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What is your favorite conservative political party?

Poll ended at Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:42 pm

Liberal Party of Australia
1
5%
Democrats (Brazil)
0
No votes
Kuomintang (Taiwan)
7
35%
Republicans (France)
3
15%
Christian Democrat Union (Germany)
3
15%
Liberal Democratic Party (Japan)
2
10%
Liberty Korea Party (South Korea)
1
5%
People's Party (Spain)
0
No votes
Conservative and Unionist Party (United Kingdom)
2
10%
Independent Democratic Union (Chile)
1
5%
 
Total votes : 20

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:13 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Something interesting.

*sigh*
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Keaulcan wrote:Cut taxes, build the wall, end Obamacare, Make America Great Again.


So far I have seen tax credit after tax credit cut, the wall is a waste beacuse most illegals are there on expired visas, Obamacare helps millions like it or not, he has done just the opposite.

Obamacare also hurts millions, like it or not.
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Postby Federation of Timelords » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:15 pm

#RichardNixon2020

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Postby Valrifell » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:17 pm

Federation of Timelords wrote:#RichardNixon2020


Are you insinuating that Donald Trump is in any way like Nixon?

What an insult to Richard Nixon.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:20 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Something interesting.

*sigh*
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
So far I have seen tax credit after tax credit cut, the wall is a waste beacuse most illegals are there on expired visas, Obamacare helps millions like it or not, he has done just the opposite.

Obamacare also hurts millions, like it or not.


Minor hurting via price increase vs giving millions basic health care.

I'd go for basic health care.

Of course the system isn't perfect, i'd rather have you guys on taxpayer funded healthcare.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:37 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:*sigh*

Obamacare also hurts millions, like it or not.


Minor hurting via price increase vs giving millions basic health care.

I'd go for basic health care.

Of course the system isn't perfect, i'd rather have you guys on taxpayer funded healthcare.

It's not just 'minor hurting'. Plenty of people had to succumb to the ACA's fines because they couldn't afford the actual insurance, or businesses have trouble expanding because employee healthcare becomes a concern.
You are downplaying the suffering of many simply because many more are benefiting at their expense.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:55 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Minor hurting via price increase vs giving millions basic health care.

I'd go for basic health care.

Of course the system isn't perfect, i'd rather have you guys on taxpayer funded healthcare.

It's not just 'minor hurting'. Plenty of people had to succumb to the ACA's fines because they couldn't afford the actual insurance, or businesses have trouble expanding because employee healthcare becomes a concern.
You are downplaying the suffering of many simply because many more are benefiting at their expense.

They half to pay a bit more on health insurance or switch to ACA.

Oh noo... it's the end of the world.


Meanwhile people who have had now coverage are now getting the help they needed thanks to ACA.

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Postby Collatis » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:07 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Federation of Timelords wrote:#RichardNixon2020


Are you insinuating that Donald Trump is in any way like Nixon?

What an insult to Richard Nixon.

Trump is a better person than Nixon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:10 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It's not just 'minor hurting'. Plenty of people had to succumb to the ACA's fines because they couldn't afford the actual insurance, or businesses have trouble expanding because employee healthcare becomes a concern.
You are downplaying the suffering of many simply because many more are benefiting at their expense.

They half to pay a bit more on health insurance or switch to ACA.

Oh noo... it's the end of the world.


Meanwhile people who have had now coverage are now getting the help they needed thanks to ACA.

They can't afford the ACA because premiums are skyrocketing. As for paying more with insurance, that is money that would probably better spent on food or clothing or other needs that families tend to have.
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Economic Left/Right: 9.75
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Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Postby Telconi » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:14 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It's not just 'minor hurting'. Plenty of people had to succumb to the ACA's fines because they couldn't afford the actual insurance, or businesses have trouble expanding because employee healthcare becomes a concern.
You are downplaying the suffering of many simply because many more are benefiting at their expense.

They half to pay a bit more on health insurance or switch to ACA.

Oh noo... it's the end of the world.


Meanwhile people who have had now coverage are now getting the help they needed thanks to ACA.


Or they just got driven into literal bankruptcy...
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:15 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:They half to pay a bit more on health insurance or switch to ACA.

Oh noo... it's the end of the world.


Meanwhile people who have had now coverage are now getting the help they needed thanks to ACA.


Or they just got driven into literal bankruptcy...


By purchasing insurance?
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Postby Telconi » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:20 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Or they just got driven into literal bankruptcy...


By purchasing insurance?


No, by medical bills. Which is kinda ironic considering what the ACA was supposed to do...
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-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:21 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:They half to pay a bit more on health insurance or switch to ACA.

Oh noo... it's the end of the world.


Meanwhile people who have had now coverage are now getting the help they needed thanks to ACA.

They can't afford the ACA because premiums are skyrocketing. As for paying more with insurance, that is money that would probably better spent on food or clothing or other needs that families tend to have.

The ACA premiums or the other insurance?

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Postby Valrifell » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:21 pm

Collatis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Are you insinuating that Donald Trump is in any way like Nixon?

What an insult to Richard Nixon.

Trump is a better person than Nixon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


It's really hard to be worse a person than Nixon, but I think Trump at least gives him some competition.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:23 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:They can't afford the ACA because premiums are skyrocketing. As for paying more with insurance, that is money that would probably better spent on food or clothing or other needs that families tend to have.

The ACA premiums or the other insurance?

Both. It's a lose-lose situation. Nevertheless, ACA recipients are only doing 'better' through parasitism.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
By purchasing insurance?


No, by medical bills. Which is kinda ironic considering what the ACA was supposed to do...


Welllll. That's insurance in general. It only goes so far.

If the effort to reward the wealthy get's passed, they will wish for the ACA because medical deductions are gone.....
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Telconi » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:29 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No, by medical bills. Which is kinda ironic considering what the ACA was supposed to do...


Welllll. That's insurance in general. It only goes so far.

If the effort to reward the wealthy get's passed, they will wish for the ACA because medical deductions are gone.....


We didn't have insurance...
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby Collatis » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:15 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Collatis wrote:Trump is a better person than Nixon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


It's really hard to be worse a person than Nixon, but I think Trump at least gives him some competition.

They're both scumbags. We'll see if Trump proves himself worse than Nixon.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:23 pm

Collatis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It's really hard to be worse a person than Nixon, but I think Trump at least gives him some competition.

They're both scumbags. We'll see if Trump proves himself worse than Nixon.

Think of how history would have turned out if Nixon was an infantile buffoon like Trump when he went to China.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:28 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Collatis wrote:They're both scumbags. We'll see if Trump proves himself worse than Nixon.

Think of how history would have turned out if Nixon was an infantile buffoon like Trump when he went to China.

Nixon going to China was a mistake. We never should have forsaken Taiwan or South Vietnam, but like with many things, he was a coward.
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Petrasylvania
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:32 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Think of how history would have turned out if Nixon was an infantile buffoon like Trump when he went to China.

Nixon going to China was a mistake. We never should have forsaken Taiwan or South Vietnam, but like with many things, he was a coward.

Actively propping up either a corrupt Christian plutocratic family that actively oppressed the Buddhist populace or a string of juntas that were too busy infighting to be competent. A ton of money, materials and men spent on What Could Possibly Go Wrong? Brilliant.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

New Flag Courtesy of The Realist Polities

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:36 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Nixon going to China was a mistake. We never should have forsaken Taiwan or South Vietnam, but like with many things, he was a coward.

Actively propping up either a corrupt Christian plutocratic family that actively oppressed the Buddhist populace or a string of juntas that were too busy infighting to be competent. A ton of money, materials and men spent on What Could Possibly Go Wrong? Brilliant.

Diem was assassinated before Nixon. Besides, those juntas would have been preferable than communist tyranny. South Korea and Taiwan are living proof.
Hoppean Libertarian, Acolyte of von Mises, Protector of Our Sacred Liberties
Economic Left/Right: 9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Petrasylvania
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:39 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Actively propping up either a corrupt Christian plutocratic family that actively oppressed the Buddhist populace or a string of juntas that were too busy infighting to be competent. A ton of money, materials and men spent on What Could Possibly Go Wrong? Brilliant.

Diem was assassinated before Nixon. Besides, those juntas would have been preferable than communist tyranny. South Korea and Taiwan are living proof.

There's a distinct lack of consistency in a country that during that period bragged about being a beacon of democracy propping up juntas and dictatorships that brutalize political dissidents like an Olympic sport.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

New Flag Courtesy of The Realist Polities

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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:44 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Diem was assassinated before Nixon. Besides, those juntas would have been preferable than communist tyranny. South Korea and Taiwan are living proof.

There's a distinct lack of consistency in a country that during that period bragged about being a beacon of democracy propping up juntas and dictatorships that brutalize political dissidents like an Olympic sport.


Disapproving of games abroad? That's not like you Gauth

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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:46 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:There's a distinct lack of consistency in a country that during that period bragged about being a beacon of democracy propping up juntas and dictatorships that brutalize political dissidents like an Olympic sport.


Disapproving of games abroad? That's not like you Gauth

It's always fun and games to you until it hits literally close to home.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

New Flag Courtesy of The Realist Polities

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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:47 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Disapproving of games abroad? That's not like you Gauth

It's always fun and games to you until it hits literally close to home.


A non-reply, keep up the good work!

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