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What is your favorite conservative political party?

Poll ended at Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:42 pm

Liberal Party of Australia
1
5%
Democrats (Brazil)
0
No votes
Kuomintang (Taiwan)
7
35%
Republicans (France)
3
15%
Christian Democrat Union (Germany)
3
15%
Liberal Democratic Party (Japan)
2
10%
Liberty Korea Party (South Korea)
1
5%
People's Party (Spain)
0
No votes
Conservative and Unionist Party (United Kingdom)
2
10%
Independent Democratic Union (Chile)
1
5%
 
Total votes : 20

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:47 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Diem was assassinated before Nixon. Besides, those juntas would have been preferable than communist tyranny. South Korea and Taiwan are living proof.

There's a distinct lack of consistency in a country that during that period bragged about being a beacon of democracy propping up juntas and dictatorships that brutalize political dissidents like an Olympic sport.

Consistency could not matter less when the red plague spreads across the globe undeterred.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:51 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:There's a distinct lack of consistency in a country that during that period bragged about being a beacon of democracy propping up juntas and dictatorships that brutalize political dissidents like an Olympic sport.

Consistency could not matter less when the red plague spreads across the globe undeterred.

Who's the Number One U.S. trading partner? Oh right...
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:55 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Consistency could not matter less when the red plague spreads across the globe undeterred.

Who's the Number One U.S. trading partner? Oh right...

>trade deficit
>steals intellectual property
>causes labor outsourcing
>threatens Japan and Taiwan on a regular basis
>supports North Korea
>major holder of US debt

MacArthur had the right idea.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:57 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Who's the Number One U.S. trading partner? Oh right...

>trade deficit
>steals intellectual property
>causes labor outsourcing
>threatens Japan and Taiwan on a regular basis
>supports North Korea
>major holder of US debt

MacArthur had the right idea.

Nuke China then? Great idea. :roll:
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Collatis
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Postby Collatis » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:17 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Actively propping up either a corrupt Christian plutocratic family that actively oppressed the Buddhist populace or a string of juntas that were too busy infighting to be competent. A ton of money, materials and men spent on What Could Possibly Go Wrong? Brilliant.

Diem was assassinated before Nixon. Besides, those juntas would have been preferable than communist tyranny. South Korea and Taiwan are living proof.

Both of which only adopted democracy in recent decades. In fact, for a long time North Korea had a higher standard of living than South Korea. While South Korea and Taiwan are both far preferable to North Korea and China nowadays, that doesn't, not for a second, mean that we were on the side of the angels. We supported brutal dictatorships in the name of combating tyranny. I thought opposition to oppression and violence were supposed to be the reasons we opposed communism in the first place. When we compromise the very values we claim to uphold to crush those who oppose us, we're no better than our supposedly backwards adversaries.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:34 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:>trade deficit
>steals intellectual property
>causes labor outsourcing
>threatens Japan and Taiwan on a regular basis
>supports North Korea
>major holder of US debt

MacArthur had the right idea.

Nuke China then? Great idea. :roll:

It's obviously too late now. The opportunity was wasted when the Soviets got the bomb.
Collatis wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Diem was assassinated before Nixon. Besides, those juntas would have been preferable than communist tyranny. South Korea and Taiwan are living proof.

Both of which only adopted democracy in recent decades. In fact, for a long time North Korea had a higher standard of living than South Korea. While South Korea and Taiwan are both far preferable to North Korea and China nowadays, that doesn't, not for a second, mean that we were on the side of the angels. We supported brutal dictatorships in the name of combating tyranny. I thought opposition to oppression and violence were supposed to be the reasons we opposed communism in the first place. When we compromise the very values we claim to uphold to crush those who oppose us, we're no better than our supposedly backwards adversaries.

We opposed communism because it was not only against our way of life culturally, but because it seeks to spread worldwide revolution. If we had done nothing, it would have infected Japan and western Europe and the other last vestiges of freedom across the globe. Nuclear weapons only made this pandemic worse, if the Cuban Missile Crisis is anything to go after.
If brutal regimes were necessary to contain the red menace and keep it out of our backyards, so be it.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:37 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:>trade deficit
...
>causes labor outsourcing
...
>major holder of US debt


Means nothing.

>threatens Japan and Taiwan on a regular basis

Empty threats.
>supports North Korea

Hardly anymore.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:59 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:The ACA premiums or the other insurance?

Both. It's a lose-lose situation. Nevertheless, ACA recipients are only doing 'better' through parasitism.

Thats really a dehumanizing phrase.

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Postby Collatis » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:26 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Both. It's a lose-lose situation. Nevertheless, ACA recipients are only doing 'better' through parasitism.

Thats really a dehumanizing phrase.

Dehumanization is how libertarians sleep at night. That and the calming sound of laboring children.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:26 am

Collatis wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Thats really a dehumanizing phrase.

Dehumanization is how libertarians sleep at night. That and the calming sound of laboring children.


Am libertarian, can confirm.
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Collatis
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Postby Collatis » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:27 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Collatis wrote:Dehumanization is how libertarians sleep at night. That and the calming sound of laboring children.


Am libertarian, can confirm.

And guns, of course, for WRA.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:31 am

Collatis wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Thats really a dehumanizing phrase.

Dehumanization is how libertarians sleep at night. That and the calming sound of laboring children.

And why is it that even dirt poor libertarians on welfare talk like that?
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:32 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Collatis wrote:Dehumanization is how libertarians sleep at night. That and the calming sound of laboring children.

And why is it that even dirt poor libertarians on welfare talk like that?


Because humans are hypocrites.
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Postby Collatis » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:33 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:And why is it that even dirt poor libertarians on welfare talk like that?


Because humans are hypocrites.

Pretty much. Also, a significant amount of Americans are convinced that they are going to be rich someday. And all those tax cuts for the wealthy will finally pay off!

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:35 am

Collatis wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because humans are hypocrites.

Pretty much. Also, a significant amount of Americans are convinced that they are going to be rich someday. And all those tax cuts for the wealthy will finally pay off!


Am convinced I'll be rich some day, can confirm.

Also daily reminder that tax cuts without spending cuts are fucking absurd and I will never stop mocking the GOP for it.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:14 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Collatis wrote:Dehumanization is how libertarians sleep at night. That and the calming sound of laboring children.

And why is it that even dirt poor libertarians on welfare talk like that?


Why is it that rich Democrats advocate higher taxes?
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Postby Ism » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:39 pm

Telconi wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:And why is it that even dirt poor libertarians on welfare talk like that?


Why is it that rich Democrats advocate higher taxes?


Because they belief it's the governments role to do x, and for that to happen more taxes are needed. Furthermore, they view themselves as being able to spare proportionally greater amounts of money than most without seriously degrading their quality, and perhaps even improving it by paying more taxes, which may help ease social ills. Alternatively/additionally, they may feel it is their duty to pay back into the system that has clearly benefited them greatly. In any case, it is not at all the same situation, and I'm curious as to why you thought they did.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Collatis wrote:Pretty much. Also, a significant amount of Americans are convinced that they are going to be rich someday. And all those tax cuts for the wealthy will finally pay off!


Am convinced I'll be rich some day, can confirm.

Also daily reminder that tax cuts without spending cuts are fucking absurd and I will never stop mocking the GOP for it.

The best method is no tax cuts while cutting spending. It's a proven way to reduce deficit and debt
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Postby Telconi » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:48 pm

Ism wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Why is it that rich Democrats advocate higher taxes?


Because they belief it's the governments role to do x, and for that to happen more taxes are needed. Furthermore, they view themselves as being able to spare proportionally greater amounts of money than most without seriously degrading their quality, and perhaps even improving it by paying more taxes, which may help ease social ills. Alternatively/additionally, they may feel it is their duty to pay back into the system that has clearly benefited them greatly. In any case, it is not at all the same situation, and I'm curious as to why you thought they did.


It is the same situation, just as some wealthy people believe that it is the government's role to do 'X' some lower income people believe it's the government's goal to stop doing 'X'. Poor people are just as likely to vote against societal ills as wealthy people, and if they see the welfare system as an Ill of society, they'll vote against it.
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-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
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-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Improved werpland » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:55 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Am convinced I'll be rich some day, can confirm.

Also daily reminder that tax cuts without spending cuts are fucking absurd and I will never stop mocking the GOP for it.

The best method is no tax cuts while cutting spending. It's a proven way to reduce deficit and debt

Things have been cut too far. We ought to be raising taxes right now.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:57 pm

Improved werpland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The best method is no tax cuts while cutting spending. It's a proven way to reduce deficit and debt

Things have been cut too far. We ought to be raising taxes right now.

Possibly. Though I will agree that we need to raise taxes
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Postby Keaulcan » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:27 pm

Improved werpland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The best method is no tax cuts while cutting spending. It's a proven way to reduce deficit and debt

Things have been cut too far. We ought to be raising taxes right now.

Did you know that the tax code is as T H I C C as 10 encyclopedias stacked on top of each other?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:27 pm

Keaulcan wrote:
Improved werpland wrote:Things have been cut too far. We ought to be raising taxes right now.

Did you know that the tax code is as T H I C C as 10 encyclopedias stacked on top of each other?

That doesn't mean that we should lower taxes
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:28 pm

Improved werpland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The best method is no tax cuts while cutting spending. It's a proven way to reduce deficit and debt

Things have been cut too far. We ought to be raising taxes right now.


That's the sound of voters flocking to the other party.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:37 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Both. It's a lose-lose situation. Nevertheless, ACA recipients are only doing 'better' through parasitism.

Thats really a dehumanizing phrase.

It's accurate. Whether or not it's dehumanizing is irrelevant.
Improved werpland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The best method is no tax cuts while cutting spending. It's a proven way to reduce deficit and debt

Things have been cut too far. We ought to be raising taxes right now.

Are you the sort who advocates low spending with high taxes to pay off debt, or the type who combines high spending with high taxes?
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Improved werpland wrote:Things have been cut too far. We ought to be raising taxes right now.


That's the sound of voters flocking to the other party.

Music to my ears.
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