Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

[Bakery Hill]

Looking at some of these posts I realise why many rank and file unionists in your country are so right wing.

It's almost like folks don't like having their interests dictated from on high by uppity "intellectuals"...

Naw, that can't be it...

But it's curious that this is almost a peculiarly American problem? I'm sorry but maybe you have the worst "intellectuals"?

[Telconi]

Anyone else a union member sweating the big Janus v AFSCME case? The SC is pretty right leaning right now and this will represent another serious blow to labor.

Sadly, I live in the open-shop state of Kansas. My union, the National Education Association (the largest union in the U.S. for those who do not know), already has minimal power. We negotiate, through the NEA, our salaries, but there is no binding arbitration, and striking is illegal (not that it would necessarily stop me).

NEA has binding arbitration agreements in some areas, perhaps not where you're at.

[Telconi]

It's almost like folks don't like having their interests dictated from on high by uppity "intellectuals"...

Naw, that can't be it...

But it's curious that this is almost a peculiarly American problem? I'm sorry but maybe you have the worst "intellectuals"?

Or the worst leftists...

[Bakery Hill]

But it's curious that this is almost a peculiarly American problem? I'm sorry but maybe you have the worst "intellectuals"?

Or the worst leftists...

This is also possible.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

How condescending. And I suppose you class yourself as an authority on the matter, since you are looking down your nose at everyone from on high? It is exactly this kind of dogmatic book-bashing that gives the left at large a bad name, and alienates the working class.

Condescending? I believe you have it backwards. I am referring to the comments by a single person which, to be honest, do, IMO, give the Left a bad name. So why are you involving yourself in the issue?

As to being an authority, I only consider myself to be an authority on Ṭarīqaẗ ʾal–Qādiriyyaẗ ʾal–Sar°wariyyaẗ. If you don't know what that is, that should tell you how narrow a subject it is.

[Cekoviu]

How condescending. And I suppose you class yourself as an authority on the matter, since you are looking down your nose at everyone from on high? It is exactly this kind of dogmatic book-bashing that gives the left at large a bad name, and alienates the working class.

Condescending? I believe you have it backwards. I am referring to the comments by a single person which, to be honest, do, IMO, give the Left a bad name. So why are you involving yourself in the issue?

As to being an authority, I only consider myself to be an authority on Ṭarīqaẗ ʾal–Qādiriyyaẗ ʾal–Sar°wariyyaẗ. If you don't know what that is, that should tell you how narrow a subject it is.

I googled it and nothing came up except for your websites and NationStates. What is that?

[Bakery Hill]

How condescending. And I suppose you class yourself as an authority on the matter, since you are looking down your nose at everyone from on high? It is exactly this kind of dogmatic book-bashing that gives the left at large a bad name, and alienates the working class.

Condescending? I believe you have it backwards. I am referring to the comments by a single person which, to be honest, do, IMO, give the Left a bad name. So why are you involving yourself in the issue?

As to being an authority, I only consider myself to be an authority on Ṭarīqaẗ ʾal–Qādiriyyaẗ ʾal–Sar°wariyyaẗ. If you don't know what that is, that should tell you how narrow a subject it is.

Probably because he's a professor and you're giving professors a bad name.

[Bakery Hill]

Condescending? I believe you have it backwards. I am referring to the comments by a single person which, to be honest, do, IMO, give the Left a bad name. So why are you involving yourself in the issue?

As to being an authority, I only consider myself to be an authority on Ṭarīqaẗ ʾal–Qādiriyyaẗ ʾal–Sar°wariyyaẗ. If you don't know what that is, that should tell you how narrow a subject it is.

I googled it and nothing came up except for your websites and NationStates. What is that?

It's his own Sufi order he made up. Which is probably even a little bit offensive tbh.

[Ostroeuropa]

Condescending? I believe you have it backwards. I am referring to the comments by a single person which, to be honest, do, IMO, give the Left a bad name. So why are you involving yourself in the issue?

As to being an authority, I only consider myself to be an authority on Ṭarīqaẗ ʾal–Qādiriyyaẗ ʾal–Sar°wariyyaẗ. If you don't know what that is, that should tell you how narrow a subject it is.

I googled it and nothing came up except for your websites and NationStates. What is that?

Looks like some religious sect akin to the Manicheans or Hussites.
Collectivism and communism blended with spiritualism.

And suddenly the attitude makes sense. He's a religious ideologue.

[The Liberated Territories]

Yes, Rosa proved to be accurate on that issue.

I still think the international capitalist paradigm is heading relatively in the expected direction. Their debt fueled economy, linked to imaginary profit, is having increasingly difficulty maintaining itself, and the façade of liberal democracy's supposed liberties will become more apparent. The march towards international totalitarianism continues.

^^thiss

[Telconi]

I googled it and nothing came up except for your websites and NationStates. What is that?

It's his own Sufi order he made up. Which is probably even a little bit offensive tbh.

>"I'm not condescending"

Also...

>"I was an expert in this super narrow field that you've never ever heard of before it was cool"

[Bakery Hill]

I still think the international capitalist paradigm is heading relatively in the expected direction. Their debt fueled economy, linked to imaginary profit, is having increasingly difficulty maintaining itself, and the façade of liberal democracy's supposed liberties will become more apparent. The march towards international totalitarianism continues.

^^thiss

Welcome to the party comrade.

[The Liberated Territories]

^^thiss

Welcome to the party comrade.

Mises-chan showed me the evils of international finance, and now I am a socialist.

[Bakery Hill]

Welcome to the party comrade.

Mises-chan showed me the evils of international finance, and now I am a socialist.

Hey all roads lead to Rome.

[The Liberated Territories]

Mises-chan showed me the evils of international finance, and now I am a socialist.

Hey all roads lead to Rome.

Except for the one that leads to serfdom. :^)

[The New California Republic]

How condescending. And I suppose you class yourself as an authority on the matter, since you are looking down your nose at everyone from on high? It is exactly this kind of dogmatic book-bashing that gives the left at large a bad name, and alienates the working class.

Condescending? I believe you have it backwards. I am referring to the comments by a single person which, to be honest, do, IMO, give the Left a bad name. So why are you involving yourself in the issue?

Uhm, because this is an open discussion forum?

Also, yes, you were being just a tad condescending. No, I don't have it backwards.

[Trotskylvania]

I agree on the diagnosis. Now socialists and communists need to provide the solution.

Communists are an albatross around the neck of the socialist movement. We're better off without them and denouncing them, as well as state socialists.

There is no point in trying to conceal intentions or rebrand. We are against capital and state. We will be denounced as communists regardless. There is no point in prevarication. It will only be seen as inauthentic at best and sinister at the worst.

[RosaLuxem]

Yeah Lenin disagreed with Rose Luxemburg on the national question, and he knew quite a bit about Marxism. You're a condescending elitist who knows far less about Marxism than a fair few regulars to this thread. Debate or go away, stop whinging and bignoting yourself.

What a convenient posting: Using an ad hominem attack to cover up your own lack of knowledge.

But I mean, he's not wrong. And if I wanted to I could easily provide evidence that it is not an uncommon opinion for those who have interacted with you in the past.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I googled it and nothing came up except for your websites and NationStates. What is that?

A Sufi sub-sect.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Probably because he's a professor and you're giving professors a bad name.

You know man, I liked you originally. What's your problem? Seriously. Don't you have anything better to do with your time than troll college professors.

Oh, I'm sorry, you are about to call me an intellectual elitist because I referred to myself by professor. Really. It won't happen again. You believe me, right?

[Bakery Hill]

Communists are an albatross around the neck of the socialist movement. We're better off without them and denouncing them, as well as state socialists.

There is no point in trying to conceal intentions or rebrand. We are against capital and state. We will be denounced as communists regardless. There is no point in prevarication. It will only be seen as inauthentic at best and sinister at the worst.

Tbf I don't think he's talking about denouncing his own beliefs, just yours.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

It's his own Sufi order he made up. Which is probably even a little bit offensive tbh.

No, unfortunately, I am not Ḥaḍ°rat Sul°ṭān Bāhū. He lived in the 17ᵗʰ century. However, I thank you for the unintended compliment.

[RosaLuxem]

Oh, I'm sorry, you are about to call me an intellectual elitist because I referred to myself by professor.

That's not it at all. There are a number of academics here, left and right, who people wouldn't normally call elitist. It's not that you are a professor.

[West Leas Oros]

I think physical infighting between different socialist tendencies should be postponed til after a successful revolution.

Let's be fair. You're all going in the canal unless you permanently postpone the revolution and join with the socdems under the flag of reform, nation, and order :^)

I agree with this completely. Except for the part about SocDems. Switch Soc and Dem around and it’s perfect. Reform,nation, and order means no one has to die.

[Bakery Hill]

Probably because he's a professor and you're giving professors a bad name.

You know man, I liked you originally. What's your problem? Seriously. Don't you have anything better to do with your time than troll college professors.

Oh, I'm sorry, you are about to call me an intellectual elitist because I referred to myself by professor. Really. It won't happen again. You believe me, right?

The problem is you've behaved very condescendingly towards me and other posters. Reflecting a little on your own behaviour and people's criticisms of it, especially if they tend to correlate, might be a good idea. This damages not just your own relationships with people but, given the position you are in, other people's relationship with the left.