left candidate it will destroy them for the following decade.

Soo Bernie or a disciple will be the Next Jimmy Carter.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:50 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
A little bit.. though I still have moments of lucidity where I have the jolting shock of thinking 'seriously, how did America vote in Trump.. I mean I can imagine 30% but for him to win.. what.the.fuck'.. I mean technically every moment is like that but it's come to the point where I can go long stretches without thinking about it and then.. BOOM!

I mean.. given the times and the fact he played the electoral rules to a degree I can understand Nixon.. but Trump, mind blowing..

Still, Democrats should be real careful who they choose as presidential candidate next time, even if they win with a far left candidate it will destroy them for the following decade.

Soo Bernie or a disciple will be the Next Jimmy Carter.


Essentially yes, and I think Jimmy Carter is one of the most decent presidents the US has had.. it's just that it's easy fodder for a broadly conservative population to take down.
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Zjaum
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Postby Zjaum » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:01 am

Bombadil wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Soo Bernie or a disciple will be the Next Jimmy Carter.


Essentially yes, and I think Jimmy Carter is one of the most decent presidents the US has had.. it's just that it's easy fodder for a broadly conservative population to take down.

Jimmy Carter's economists were to blame for the poor handling of the economy, not Carter himself. Still, it is pretty fun.
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But seriously, aside from the population and GDP, just assume that my NS stats are roughly accurate.

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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:19 am

Bombadil wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Soo Bernie or a disciple will be the Next Jimmy Carter.


Essentially yes, and I think Jimmy Carter is one of the most decent presidents the US has had.. it's just that it's easy fodder for a broadly conservative population to take down.


Jimmy is a good man but that doesn't translate into good leadership or choices in economic advisers.

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Postby Arlenton » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:32 am

Bombadil wrote:I have a feeling we're looking at a repeat of the 70's and 80's, a shit awful Republican president is universally hated followed by a one term far left leader who fucks up the economy and is generally negative on the US in speeches followed by 12 years of Republican presidency, which is pretty far right but seems moderate compared to the shit awful president..

History is doomed to repeat, first as tragedy then as farce..

The future looks bright af if this is true.

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Postby Arlenton » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:35 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
The answer is obvious to me, Clinton needs to step aside and shut up. She lost in 2016 for a reason and should be treated as a loser. Not someone who's still worth following. She blames everyone and everything but herself for her defeat.

Make way for the real progressive branch of the Democratic party. The "Clinton wing" is done, Done, DONE! Bunch of losers trying to maintain control, when going in a corporate direction isn't going to win in 2018 either. Going Populist Left is the effective counter to Donald Trump's faux populism. But the stupid DNC doesn't realize it. They think they can win with someone like Cory Booker or Mark Cuban.


Isn't Cuban a Republican?

Yes. I hate how he's being considered a Democratic candidate.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:41 am

Petrasylvania wrote:And right wingers can't decide whether Nobody Listens To Clinton or if She Needs To Shut Up. If nobody listens to her anyways, why would she need to shut up?


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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:57 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Zjaum wrote:THANK YOU! When I see all these "ultra-conservatives" and "alt-righters," they all are unanimously heavyweight statists, with stuff like nationalized healthcare and all kinds of crap like that.

Eh? A good deal of them are ancaps who want to do away with the state in hopes of being wealthy warlords.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:58 am

So, ladies and gentlemen, care to share your thoughts on the latest tax bill?
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:15 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:So, ladies and gentlemen, care to share your thoughts on the latest tax bill?


Flawed in many ways but as long as the final version doesn't eliminate the tuition deduction for PhD students it isn't a complete piece of shit.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:29 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:So, ladies and gentlemen, care to share your thoughts on the latest tax bill?


I frankly don't care, tax policy isn't something that interests me too much.
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Postby Arlenton » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:51 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:So, ladies and gentlemen, care to share your thoughts on the latest tax bill?

I'd say a decent step in the right direction. And given the current political climate and situation, this is great news.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:07 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:So, ladies and gentlemen, care to share your thoughts on the latest tax bill?

I'd say a decent step in the right direction. And given the current political climate and situation, this is great news.

Very true, but we are still left with the issue of the deficit.
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