The State of the Republican Party Post-2017

[Arlenton]

With the system you proposed, yes.

But would you support such a system?

No. I only support two systems. 1 the system we have now and 2 only Vietnamese can vote.

[Northern Davincia]

Working class Italian conservatives who voted for Obama in '12 but not '08.

I thought Staten Island was primarily wealthy people?

Also kinda odd that McCain won it in 2008 but Romney lost it in 2012.

Staten Island is like Fight Club.
We don't talk about it.

[Telconi]

The point had nothing to do with voter fraud, and everything to do with people casting bad votes. People cast bad votes, but we still extend the right to vote to them. Why?

Your exact words.

I just said people... you know that people live outside of Chicago and other urban areas right?

[Major-Tom]

Working class Italian conservatives who voted for Obama in '12 but not '08.

I thought Staten Island was primarily wealthy people?

Also kinda odd that McCain won it in 2008 but Romney lost it in 2012.

Largely working class whites, still. Not too much poverty but still not rich.

That is strange.

[San Lumen]

Your exact words.

I just said people... you know that people live outside of Chicago and other urban areas right?

Yes I do. But do urban areas vote badly in your view because they don't vote the way you like?

[Arlenton]

I thought Staten Island was primarily wealthy people?

Also kinda odd that McCain won it in 2008 but Romney lost it in 2012.

Staten Island is like Fight Club.
We don't talk about it.

It along with Chester County Pennsylvania are the Orange Counties of the Northeast.

[Telconi]

Well if you go up the quote chain that you initially replied to, you'll find it in all capital bolder italics...

Misread, then, my bad.

Though, there is a massive gap between how the rules are written and how they affect things. Having rules apply equally is not insurance that the rules themselves are fair.

I'm reminded of Black Codes in the South following Abolition.

Black codes weren't fair because they applied only to blacks. And we're slapped on with the intent of disenfranchising a particular party's voters.

[Arlenton]

I thought Staten Island was primarily wealthy people?

Also kinda odd that McCain won it in 2008 but Romney lost it in 2012.

Largely working class whites, still. Not too much poverty but still not rich.

That is strange.

Wait, I always thought Staten Island was Yankee country club Republican territory???

Everything I know is broken.

[Telconi]

I just said people... you know that people live outside of Chicago and other urban areas right?

Yes I do. But do urban areas vote badly in your view because they don't vote the way you like?

Some do, sure... but it's hardly limited to urban people.

[Valrifell]

Misread, then, my bad.

Though, there is a massive gap between how the rules are written and how they affect things. Having rules apply equally is not insurance that the rules themselves are fair.

I'm reminded of Black Codes in the South following Abolition.

Black codes weren't fair because they applied only to blacks. And we're slapped on with the intent of disenfranchising a particular party's voters.

They didn't exclusively apply to blacks, not all of them, at least. They just criminalized behavior that blacks were more likely to take part in, technically any white man could've been arrested for vagrancy. Likely? No. Possible as it was written in the books? Yes.

[Telconi]

Black codes weren't fair because they applied only to blacks. And we're slapped on with the intent of disenfranchising a particular party's voters.

They didn't exclusively apply to blacks, not all of them, at least. They just criminalized behavior that blacks were more likely to take part in, technically any white man could've been arrested for vagrancy. Likely? No. Possible as it was written in the books? Yes.

They were in practice only applied to blacks at least.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

But would you support such a system?

No. I only support two systems. 1 the system we have now and 2 only Vietnamese can vote.

Second system would not necessarily work in your party’s favor.

[Arlenton]

No. I only support two systems. 1 the system we have now and 2 only Vietnamese can vote.

Second system would not necessarily work in your party’s favor.

Yes it would.

54% of Vietnamese Americans voted for Romney over Obama in 2012.
http://aaldef.org/press-releases/press-release/new-findings-asian-american-vote-in-2012-varied-widely-by-ethnic-group-and-geographic-location.html

67% voted for McCain over Obama in 2008.
http://www.aaldef.org/docs/AALDEF2008ExitPollRpt.pdf

Vietnamese are establishment Republicans.

[Corrian]

Apparently Muslim Americans voted heavily for Republicans, too, but I am pretty sure Republicans have managed to fuck that voting block out of their side for a long while.

[Northern Davincia]

Apparently Muslim Americans voted heavily for Republicans, too, but I am pretty sure Republicans have managed to fuck that voting block out of their side for a long while.

Unfortunately. Bush dropped the ball but we only kept it rolling.

[Arlenton]

Apparently Muslim Americans voted heavily for Republicans, too, but I am pretty sure Republicans have managed to fuck that voting block out of their side for a long while.

Unfortunately. Bush dropped the ball but we only kept it rolling.

Was it all just Bush (I'm sure some of it was) or was much of it from uninformed anti-Islamic sentiment that appeared after 9/11?

[Northern Davincia]

Unfortunately. Bush dropped the ball but we only kept it rolling.

Was it all just Bush (I'm sure some of it was) or was much of it from uninformed anti-Islamic sentiment that appeared after 9/11?

Islamophobia was atrocious after 9/11, but despite the fact that Bush was sympathetic to Muslim Americans, he simply never found the right message to keep them in the party.
And now highly socially conservative voters are in the hands of the Democrats. I have no mouth, and I must scream.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

Second system would not necessarily work in your party’s favor.

Yes it would.

54% of Vietnamese Americans voted for Romney over Obama in 2012.
http://aaldef.org/press-releases/press-release/new-findings-asian-american-vote-in-2012-varied-widely-by-ethnic-group-and-geographic-location.html

67% voted for McCain over Obama in 2008.
http://www.aaldef.org/docs/AALDEF2008ExitPollRpt.pdf

Vietnamese are establishment Republicans.

Not if you look at the direction younger Vietnamese Americans trend politically. Or what direction the Republican Party is headed in. I'm not arguing that Vietnamese Americans lean reliably Democratic, just that they have been trending away from voting reliably Republican.

Apparently Muslim Americans voted heavily for Republicans, too, but I am pretty sure Republicans have managed to fuck that voting block out of their side for a long while.

The shift of Muslim Americans and Asian Americans from Republican-leaning to reliably Democratic voting blocs reflects the GOP's drift from the Party of Reagan to the Party of Trump. This might not be a change the current Republican establishment can reverse.

http://www.atimes.com/two-americas-whos ... americans/

Moreover, second- and third-generation Asian-Americans tend now to embrace the voting patterns of their respective socio-economic groups. So it is not surprising that young, urbanite, over-educated and well-to-do Asian-American professionals and business executives tend to adopt the political culture of (and vote like other) young, urbanite, over-educated Americans in, say, Manhattan, Cambridge, or Silicon Valley. They identify themselves as politically liberal and vote mostly for Democratic candidates.

To put it in simple terms, more Asian-Americans work today in the Silicon Valley than in the mining industries of West Virginia, and reside in the upper-middle-class suburbs of northern Virginia than in the backwater areas of Mississippi.

And young Asian-Americans embrace the “cool” values of urban America on immigration and environmental protection, and are alienated from the culture of rural America. They have more in common with the liberal Jews of New York City than with gun-toting rednecks in Alabama.

Hence, take an average Asian-American family, and you may discover that the grandfather who immigrated from China or Vietnam and opened a business in the US had voted for Republican Reagan in 1980; his daughter cast her ballot for the Democrat Bill Clinton in 1992; and his grandson was a fan of left-leaning Democratic presidential contender Bernie Sanders or of the libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson in 2016.

[Arlenton]

Yes it would.

54% of Vietnamese Americans voted for Romney over Obama in 2012.
http://aaldef.org/press-releases/press-release/new-findings-asian-american-vote-in-2012-varied-widely-by-ethnic-group-and-geographic-location.html

67% voted for McCain over Obama in 2008.
http://www.aaldef.org/docs/AALDEF2008ExitPollRpt.pdf

Vietnamese are establishment Republicans.

Not if you look at the direction younger Vietnamese Americans trend politically. Or what direction the Republican Party is headed in. I'm not arguing that Vietnamese Americans lean reliably Democratic, just that they have been trending away from voting reliably Republican.

Apparently Muslim Americans voted heavily for Republicans, too, but I am pretty sure Republicans have managed to fuck that voting block out of their side for a long while.

The shift of Muslim Americans and Asian Americans from Republican-leaning to reliably Democratic voting blocs reflects the GOP's drift from the Party of Reagan to the Party of Trump. This might not be a change the current Republican establishment can reverse.

http://www.atimes.com/two-americas-whos ... americans/

Moreover, second- and third-generation Asian-Americans tend now to embrace the voting patterns of their respective socio-economic groups. So it is not surprising that young, urbanite, over-educated and well-to-do Asian-American professionals and business executives tend to adopt the political culture of (and vote like other) young, urbanite, over-educated Americans in, say, Manhattan, Cambridge, or Silicon Valley. They identify themselves as politically liberal and vote mostly for Democratic candidates.

To put it in simple terms, more Asian-Americans work today in the Silicon Valley than in the mining industries of West Virginia, and reside in the upper-middle-class suburbs of northern Virginia than in the backwater areas of Mississippi.

And young Asian-Americans embrace the “cool” values of urban America on immigration and environmental protection, and are alienated from the culture of rural America. They have more in common with the liberal Jews of New York City than with gun-toting rednecks in Alabama.

Hence, take an average Asian-American family, and you may discover that the grandfather who immigrated from China or Vietnam and opened a business in the US had voted for Republican Reagan in 1980; his daughter cast her ballot for the Democrat Bill Clinton in 1992; and his grandson was a fan of left-leaning Democratic presidential contender Bernie Sanders or of the libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson in 2016.

So Vietnamese voters align with me on most issues. Which is my point.

Also the GOP won Asian voters as a whole nationally in 2014.

[San Lumen]

Not if you look at the direction younger Vietnamese Americans trend politically. Or what direction the Republican Party is headed in. I'm not arguing that Vietnamese Americans lean reliably Democratic, just that they have been trending away from voting reliably Republican.



The shift of Muslim Americans and Asian Americans from Republican-leaning to reliably Democratic voting blocs reflects the GOP's drift from the Party of Reagan to the Party of Trump. This might not be a change the current Republican establishment can reverse.

http://www.atimes.com/two-americas-whos ... americans/

So Vietnamese voters align with me on most issues. Which is my point.

Also the GOP won Asian voters as a whole nationally in 2014.

So only the people who agree with you should be allowed to vote? Sounds like you want a dictatorship or one party state.

[Telconi]

So Vietnamese voters align with me on most issues. Which is my point.

Also the GOP won Asian voters as a whole nationally in 2014.

So only the people who agree with you should be allowed to vote? Sounds like you want a dictatorship or one party state.

TBF "Vietnamese" isn't a party...

[Arlenton]

So Vietnamese voters align with me on most issues. Which is my point.

Also the GOP won Asian voters as a whole nationally in 2014.

So only the people who agree with you should be allowed to vote? Sounds like you want a dictatorship or one party state.

Yes. Now bow down to your center-right Southeast Asian overlords.

[San Lumen]

So only the people who agree with you should be allowed to vote? Sounds like you want a dictatorship or one party state.

Yes. Now bow down to your center-right Southeast Asian overlords.

Laos would be perfect for you as its a one party state and the incumbent party is guaranteed of winning.

[Petrasylvania]

Yes. Now bow down to your center-right Southeast Asian overlords.

Laos would be perfect for you as its a one party state and the incumbent party is guaranteed of winning.

Let him keep going. Sooner or later he'll drive another Vietnamese to go Uncle Ho.

[Arlenton]

Yes. Now bow down to your center-right Southeast Asian overlords.

Laos would be perfect for you as its a one party state and the incumbent party is guaranteed of winning.

I prefer Oklahoma. A much more free single party state.