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What is your favorite conservative political party?

Poll ended at Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:42 pm

Liberal Party of Australia
1
5%
Democrats (Brazil)
0
No votes
Kuomintang (Taiwan)
7
35%
Republicans (France)
3
15%
Christian Democrat Union (Germany)
3
15%
Liberal Democratic Party (Japan)
2
10%
Liberty Korea Party (South Korea)
1
5%
People's Party (Spain)
0
No votes
Conservative and Unionist Party (United Kingdom)
2
10%
Independent Democratic Union (Chile)
1
5%
 
Total votes : 20

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No it wasn't...

You didn't answer my question. Why would certain votes counting more than others be fair?


BECAUSE ALL CANDIDATES ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME RULES!
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-Environmental Protections
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-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:26 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You didn't answer my question. Why would certain votes counting more than others be fair?


BECAUSE ALL CANDIDATES ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME RULES!

That is not an answer.

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
BECAUSE ALL CANDIDATES ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME RULES!

That is not an answer.

Seems like a pretty solid answer to me.

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:27 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:
Image

I'm happy with this.

*sniff*
Finally someone understands me...
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
BECAUSE ALL CANDIDATES ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME RULES!

That is not an answer.


That is the very definition of fair.
-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Zakuvia
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Postby Zakuvia » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:28 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I'm happy with this.

*sniff*
Finally someone understands me...


So, a slightly more boring version of the New Mexico flag? I can dig it.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:29 pm

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That is not an answer.

Seems like a pretty solid answer to me.

No it really isn't. Give a better answer. Quite a few counties in upstate New York aren't likely to vote Democrat any time soon so your side would always win.

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:30 pm

Zakuvia wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:*sniff*
Finally someone understands me...


So, a slightly more boring version of the New Mexico flag? I can dig it.

That's the South Vietnamese flag. Because Vietnamese people, who tend to be self reliant business owners who vote reliably (establishment) Republican, should be the only race allowed to vote.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Seems like a pretty solid answer to me.

No it really isn't. Give a better answer. Quite a few counties in upstate New York aren't likely to vote Democrat any time soon so your side would always win.


Maybe you guys should work on broadening your appeal.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:31 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No it really isn't. Give a better answer. Quite a few counties in upstate New York aren't likely to vote Democrat any time soon so your side would always win.


Maybe you guys should work on broadening your appeal.

Virginia is a prime example of how we are.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Maybe you guys should work on broadening your appeal.

Virginia is a prime example of how we are.


It really isn't. You aren't gaining support in rural areas, the state is just becoming more blue because more people who already vote Dem are moving to NoVa.
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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Seems like a pretty solid answer to me.

No it really isn't. Give a better answer. Quite a few counties in upstate New York aren't likely to vote Democrat any time soon so your side would always win.

Democrats would just eventually appeal to the upstate counties in that case.

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Seems like a pretty solid answer to me.

No it really isn't. Give a better answer. Quite a few counties in upstate New York aren't likely to vote Democrat any time soon so your side would always win.


And you continue to not appeal to said counties. If a football team goes into the season with a team lineup designed around their kicker, and they lose because a team with a solid QB and WRs beats them hands down on the passing game. They don't get to complain that the game was rigged because "Field goals are worth less than touchdowns". They were both playing the same game, with the same opportunities, and their strategy cost them. Simple as that.
-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:34 pm

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No it really isn't. Give a better answer. Quite a few counties in upstate New York aren't likely to vote Democrat any time soon so your side would always win.

Democrats would just eventually appeal to the upstate counties in that case.

You obviously know nothing about my state and are trying to make a unfair system i proposed seem fair.

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Democrats would just eventually appeal to the upstate counties in that case.


You obviously know nothing things about my state how elections work and are trying to make a unfair system i proposed dislike seem fair.


FTFY
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-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:39 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You obviously know nothing things about my state how elections work and are trying to make a unfair system i proposed dislike seem fair.


FTFY

an election should be be whoever wins the most votes wins. simple as that.
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:41 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That is not an answer.


That is the very definition of fair.


"Both candidates knew they were in a single-party dictatorship, it's only fair the guy not from The Party was executed! He knew the rules going in!"
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
FTFY

an election should be be whoever wins the most votes wins. simple as that.


You're entitled to your opinion. Doesn't make it factually correct.
-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:41 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Virginia is a prime example of how we are.


It really isn't. You aren't gaining support in rural areas, the state is just becoming more blue because more people who already vote Dem are moving to NoVa.

Those wealthy white suburban New York-move-to-NOVA people used to be Republican though. Dems have converted them over the decades. Dems aren't expanding their base, they are just moving it, because they are also losing the rural Virginians in the western part of the state..

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:42 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That is the very definition of fair.


"Both candidates knew they were in a single-party dictatorship, it's only fair the guy not from The Party was executed! He knew the rules going in!"


The Electoral College is a single party dictatorship and Hillary Clinton's head is adorning the spike on the top of the White House? Or, are you just full of hot air and foolish assertions?
-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:42 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:an election should be be whoever wins the most votes wins. simple as that.


You're entitled to your opinion. Doesn't make it factually correct.

So what your saying is you don't believe in one man one vote? The votes of rural areas should count more. Lets also go back to the time of pre Reynolds v Sims and shaft urban areas out of their fair share of representation.

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Democrats would just eventually appeal to the upstate counties in that case.

You obviously know nothing about my state and are trying to make a unfair system i proposed seem fair.

I'm not an expert on NY politics, but I'm relatively informed on voting trends. If your proposition were to be implemented, Dems would eventually evolve over time to appeal to the upstate NY voters.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:43 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It really isn't. You aren't gaining support in rural areas, the state is just becoming more blue because more people who already vote Dem are moving to NoVa.

Those wealthy white suburban New York-move-to-NOVA people used to be Republican though. Dems have converted them over the decades. Dems aren't expanding their base, they are just moving it, because they are also losing the rural Virginians in the western part of the state..

But those rural Virginia votes should count more right?

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:44 pm

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You obviously know nothing about my state and are trying to make a unfair system i proposed seem fair.

I'm not an expert on NY politics, but I'm relatively informed on voting trends. If your proposition were to be implemented, Dems would eventually evolve over time to appeal to the upstate NY voters.

By doing what exactly?

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Those wealthy white suburban New York-move-to-NOVA people used to be Republican though. Dems have converted them over the decades. Dems aren't expanding their base, they are just moving it, because they are also losing the rural Virginians in the western part of the state..

But those rural Virginia votes should count more right?

No, only the Vietnamese ones.

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