The State of the Republican Party Post-2017

[Valrifell]

"Both candidates knew they were in a single-party dictatorship, it's only fair the guy not from The Party was executed! He knew the rules going in!"

The Electoral College is a single party dictatorship and Hillary Clinton's head is adorning the spike on the top of the White House? Or, are you just full of hot air and foolish assertions?

I'm applying your principles. I mean, I didn't know that North Korea had fair elections, but if everyone knows the rules...

[Telconi]

You're entitled to your opinion. Doesn't make it factually correct.

So what your saying is you don't believe in one man one vote? The votes of rural areas should count more. Lets also go back to the time of pre Reynolds v Sims and shaft urban areas out of their fair share of representation.

I got rid of all those creepy straw men in your post.

[Corrian]

San Lumen, you aren't going to get anywhere with your rhetoric with Arlenton if you know their history.

[San Lumen]

So what your saying is you don't believe in one man one vote? The votes of rural areas should count more. Lets also go back to the time of pre Reynolds v Sims and shaft urban areas out of their fair share of representation.

I got rid of all those creepy straw men in your post.

How is that a straw man?

[Washington Resistance Army]

But those rural Virginia votes should count more right?

No, only the Vietnamese ones.

But what happens when the Viet Cong infiltrators turn them all to communism?

[Telconi]

The Electoral College is a single party dictatorship and Hillary Clinton's head is adorning the spike on the top of the White House? Or, are you just full of hot air and foolish assertions?

I'm applying your principles a foolish straw man I made up. I mean, I didn't know that North Korea had fair elections, but if everyone knows the rules...

FTFY

...*gets another pack of red ink pens*

[Northern Davincia]

You obviously know nothing about my state and are trying to make a unfair system i proposed seem fair.

I'm not an expert on NY politics, but I'm relatively informed on voting trends. If your proposition were to be implemented, Dems would eventually evolve over time to appeal to the upstate NY voters.

Long Island is (almost) solely Democrat and upstate is (almost) solely Republican.

[Telconi]

I got rid of all those creepy straw men in your post.

How is that a straw man?

Because I said none of those things?

[Valrifell]

I'm applying your principles a foolish straw man I made up. I mean, I didn't know that North Korea had fair elections, but if everyone knows the rules...

FTFY

...*gets another pack of red ink pens*

So you're not saying that "things are fair because everyone knows the rules?"

Coulda fooled me. If that's not your assertion, what is?

[San Lumen]

How is that a straw man?

Because I said none of those things?

An election should be whoever gets the most votes is the winner. And you implied all of it when you agreed with the system i proposed and disparaged Chicago and other urban areas for voted badly as you put it.

[Arlenton]

I'm not an expert on NY politics, but I'm relatively informed on voting trends. If your proposition were to be implemented, Dems would eventually evolve over time to appeal to the upstate NY voters.

By doing what exactly?

Go right on social issues but keep their current economic positions. That'd make them competitive with more rural white voters, but you'd see some losses in urban wealthier areas.

Sort of like what Republicans did nationally to finally defeat the New Deal coalition.

[Major-Tom]

I'm not an expert on NY politics, but I'm relatively informed on voting trends. If your proposition were to be implemented, Dems would eventually evolve over time to appeal to the upstate NY voters.

Long Island is (almost) solely Democrat and upstate is (almost) solely Republican.

Nonsense. Of the two Long Island counties, one voted for Trump, the other narrowly narrowly for Hillary. Long Island was once super republican, now it's suburban swing territory.

As for upstate, until 2016, it was pretty Democratic overall.

[Valrifell]

By doing what exactly?

Go right on social issues but keep their current economic positions. That'd make them competitive with more rural white voters, but you'd see some losses in urban wealthier areas.

Sort of like what Republicans did nationally to finally defeat the New Deal coalition.

Actually, I'm pretty sure to defeat the New Deal coalition, Reps went to the left, and were miles to the left of where they are now.

[Telconi]

FTFY

...*gets another pack of red ink pens*

So you're not saying that "things are fair because everyone knows the rules?"

Coulda fooled me. If that's not your assertion, what is?

Well if you go up the quote chain that you initially replied to, you'll find it in all capital bolder italics...

[San Lumen]

By doing what exactly?

Go right on social issues but keep their current economic positions. That'd make them competitive with more rural white voters, but you'd see some losses in urban wealthier areas.

Sort of like what Republicans did nationally to finally defeat the New Deal coalition.

So in other words only certain people should matter and the heck with everyone else? For example to win some small republican county upstate they should make repealing my right to marry and not be discriminated against a thing?

[Arlenton]

I'm not an expert on NY politics, but I'm relatively informed on voting trends. If your proposition were to be implemented, Dems would eventually evolve over time to appeal to the upstate NY voters.

Long Island is (almost) solely Democrat and upstate is (almost) solely Republican.

Trump had an impressive home state effect on long Island though. He won Suffolk county. Also there were plenty of highly populated areas upstate that Clinton still won.

And in 2012 Romney lost upstate New York.

Also where do we put Staten Island in this case?

[Major-Tom]

Long Island is (almost) solely Democrat and upstate is (almost) solely Republican.

Trump had an impressive home state effect on long Island though. He won Suffolk county. Also there were plenty of highly populated areas upstate that Clinton still won.

And in 2012 Romney lost upstate New York.

Also where do we put Staten Island in this case?

Working class Italian conservatives who voted for Obama in '12 but not '08.

[Arlenton]

Go right on social issues but keep their current economic positions. That'd make them competitive with more rural white voters, but you'd see some losses in urban wealthier areas.

Sort of like what Republicans did nationally to finally defeat the New Deal coalition.

So in other words only certain people should matter and the heck with everyone else? For example to win some small republican county upstate they should make repealing my right to marry and not be discriminated against a thing?

With the system you proposed, yes.

[San Lumen]

Long Island is (almost) solely Democrat and upstate is (almost) solely Republican.

Trump had an impressive home state effect on long Island though. He won Suffolk county. Also there were plenty of highly populated areas upstate that Clinton still won.

And in 2012 Romney lost upstate New York.

Also where do we put Staten Island in this case?

I think it swings back in 2020 but thats a long way from now.

[San Lumen]

So in other words only certain people should matter and the heck with everyone else? For example to win some small republican county upstate they should make repealing my right to marry and not be discriminated against a thing?

With the system you proposed, yes.

But would you support such a system?

[Telconi]

Because I said none of those things?

An election should be whoever gets the most votes is the winner. And you implied all of it when you agreed with the system i proposed and disparaged Chicago and other urban areas for voted badly as you put it.

Your opinion. Any implications you drew from what I said are false and your problem, never mentioned Chicago that I can recall. Nor did I day anything about urban areas "voting badly"

[San Lumen]

You should do it better then


Direct rule from NYC over the Midwest when tbh

The point had nothing to do with voter fraud, and everything to do with people casting bad votes. People cast bad votes, but we still extend the right to vote to them. Why?

Your exact words.

[Arlenton]

Trump had an impressive home state effect on long Island though. He won Suffolk county. Also there were plenty of highly populated areas upstate that Clinton still won.

And in 2012 Romney lost upstate New York.

Also where do we put Staten Island in this case?

Working class Italian conservatives who voted for Obama in '12 but not '08.

I thought Staten Island was primarily wealthy people?

Also kinda odd that McCain won it in 2008 but Romney lost it in 2012.

[Valrifell]

So you're not saying that "things are fair because everyone knows the rules?"

Coulda fooled me. If that's not your assertion, what is?

Well if you go up the quote chain that you initially replied to, you'll find it in all capital bolder italics...

Misread, then, my bad.

Though, there is a massive gap between how the rules are written and how they affect things. Having rules apply equally is not insurance that the rules themselves are fair.

I'm reminded of Black Codes in the South following Abolition.

[San Lumen]

Well if you go up the quote chain that you initially replied to, you'll find it in all capital bolder italics...

Misread, then, my bad.

Though, there is a massive gap between how the rules are written and how they affect things. Having rules apply equally is not insurance that the rules themselves are fair.

I'm reminded of Black Codes in the South following Abolition.

Thats the point i was trying to make.