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What is your favorite conservative political party?

Poll ended at Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:42 pm

Liberal Party of Australia
1
5%
Democrats (Brazil)
0
No votes
Kuomintang (Taiwan)
7
35%
Republicans (France)
3
15%
Christian Democrat Union (Germany)
3
15%
Liberal Democratic Party (Japan)
2
10%
Liberty Korea Party (South Korea)
1
5%
People's Party (Spain)
0
No votes
Conservative and Unionist Party (United Kingdom)
2
10%
Independent Democratic Union (Chile)
1
5%
 
Total votes : 20

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:33 pm

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Laos would be perfect for you as its a one party state and the incumbent party is guaranteed of winning.

I prefer Oklahoma. A much more free single party state.

Meanwhile you've lost several special elections for the legislature and will probably have a very competitive race for governor.

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I prefer Oklahoma. A much more free single party state.

Meanwhile you've lost several special elections for the legislature and will probably have a very competitive race for governor.

Is that race going to be competitive? Early stuff says lean R so that's pretty competitive for Oklahoma.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:42 pm

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Meanwhile you've lost several special elections for the legislature and will probably have a very competitive race for governor.

Is that race going to be competitive? Early stuff says lean R so that's pretty competitive for Oklahoma.

Its a year from now who knows

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Is that race going to be competitive? Early stuff says lean R so that's pretty competitive for Oklahoma.

Its a year from now who knows

You could be right. Fallin isn't too popular and there should be some anti-Trump backlash in the OK City and Tulsa areas. It'd be a tough nut to crack for any Democrat though.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:46 pm

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its a year from now who knows

You could be right. Fallin isn't too popular and there should be some anti-Trump backlash in the OK City and Tulsa areas. It'd be a tough nut to crack for any Democrat though.

I agree but your party is likely going to do very badly in statewide offices next year as there are many open seats.

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:You could be right. Fallin isn't too popular and there should be some anti-Trump backlash in the OK City and Tulsa areas. It'd be a tough nut to crack for any Democrat though.

I agree but your party is likely going to do very badly in statewide offices next year as there are many open seats.

Too bad our President is too busy picking dumb fights instead of trying to get stuff done and the "base" considers a pedophile more fit for the senate than a war hero. Losses will come as no surprise.

...I miss W.

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:52 pm

WE COULD HAVE HAD JEB! :(

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:54 pm

Arlenton wrote:WE COULD HAVE HAD JEB! :(


Nobody wants Jeb.
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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:55 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Arlenton wrote:WE COULD HAVE HAD JEB! :(


Nobody wants Jeb.

Me and his 4 other supporters do.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:55 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Arlenton wrote:WE COULD HAVE HAD JEB! :(


Nobody wants Jeb.


Even Jeb didn't want Jeb.
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Myrensis
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Postby Myrensis » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:56 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Nouveau Yathrib wrote:
Second system would not necessarily work in your party’s favor.

Yes it would.

54% of Vietnamese Americans voted for Romney over Obama in 2012.
http://aaldef.org/press-releases/press-release/new-findings-asian-american-vote-in-2012-varied-widely-by-ethnic-group-and-geographic-location.html

67% voted for McCain over Obama in 2008.
http://www.aaldef.org/docs/AALDEF2008ExitPollRpt.pdf

Vietnamese are establishment Republicans.


And 65% of Vietnamese Americans voted for Clinton over Trump in 2016.
http://aaldef.org/TheAsianAmericanVote2016-AALDEF.pdf

Should probably be a bit of a red flag that Republicans lost 13% of the Vietnamese vote to Obama the second time around, ie when he wasn't riding a hype train off a collapsing Republican Administration and was an incumbent with barely break even popularity in a weak economic recovery.

Republicans outsized support with Vietnamese vs. Asian voters in general is essentially the same as their outsized support among Cubans vs. hispanics in general: A very particular group focused on the narrow issue of the evils of communism. And they've been losing ground among both groups for the same reason: nth generation Vietnamese/Cubans don't wake up every morning cursing the Communists/Castro's name, and without that they don't have much reason to look the other way regarding the GOP's increasing xenophobia and pandering to white nationalists.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:57 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nobody wants Jeb.

Me and his 4 other supporters do.


Yeah but you probably already clapped for him. You aren't a good example.
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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:58 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Yes it would.

54% of Vietnamese Americans voted for Romney over Obama in 2012.
http://aaldef.org/press-releases/press-release/new-findings-asian-american-vote-in-2012-varied-widely-by-ethnic-group-and-geographic-location.html

67% voted for McCain over Obama in 2008.
http://www.aaldef.org/docs/AALDEF2008ExitPollRpt.pdf

Vietnamese are establishment Republicans.


And 65% of Vietnamese Americans voted for Clinton over Trump in 2016.
http://aaldef.org/TheAsianAmericanVote2016-AALDEF.pdf

Should probably be a bit of a red flag that Republicans lost 13% of the Vietnamese vote to Obama the second time around, ie when he wasn't riding a hype train off a collapsing Republican Administration and was an incumbent with barely break even popularity in a weak economic recovery.

Republicans outsized support with Vietnamese vs. Asian voters in general is essentially the same as their outsized support among Cubans vs. hispanics in general: A very particular group focused on the narrow issue of the evils of communism. And they've been losing ground among both groups for the same reason: nth generation Vietnamese/Cubans don't wake up every morning cursing the Communists/Castro's name, and without that they don't have much reason to look the other way regarding the GOP's increasing xenophobia and pandering to white nationalists.

Sounds like they support the kind of GOP I support.
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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:14 am

Arlenton wrote:WE COULD HAVE HAD JEB! :(

I think I'd rather have just smothered myself thanks (maybe with a wet blanket)


Or maybe just fasted and watched paint dry until I dropped dead, that would've also been a good and exciting alternative :p
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:39 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Arlenton wrote:WE COULD HAVE HAD JEB! :(

I think I'd rather have just smothered myself thanks (maybe with a wet blanket)


Or maybe just fasted and watched paint dry until I dropped dead, that would've also been a good and exciting alternative :p


Jeb didn't seem so bad policy-wise.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:58 pm

Telconi wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I think I'd rather have just smothered myself thanks (maybe with a wet blanket)


Or maybe just fasted and watched paint dry until I dropped dead, that would've also been a good and exciting alternative :p


Jeb didn't seem so bad policy-wise.


You have to look at the whole. Even donnie has his good moments....well ever decade maybe?

The Schiavo affair showed he was a wanker of the highest order.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:32 pm

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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:30 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:Wow I love McCain now


You'll love anyone who "tells it" to Clinton, won't you?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:32 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Wow I love McCain now


You'll love anyone who "tells it" to Clinton, won't you?

Pretty much. :)
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:49 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
You'll love anyone who "tells it" to Clinton, won't you?

Pretty much. :)


McCain's a pretty cool dude, and he's right in a lot of what he said in the article. Sucks that his health problems have arisen of late.

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:42 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:Wow I love McCain now


I wonder if he will set the record straight on the planes he destroyed?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:45 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Wow I love McCain now


I wonder if he will set the record straight on the planes he destroyed?


He did whatnow?

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:13 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Wow I love McCain now


You'll love anyone who "tells it" to Clinton, won't you?


"Enemy of my enemy" and so on and so forth...
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-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:26 pm

And right wingers can't decide whether Nobody Listens To Clinton or if She Needs To Shut Up. If nobody listens to her anyways, why would she need to shut up?
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:05 pm

I honestly never considered who's my favorite VP.
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