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What type of leftist are you?

Left-leaning Centrist
105
13%
Left/Social Liberal
74
9%
Social Democrat
115
14%
Democratic Socialist
139
17%
Marxist Communist
139
17%
Social Anarchist
50
6%
Individualist Anarchist
38
5%
Revolutionary Syndicalist
39
5%
Communalist
27
3%
Other (Please Post)
71
9%
 
Total votes : 797

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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:12 am

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Saiwania wrote:I'm super excited, to some extent anyways. I saw that the Dow today was down 200 points at least temporarily.

Could this be the very first sign of Great Recession II that is starting that will sweep nearly all Republicans out in a tidal wave just in time?


But then the Democrats will take power and ruin your precious white purity :'(


Conquering by the Chinese is inevitable. For Western ethnic nationalism the whiting is alweady on the (gweat) wall.
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Postby Aillyria » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:24 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
But then the Democrats will take power and ruin your precious white purity :'(


Conquering by the Chinese is inevitable. For Western ethnic nationalism the whiting is alweady on the (gweat) wall.

Omg DI, stahp!!! :lol2:

Seriously though, I think the Chinese method is superior to the western one. They've been able to keep a constant margin of rapid development and growth for 30 yrs now. They have the advantage of consistent governance with a longterm vision, while we seesaw back and forth between different party's agendas with messy, incoherent national direction.
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Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Nature-Spirits » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:40 pm

I miss when this thread wasn't mostly neofascists, Ayn Rand fanboys, and neoliberals constructing and attacking their own strawmen.
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Dagashi Shoujo
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Postby Dagashi Shoujo » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:45 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:I miss when this thread wasn't mostly neofascists, Ayn Rand fanboys, and neoliberals constructing and attacking their own strawmen.


Who's the neo-fascist?
Not secretly an Italian war criminal hiding in the Swiss Alps since 1945.

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Dejanic
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Postby Dejanic » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:50 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:I miss when this thread wasn't mostly neofascists, Ayn Rand fanboys, and neoliberals constructing and attacking their own strawmen.

Very few Leftists actually post on this thread. There's probably more who post on the RWDT. Inter-left dialogue is dead here for all intents and purposes.
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Aillyria
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Postby Aillyria » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:07 pm

Dejanic wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:I miss when this thread wasn't mostly neofascists, Ayn Rand fanboys, and neoliberals constructing and attacking their own strawmen.

Very few Leftists actually post on this thread. There's probably more who post on the RWDT. Inter-left dialogue is dead here for all intents and purposes.

That's because over the years NGG's "left" has become an echo chamber with little to actually debate since most of them are ideological clones. They go to the RWDT because there's a differentation in social theory with the regulars there. People like me feel at home in either the LWDT or RWDT, since my ideas are syncretic in nature.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:17 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:I miss when this thread wasn't mostly neofascists, Ayn Rand fanboys, and neoliberals constructing and attacking their own strawmen.

Hey I tried to post here awhile ago but somehow I got accused of being a neo-imperialist racist advocating 'White Man's Burden'
Not even sure how.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:27 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Very few Leftists actually post on this thread. There's probably more who post on the RWDT. Inter-left dialogue is dead here for all intents and purposes.

That's because over the years NGG's "left" has become an echo chamber with little to actually debate since most of them are ideological clones. They go to the RWDT because there's a differentation in social theory with the regulars there. People like me feel at home in either the LWDT or RWDT, since my ideas are syncretic in nature.


A good amount of this. Deviating from the cookie cutter 'correct' view set creates problems.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:34 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:I miss when this thread wasn't mostly neofascists, Ayn Rand fanboys, and neoliberals constructing and attacking their own strawmen.

Hey I tried to post here awhile ago but somehow I got accused of being a neo-imperialist racist advocating 'White Man's Burden'
Not even sure how.

lol yes not sure how

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:36 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:I miss when this thread wasn't mostly neofascists, Ayn Rand fanboys, and neoliberals constructing and attacking their own strawmen.

Hey I tried to post here awhile ago but somehow I got accused of being a neo-imperialist racist advocating 'White Man's Burden'
Not even sure how.

I don't think you're racist in any sense of subscribing to genetic theories or what have you, but you and CM are both crypto-imperialists who want to establish global white hegemony in terms of culture, politics and economics.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:38 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Hey I tried to post here awhile ago but somehow I got accused of being a neo-imperialist racist advocating 'White Man's Burden'
Not even sure how.

I don't think you're racist in any sense of subscribing to genetic theories or what have you, but you and CM are both crypto-imperialists who want to establish global white hegemony in terms of culture, politics and economics.

Why you make shit up?
Also, why is it that someone stating "I think my ideas bring more happiness and stability to us so I'd like to share these ideas with the world." only 'crypto-imperialism when liberals do it?
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The Widening Gyre
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:40 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Very few Leftists actually post on this thread. There's probably more who post on the RWDT. Inter-left dialogue is dead here for all intents and purposes.

That's because over the years NGG's "left" has become an echo chamber with little to actually debate since most of them are ideological clones. They go to the RWDT because there's a differentation in social theory with the regulars there. People like me feel at home in either the LWDT or RWDT, since my ideas are syncretic in nature.


It's a little bit ironic to see an accusation of the left being clones coming from a member of the Anime/Meme Avatar Corporatist Fanclub currently in vogue over there.
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The Parkus Empire
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:40 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I don't think you're racist in any sense of subscribing to genetic theories or what have you, but you and CM are both crypto-imperialists who want to establish global white hegemony in terms of culture, politics and economics.

Why you make shit up?

By "white" I mean white culture, politics and economics, not necessarily people with that skin tone holding all the power.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:41 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's because over the years NGG's "left" has become an echo chamber with little to actually debate since most of them are ideological clones. They go to the RWDT because there's a differentation in social theory with the regulars there. People like me feel at home in either the LWDT or RWDT, since my ideas are syncretic in nature.


It's a little bit ironic to see an accusation of the left being clones coming from a member of the Anime/Meme Avatar Corporatist Fanclub currently in vogue over there.

I feel like this is at least partially directed at me.

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The Parkus Empire
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:42 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's because over the years NGG's "left" has become an echo chamber with little to actually debate since most of them are ideological clones. They go to the RWDT because there's a differentation in social theory with the regulars there. People like me feel at home in either the LWDT or RWDT, since my ideas are syncretic in nature.


It's a little bit ironic to see an accusation of the left being clones coming from a member of the Anime/Meme Avatar Corporatist Fanclub currently in vogue over there.

That club is hardly right-wing.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:42 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Why you make shit up?

By "white" I mean white culture, politics and economics, not necessarily people with that skin tone holding all the power.

I have fucking clue what this means.
But if you're saying that ideals that I hold like liberty and equality are somehow 'white' then that says more about your racial views than mine.

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Postby Aillyria » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:43 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Hey I tried to post here awhile ago but somehow I got accused of being a neo-imperialist racist advocating 'White Man's Burden'
Not even sure how.

I don't think you're racist in any sense of subscribing to genetic theories or what have you, but you and CM are both crypto-imperialists who want to establish global white hegemony in terms of culture, politics and economics.

What's wrong with that? Western culture is, for the most part, superior to that of other cultures. Some form of pan-Western civilization is what should be aspired to for all of humanity. All cultures aren't equal or valuable.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Dejanic » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:43 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's because over the years NGG's "left" has become an echo chamber with little to actually debate since most of them are ideological clones. They go to the RWDT because there's a differentation in social theory with the regulars there. People like me feel at home in either the LWDT or RWDT, since my ideas are syncretic in nature.


It's a little bit ironic to see an accusation of the left being clones coming from a member of the Anime/Meme Avatar Corporatist Fanclub currently in vogue over there.

Yeah. The "national Syndicalist but doesn't know what Syndicalism actually is with edgy fascistic sympathies brigade". I'll continue the one man Left wing anime brigade myself!
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:44 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Conquering by the Chinese is inevitable. For Western ethnic nationalism the whiting is alweady on the (gweat) wall.

Omg DI, stahp!!! :lol2:

Seriously though, I think the Chinese method is superior to the western one. They've been able to keep a constant margin of rapid development and growth for 30 yrs now. They have the advantage of consistent governance with a longterm vision, while we seesaw back and forth between different party's agendas with messy, incoherent national direction.

I prefer not living under an authoritarian government thank you very much.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:45 pm

Aillyria wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I don't think you're racist in any sense of subscribing to genetic theories or what have you, but you and CM are both crypto-imperialists who want to establish global white hegemony in terms of culture, politics and economics.

What's wrong with that? Western culture is, for the most part, superior to that of other cultures. Some form of pan-Western civilization is what should be aspired to for all of humanity. All cultures aren't equal or valuable.

A truism that is too often ignored.
True many cultures have aspects that are both admirable and worthy, but that does not mean that the entirety of a culture is admirable or that all cultures are admirable.
It is also true that the entirety of our own culture isn't necessarily admirable.

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Postby The Widening Gyre » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:45 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Widening Gyre wrote:
It's a little bit ironic to see an accusation of the left being clones coming from a member of the Anime/Meme Avatar Corporatist Fanclub currently in vogue over there.

I feel like this is at least partially directed at me.


Not specifically. tbh it can be a bit hard to tell you lot apart, especially since you change religions/iterations on your ideologies once a week.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:45 pm

Dejanic wrote:
The Widening Gyre wrote:
It's a little bit ironic to see an accusation of the left being clones coming from a member of the Anime/Meme Avatar Corporatist Fanclub currently in vogue over there.

Yeah. The "national Syndicalist but doesn't know what Syndicalism actually is with edgy fascistic sympathies brigade". I'll continue the one man Left wing anime brigade myself!

But its a SYNTHESIS SO IT MUST BE RIGHT

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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:47 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Omg DI, stahp!!! :lol2:

Seriously though, I think the Chinese method is superior to the western one. They've been able to keep a constant margin of rapid development and growth for 30 yrs now. They have the advantage of consistent governance with a longterm vision, while we seesaw back and forth between different party's agendas with messy, incoherent national direction.

I prefer not living under an authoritarian government thank you very much.

this might start a witch hunt, especially in a Left-wing thread, but even more than "under an authoritarian government" I'd rather not live under an Ideological regime.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:48 pm

Aillyria wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I don't think you're racist in any sense of subscribing to genetic theories or what have you, but you and CM are both crypto-imperialists who want to establish global white hegemony in terms of culture, politics and economics.

What's wrong with that? Western culture is, for the most part, superior to that of other cultures. Some form of pan-Western civilization is what should be aspired to for all of humanity. All cultures aren't equal or valuable.

Whether they are or not, does not mean we should turn Western culture into a jihad or crusade.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:48 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I feel like this is at least partially directed at me.


Not specifically. tbh it can be a bit hard to tell you lot apart, especially since you change religions/iterations on your ideologies once a week.

He's not religious at all.
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