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What type of leftist are you?

Left-leaning Centrist
105
13%
Left/Social Liberal
74
9%
Social Democrat
115
14%
Democratic Socialist
139
17%
Marxist Communist
139
17%
Social Anarchist
50
6%
Individualist Anarchist
38
5%
Revolutionary Syndicalist
39
5%
Communalist
27
3%
Other (Please Post)
71
9%
 
Total votes : 797

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Ostroeuropa
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:29 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Crysuko wrote:by practicing the very imperialism they decried

Marxist internationalism is imperialism?


Arguably any set of affairs imposed on a populace by an external force are imperialism, since even if they aim to create an equal relation between the two it will be from the perspective of the victorious power, who will be ignorant of particulars to the local area and its customs.

The MacCarthur rule of Japan is perhaps the best example of foreign occupation not being imperialistic in nature, and that's only if you ignore the defense aspect. Which could theoretically be improved upon utilizing the same model. Though then again, it was Japan which insisted they no longer have an army, provided the US defend them.

MacCarthur did so by being a dictatorial guiding hand akin to a somewhat more powerful and benevolent constiutional monarch, seeking out local japanese to build up their country and only removing or vetoing those who were fascistic as fuck or commies.

Commies moving in even in the best case scenario might be like "We come to liberate, comrades, where is the car manufacturers union? We wish to converse with them." and not paying heed to the fact that while THEIR country chiefly produces cars, the occupied one is a fridge maker, and giving more time to the car manufacturers and such.
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Do you remember the 2012 election where Mitt Romney said Russia was the biggest threat to world peace and Obama and the Democratic establishment mocked him, mere years before they began arguing they had allowed US sovereignty to be usurped on their watch by Russia and this is why the other side was unfit to govern?
That's alright, neither do they apparently.

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Cekoviu
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Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cekoviu » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:30 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Are you serious or joking right now? I honestly can't tell.

If the revolution doesn't spread it will die.

Good.
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El Hamidah
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Posts: 536
Founded: Nov 26, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby El Hamidah » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:30 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
El Hamidah wrote:Who cares what Egoists think.

All nominalists obviously should.

Good thing I'm not a nominalist
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Genivaria
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Genivaria » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:32 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Now you get it.

What about liberal internationalism?

Considering that it doesn't propose the conquest of foreign peoples and territory...no.
General Sherman did nothing wrong, fact.
Liberal Social Democrat.

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El Hamidah
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Founded: Nov 26, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby El Hamidah » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:33 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Crysuko wrote:by practicing the very imperialism they decried

Marxist internationalism is imperialism?

Nationalist expansionism is.
put my grasses on, everything went wrong

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Genivaria
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Founded: Mar 29, 2011
Moralistic Democracy

Postby Genivaria » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:36 pm

El Hamidah wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Marxist internationalism is imperialism?

Nationalist expansionism is.

Not really.
Empire by definition is the rule over different cultures and people's.
The Roman Republic was expansionist, but wasn't really Imperial until it expanded into Spain and North Africa.
General Sherman did nothing wrong, fact.
Liberal Social Democrat.

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The Parkus Empire
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Posts: 43030
Founded: Sep 12, 2005
Ex-Nation

Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:36 pm

El Hamidah wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Marxist internationalism is imperialism?

Nationalist expansionism is.

What about Marxist expansionism?
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Crysuko
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Crysuko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:40 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
El Hamidah wrote:Nationalist expansionism is.

What about Marxist expansionism?

Marxism is about spreading the revolution to the international stage, not grabbing for land and power.
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

¡A Las Barricades!

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The New Sea Territory
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Posts: 16992
Founded: Dec 13, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:41 pm

No response on the Makhno stuff it seems.

Anyway, I've begun translating some of his essays. It's an interesting process. I might see if, over the next few months, I can put together a collection of either Makhnovist or broadly Russian anarchist essays.
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The Parkus Empire
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Founded: Sep 12, 2005
Ex-Nation

Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:41 pm

El Hamidah wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:All nominalists obviously should.

Good thing I'm not a nominalist

You said "who cares" not "I don't care"
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Crysuko
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Founded: Feb 26, 2013
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Crysuko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:42 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:No response on the Makhno stuff it seems.

Anyway, I've begun translating some of his essays. It's an interesting process. I might see if, over the next few months, I can put together a collection of either Makhnovist or broadly Russian anarchist essays.

that would be pretty nice
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

¡A Las Barricades!

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The Parkus Empire
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Posts: 43030
Founded: Sep 12, 2005
Ex-Nation

Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:48 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:What about liberal internationalism?

Considering that it doesn't propose the conquest of foreign peoples and territory...no.

Economically it does. Owning land has not been the focal point of wealth for a long time now.
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Crysuko
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Founded: Feb 26, 2013
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Crysuko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:12 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Considering that it doesn't propose the conquest of foreign peoples and territory...no.

Economically it does. Owning land has not been the focal point of wealth for a long time now.

it's not as much owning land as exploiting the people working on it
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

¡A Las Barricades!

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The Parkus Empire
Post Czar
 
Posts: 43030
Founded: Sep 12, 2005
Ex-Nation

Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:16 pm

Crysuko wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Economically it does. Owning land has not been the focal point of wealth for a long time now.

it's not as much owning land as exploiting the people working on it

Then do not give them a job, problem solved.
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Genivaria
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Founded: Mar 29, 2011
Moralistic Democracy

Postby Genivaria » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:25 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Considering that it doesn't propose the conquest of foreign peoples and territory...no.

Economically it does. Owning land has not been the focal point of wealth for a long time now.

So then not Imperialism, that's called Capitalism.
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General Sherman did nothing wrong, fact.
Liberal Social Democrat.

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Kubra
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Posts: 11038
Founded: Apr 15, 2006
Libertarian Police State

Postby Kubra » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:26 pm

Proctopeo wrote:

In Kaiserreich, syndicalists have the tendency to show up when things are bad and make things even worse.
the problem is solved by playing as syndicalists
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
-Comrade Posadas

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The Parkus Empire
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Posts: 43030
Founded: Sep 12, 2005
Ex-Nation

Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:29 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Economically it does. Owning land has not been the focal point of wealth for a long time now.

So then not Imperialism, that's called Capitalism.

Neocolonialism is a form of capitalism, yeqh
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Crysuko
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Posts: 4696
Founded: Feb 26, 2013
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Crysuko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:42 pm

Kubra wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:In Kaiserreich, syndicalists have the tendency to show up when things are bad and make things even worse.
the problem is solved by playing as syndicalists

Or better yet, be an actual syndicalist :^)
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

¡A Las Barricades!

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Improved werpland
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Posts: 1109
Founded: May 02, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Improved werpland » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:07 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:No response on the Makhno stuff it seems.

Anyway, I've begun translating some of his essays. It's an interesting process. I might see if, over the next few months, I can put together a collection of either Makhnovist or broadly Russian anarchist essays.

Someone hasn't done that already?

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Proctopeo
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Founded: Sep 26, 2016
Anarchy

Postby Proctopeo » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:51 pm

Kubra wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:In Kaiserreich, syndicalists have the tendency to show up when things are bad and make things even worse.
the problem is solved by playing as syndicalists

The problem is solved by playing as Huey Long and going on a crusade against the syndies while making every man a king!
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Crockerland wrote:Yes, we are aware, the Israelis protect their civilians with weapons while the Palestinians protect their weapons with civilians.

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Kubra
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Founded: Apr 15, 2006
Libertarian Police State

Postby Kubra » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:54 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Kubra wrote: the problem is solved by playing as syndicalists

The problem is solved by playing as Huey Long and going on a crusade against the syndies while making every man a king!
until they show up when things are bad and make things even worse
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
-Comrade Posadas

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Crysuko
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Founded: Feb 26, 2013
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Crysuko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:56 pm

Kubra wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:The problem is solved by playing as Huey Long and going on a crusade against the syndies while making every man a king!
until they show up when things are bad and make things even worse

in an endless cycle
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

¡A Las Barricades!

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Proctopeo
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7915
Founded: Sep 26, 2016
Anarchy

Postby Proctopeo » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:58 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Kubra wrote: until they show up when things are bad and make things even worse

in an endless cycle

when every man is a king, syndicalism won't need to exist
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Crockerland wrote:Yes, we are aware, the Israelis protect their civilians with weapons while the Palestinians protect their weapons with civilians.

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Crysuko
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Posts: 4696
Founded: Feb 26, 2013
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Crysuko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:00 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Crysuko wrote:in an endless cycle

when every man is a king, syndicalism won't need to exist

>when
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

¡A Las Barricades!

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Kubra
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Posts: 11038
Founded: Apr 15, 2006
Libertarian Police State

Postby Kubra » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:02 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Crysuko wrote:in an endless cycle

when every man is a king, syndicalism won't need to exist
Well I get to have vassal dukes
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
-Comrade Posadas

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