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What type of leftist are you?

Left-leaning Centrist
105
13%
Left/Social Liberal
74
9%
Social Democrat
115
14%
Democratic Socialist
139
17%
Marxist Communist
139
17%
Social Anarchist
50
6%
Individualist Anarchist
38
5%
Revolutionary Syndicalist
39
5%
Communalist
27
3%
Other (Please Post)
71
9%
 
Total votes : 797

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:17 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I'm currently reading the Bible. It's so boring it's toxic.

It has quite interesting parts tbf.

True, especially in the Old Testament (when it's not talking about genealogy).
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:18 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:He's annoyed that you posit your particular brand of leftism as "true" leftism, while sort of dismissing all dissent as lacking sufficient authority.


I have never done anything of the sort. Never. As I have said many times, I put left refoundation and left regroupment ahead of Luxemburgism.

However, as a sociologist, I am quite good at reading people, their stories, etc.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:18 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I'm currently reading the Bible. It's so boring it's toxic.

It has quite interesting parts tbf.

I enjoy reading the Old Testament quite a bit.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:19 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
RosaLuxem wrote:Sarcasm noted. Perhaps take this as constructive criticism so that you may better impart your knowledge upon others at large.


Point: I don't take anything I read in this thread as constructive criticism. I came here with the best of intentions. I now see where I am.

I think most of us endeavour to come here to debate, logically and with good faith. You're throwing a bit of a tantrum now after being called out for being condescending and elitist, but I'm sure you'd be very welcome here if you changed tack.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:20 pm

RosaLuxem wrote:This is a pretty unhealthy attitude to have, especially going forwards.


No, it is very healthy having an unhealthy attitude about unhealthy places, which I why I am now leaving this thread for good.

Bye, bye.
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:21 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:He's annoyed that you posit your particular brand of leftism as "true" leftism, while sort of dismissing all dissent as lacking sufficient authority.


I have never done anything of the sort. Never. As I have said many times, I put left refoundation and left regroupment ahead of Luxemburgism.

However, as a sociologist, I am quite good at reading people, their stories, etc.

And from what I’ve read on you I can already tell you hide behind a lot of labels and bright, flashy colors to make up for the fact that you have basically nothing relevant to say.
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Postby RosaLuxem » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:22 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
RosaLuxem wrote:This is a pretty unhealthy attitude to have, especially going forwards.


No, it is very healthy having an unhealthy attitude about unhealthy places, which I why I am now leaving this thread for good.

Bye, bye.
Your loss mate.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:23 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
RosaLuxem wrote:This is a pretty unhealthy attitude to have, especially going forwards.


No, it is very healthy having an unhealthy attitude about unhealthy places, which I why I am now leaving this thread for good.

Bye, bye.

That is a shame, I was hoping you'd change what many regard as your unhealthy behaviour, not leave the thread for good. Keeping with my beliefs I am never fond of ostracising people, driving them away or holding grudges. Best of luck in future endeavours and feel free to return when you see fit.
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Postby Sanctissima » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:25 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:

Barely more than a dozen, as a matter of fact.

People really overestimate how many followers Jesus had during his lifetime. His mass popularity came after his death, largely due to the work of his apostles, with Paul in particular having played a huge role in introducing Christianity to the Graeco-Roman world. Incidentally, this was also due to laxing standards and dumbing down the initial message.



And... I just realized you're talking about his apostles and not Jesus per se. Well shit, now I feel stupid.

Ah well, I'm posting this anyway.

It always cracks me up that people think Christ's apostles and a few women were his only disciples. He taught massive crowds and was followed by them.


Mate, he wasn't even considered important enough during his lifetime for the Romans to bother recording his death. They just crucified him and left him to die like a common Jewish zealot.

I realize he's your messiah/god, but this understanding of him as some kind of populist preacher is extremely ahistorical and the product of later theologians with a propensity for exaggerating the truth.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:26 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
RosaLuxem wrote:This is a pretty unhealthy attitude to have, especially going forwards.


No, it is very healthy having an unhealthy attitude about unhealthy places, which I why I am now leaving this thread for good.

Bye, bye.

Throwing the pacifier out of the stroller really isn't a good way to prove everyone wrong...
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:26 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
RosaLuxem wrote:This is a pretty unhealthy attitude to have, especially going forwards.


No, it is very healthy having an unhealthy attitude about unhealthy places, which I why I am now leaving this thread for good.

Bye, bye.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:27 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:He's annoyed that you posit your particular brand of leftism as "true" leftism, while sort of dismissing all dissent as lacking sufficient authority.


I have never done anything of the sort. Never. As I have said many times, I put left refoundation and left regroupment ahead of Luxemburgism.

However, as a sociologist, I am quite good at reading people, their stories, etc.

Well that is how you are perceived
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Postby Sanctissima » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:28 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
RosaLuxem wrote:This is a pretty unhealthy attitude to have, especially going forwards.


No, it is very healthy having an unhealthy attitude about unhealthy places, which I why I am now leaving this thread for good.

Bye, bye.


Y'know, it's okay to admire you're wrong.

At the very least, it's considerably more honourable than throwing the intellectual equivalent of a temper tantrum.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:29 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I'm currently reading the Bible. It's so boring it's toxic.

It has quite interesting parts tbf.

Like the sex
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:30 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:It has quite interesting parts tbf.

True, especially in the Old Testament (when it's not talking about genealogy).

Where did you start?
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:31 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:It has quite interesting parts tbf.

Like the sex

Ezekiel 23:20.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:33 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:True, especially in the Old Testament (when it's not talking about genealogy).

Where did you start?

Uh, I think it was a few chapters into Genesis and I'm in Exodus now. It's for a project that requires that I take a long time to do it.
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:35 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Where did you start?

Uh, I think it was a few chapters into Genesis and I'm in Exodus now. It's for a project that requires that I take a long time to do it.

For personal reading I would start with the Gospels. John is my favorite. :3
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:40 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:It has quite interesting parts tbf.

Like the sex

Mfw a gay man says this

Mfw I have no face
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:01 pm

Cekoviu wrote:I'm currently reading the Bible. It's so boring it's toxic.


1 Adam, Seth, Enosh, 2 Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, 3 Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, 4 Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth.

5 The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and Tiras. 6 The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, [a]Diphath, and Togarmah. 7 The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim and [b]Rodanim.

8 The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Put.....


Yeah, it's a bit of a slog at times :P particularly the Old Testament for me. I've read through the Gospels and the Epistles easily enough, but I've never read the Old Testament cover-to-cover.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:06 pm

RosaLuxem wrote:Good comparison actually. How many Christians can say they have read the Bible critically front to end and still retain much of the knowledge it imparts? Even priests have to constantly re-read it and it's their job to lead the religion.


Well, if Islam has people who can memorize the entire Qur'an by heart, I imagine there are Christians who can recall much of the Bible by heart.
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Postby Aillyria » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:56 pm

Well, those last few pages were sure entertaining to read. You guys chased old man DCF outta the LWDT, intriguing indeed. Though, I doubt his revolutionary fervor will allow him to stay away for long.....though, perhaps now would be a great time to please, for the love of God (swt), let's come to a gentlemen's (and ladies' too) agreement to make mentioning SJW~Intersectionality~Feminism taboo here.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:20 am

Aillyria wrote:Well, those last few pages were sure entertaining to read. You guys chased old man DCF outta the LWDT, intriguing indeed. Though, I doubt his revolutionary fervor will allow him to stay away for long.....though, perhaps now would be a great time to please, for the love of God (swt), let's come to a gentlemen's (and ladies' too) agreement to make mentioning SJW~Intersectionality~Feminism taboo here.

Who keeps mentioning it?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:01 am

Aillyria wrote:Well, those last few pages were sure entertaining to read. You guys chased old man DCF outta the LWDT, intriguing indeed. Though, I doubt his revolutionary fervor will allow him to stay away for long.....though, perhaps now would be a great time to please, for the love of God (swt), let's come to a gentlemen's (and ladies' too) agreement to make mentioning SJW~Intersectionality~Feminism taboo here.


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