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What type of leftist are you?

Left-leaning Centrist
105
13%
Left/Social Liberal
74
9%
Social Democrat
115
14%
Democratic Socialist
139
17%
Marxist Communist
139
17%
Social Anarchist
50
6%
Individualist Anarchist
38
5%
Revolutionary Syndicalist
39
5%
Communalist
27
3%
Other (Please Post)
71
9%
 
Total votes : 797

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:18 pm

Cekoviu wrote:Socialism is open only to the bourgeoisie and academics, it is not a movement of the proletariat.


Does anti-intellectualism make you feel important?
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:19 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:How are these exclusive in any way? If Indian peasants can read Marx, Lenin, and Mao, there's no reason anyone else can't.

What is the literacy rate of literal peasants?

Tripura and Kerala, both controlled by the Communist Party of India have either the top two or very close to it literacy rates of all states in India. But I don't really follow your logic. You can read, therefore you can read theory.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:20 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:I never suggested such


Okay, then my apologies.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:23 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:What is the literacy rate of literal peasants?

Tripura and Kerala, both controlled by the Communist Party of India have either the top two or very close to it literacy rates of all states in India. But I don't really follow your logic. You can read, therefore you can read theory.

I can, but I fail to see why I have to read academic theory to support the laborers owning the means of production
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:29 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Socialism is open only to the bourgeoisie and academics, it is not a movement of the proletariat.


Does anti-intellectualism make you feel important?

Lol, I'm very much opposed to anti-intellectualism. The joke was about socialism, not academics.
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Postby S i t k a » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:33 pm

Hello.

Not sure if I'll be saying much on this thread, but I think I'll keep an eye on it in case I ever have anything to say.
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Postby New Emeline » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:36 pm

S i t k a wrote:Hello.

Not sure if I'll be saying much on this thread, but I think I'll keep an eye on it in case I ever have anything to say.

Hello to you too. :hug:

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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:37 pm

New Emeline wrote:
S i t k a wrote:Hello.

Not sure if I'll be saying much on this thread, but I think I'll keep an eye on it in case I ever have anything to say.

Hello to you too. :hug:

Hugs are banned. They detract from the tension and anger in this thread.
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Postby S i t k a » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:39 pm

New Emeline wrote:
S i t k a wrote:Hello.

Not sure if I'll be saying much on this thread, but I think I'll keep an eye on it in case I ever have anything to say.

Hello to you too. :hug:

Perhaps belong here, perhaps I don't. I'm not sure if I consider myself left-wing or not.

We need a wishy-washy indecisive people discussion thread, or something like that.
The United Settlements of Sitka - the land of friendly vampires, camaraderie, and cloudberry pie
A small corner of the world in 1872. Set in the world of the video game 80 Days, with supernatural beings mixed in. Several factbooks need to be redone.
I'm socially awkward sometimes, and bad at keeping up with things due to life's hecticness, so I might not always be the best at roleplays etc.
The Times: Englishman Phileas Fogg departs London, having bet £20,000 that he can circumnavigate the globe in 80 days.
Local News: Karl Marx visits Sitka, is "impressed".

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Postby New Emeline » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:39 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Hello to you too. :hug:

Hugs are banned. They detract from the tension and anger in this thread.

Comrade, why must you be this way? Hugs should be shared along with all other resources :hug:

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Postby New Emeline » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:39 pm

S i t k a wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Hello to you too. :hug:

Perhaps belong here, perhaps I don't. I'm not sure if I consider myself left-wing or not.

We need a wishy-washy indecisive people discussion thread, or something like that.

There's a centrist thread somewhere around here.

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Postby S i t k a » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:40 pm

New Emeline wrote:
S i t k a wrote:Perhaps belong here, perhaps I don't. I'm not sure if I consider myself left-wing or not.

We need a wishy-washy indecisive people discussion thread, or something like that.

There's a centrist thread somewhere around here.

Probably. I was just trying to be funny.

And besides, the centrist thread doesn't have that 'Committee for Proletarian Degeneracy' I saw here once. :p
The United Settlements of Sitka - the land of friendly vampires, camaraderie, and cloudberry pie
A small corner of the world in 1872. Set in the world of the video game 80 Days, with supernatural beings mixed in. Several factbooks need to be redone.
I'm socially awkward sometimes, and bad at keeping up with things due to life's hecticness, so I might not always be the best at roleplays etc.
The Times: Englishman Phileas Fogg departs London, having bet £20,000 that he can circumnavigate the globe in 80 days.
Local News: Karl Marx visits Sitka, is "impressed".

Ask questions about this strange place! ---- Make the Ram's Head Saloon great again!

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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:41 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Tripura and Kerala, both controlled by the Communist Party of India have either the top two or very close to it literacy rates of all states in India. But I don't really follow your logic. You can read, therefore you can read theory.

I can, but I fail to see why I have to read academic theory to support the laborers owning the means of production

You don't at all.

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Postby New Emeline » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:41 pm

S i t k a wrote:
New Emeline wrote:There's a centrist thread somewhere around here.

Probably. I was just trying to be funny.

And besides, the centrist thread doesn't have that 'Committee for Proletarian Degeneracy' I saw here once. :p

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:42 pm

Cekoviu wrote:Lol, I'm very much opposed to anti-intellectualism. The joke was about socialism, not academics.


Okay, perhaps I should just go to bed.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:43 pm

S i t k a wrote:
New Emeline wrote:There's a centrist thread somewhere around here.

Probably. I was just trying to be funny.

And besides, the centrist thread doesn't have that 'Committee for Proletarian Degeneracy' I saw here once. :p

Just to be clear, you don't mean the evil Committee for Proletarian Morality, right? We can be friends if you don't.
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Postby S i t k a » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:44 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
S i t k a wrote:Probably. I was just trying to be funny.

And besides, the centrist thread doesn't have that 'Committee for Proletarian Degeneracy' I saw here once. :p

Just to be clear, you don't mean the evil Committee for Proletarian Morality, right? We can be friends if you don't.

Of course not. I would never associate with such persnickety bourgeoisie capitalists.
The United Settlements of Sitka - the land of friendly vampires, camaraderie, and cloudberry pie
A small corner of the world in 1872. Set in the world of the video game 80 Days, with supernatural beings mixed in. Several factbooks need to be redone.
I'm socially awkward sometimes, and bad at keeping up with things due to life's hecticness, so I might not always be the best at roleplays etc.
The Times: Englishman Phileas Fogg departs London, having bet £20,000 that he can circumnavigate the globe in 80 days.
Local News: Karl Marx visits Sitka, is "impressed".

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Postby Liriena » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:44 pm

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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:46 pm

S i t k a wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Just to be clear, you don't mean the evil Committee for Proletarian Morality, right? We can be friends if you don't.

Of course not. I would never associate with such persnickety bourgeoisie capitalists.

Ah, good. Welcome to the fold, ☭ ☭ ☭ c o m r a d e ☭ ☭ ☭.
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Postby Aillyria » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:47 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's a colourful way of saying that you're too black and white in your thinking, not an ad hominem attack.


Sick in the head means I engage in black-and-white thinking?

No. My opposition to nationalism comes from Rosa Luxemburg, perhaps the most fervent opponent of nationalism among the early communists. I am a Luxemburgist and, in many respects, I think like her.

Many people in this thread claim to be communists or socialists. Yet, they don't even know the basics.

I've read works by Sorel (obviously), Proudhon, Bakunin, and Marx....so I know a great deal more than the basics of socialism, thank you very much. I'd say Sorel has played the same role for me as Luxembourg has for you.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:48 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Sick in the head means I engage in black-and-white thinking?

No. My opposition to nationalism comes from Rosa Luxemburg, perhaps the most fervent opponent of nationalism among the early communists. I am a Luxemburgist and, in many respects, I think like her.

Many people in this thread claim to be communists or socialists. Yet, they don't even know the basics.

I've read works by Sorel (obviously), Proudhon, Bakunin, and Marx....so I know a great deal more than the basics of socialism, thank you very much. I'd say Sorel has played the same role for me as Luxembourg has for you.

Switzerland personally played a much larger role in my views than Luxembourg, but Monaco is even further down on that list.
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Postby S i t k a » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:49 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
S i t k a wrote:Of course not. I would never associate with such persnickety bourgeoisie capitalists.

Ah, good. Welcome to the fold, ☭ ☭ ☭ c o m r a d e ☭ ☭ ☭.

later...

"Dad, I think I accidentally defected to the Soviet Union or something last night."
The United Settlements of Sitka - the land of friendly vampires, camaraderie, and cloudberry pie
A small corner of the world in 1872. Set in the world of the video game 80 Days, with supernatural beings mixed in. Several factbooks need to be redone.
I'm socially awkward sometimes, and bad at keeping up with things due to life's hecticness, so I might not always be the best at roleplays etc.
The Times: Englishman Phileas Fogg departs London, having bet £20,000 that he can circumnavigate the globe in 80 days.
Local News: Karl Marx visits Sitka, is "impressed".

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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:50 pm

S i t k a wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Ah, good. Welcome to the fold, ☭ ☭ ☭ c o m r a d e ☭ ☭ ☭.

later...

"Dad, I think I accidentally defected to the Soviet Union or something last night."

Конечно, мы не Советы, что может дать вам эту идею?
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Postby S i t k a » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:52 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
S i t k a wrote:later...

"Dad, I think I accidentally defected to the Soviet Union or something last night."

Конечно, мы не Советы, что может дать вам эту идею?

Heh heh.

But seriously, one of these days I should start carrying a copy of the Communist Manifesto or something around the house and see what my dad does.

Then again, he's used to my antics at this point and probably wouldn't bat an eye.
The United Settlements of Sitka - the land of friendly vampires, camaraderie, and cloudberry pie
A small corner of the world in 1872. Set in the world of the video game 80 Days, with supernatural beings mixed in. Several factbooks need to be redone.
I'm socially awkward sometimes, and bad at keeping up with things due to life's hecticness, so I might not always be the best at roleplays etc.
The Times: Englishman Phileas Fogg departs London, having bet £20,000 that he can circumnavigate the globe in 80 days.
Local News: Karl Marx visits Sitka, is "impressed".

Ask questions about this strange place! ---- Make the Ram's Head Saloon great again!

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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:54 pm

S i t k a wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Конечно, мы не Советы, что может дать вам эту идею?

Heh heh.

But seriously, one of these days I should start carrying a copy of the Communist Manifesto or something around the house and see what my dad does.

Then again, he's used to my antics at this point and probably wouldn't bat an eye.

For some light reading that will get past his scrutiny, read The Conquest of Bread. Tell him it's a cookbook if he asks. :twisted:
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