Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

[Aillyria]

You said they have no food, shelter, money or job. The overwhelming majority have all of these. The problem with transition is more social than material.

Don't disagree that there's a lot of social issues as well, but stating that they are well-fed, all employed, and all in adequate housing is not in any way true.

What are you talking about? Mama Merkel takes care of her welfare babies.

[Bakery Hill]

You said they have no food, shelter, money or job. The overwhelming majority have all of these. The problem with transition is more social than material.

Don't disagree that there's a lot of social issues as well, but stating that they are well-fed, all employed, and all in adequate housing is not in any way true.

Some certainly are not. Many certainly are. Migrants in Europe aren't living in Dadab. Many have well paying jobs and small businesses?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Don't disagree that there's a lot of social issues as well, but stating that they are well-fed, all employed, and all in adequate housing is not in any way true.

What are you talking about? Mama Merkel takes care of her welfare babies.

Don't know you well enough to know which way your sarcasm swings. So I'm gonna... go to the store.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Is the Immigration from the middle east and north Africa actually harming Europe, or is it just an alt-right lie?

Man it's almost as
there are good things and bad things

Mass unselective immigration is a terrible thing. Refugees don't go somewhere out of loyalty to its values, they tend to shop around for the best economic deal and thus then fail to integrate because that's not what they came for. They tend to form a separate community and discourage their children from integrating too. Ripe for breeding terrorist sentiment, there's a reason second and third generation immigrations are massively overrepresented in terrorism. I dont want people in my community with backwards values who routinely treat women as lower than them or subhuman, and who at best don't believe LGBT people should have rights and at worse want to throw them off buildings.

It undermines social cohesion and solidarity, and with it the basis for progressive taxation and the welfare state. Say no to refugees even if it means becoming somewhat of an international pariah. History will prove this to be the right path. Not kind, but right.

[Aillyria]

Man it's almost as
there are good things and bad things

Mass unselective immigration is a terrible thing. Refugees don't go somewhere out of loyalty to its values, they tend to shop around for the best economic deal and thus then fail to integrate because that's not what they came for. They tend to form a separate community and discourage their children from integrating too. Ripe for breeding terrorist sentiment, there's a reason second and third generation immigrations are massively overrepresented in terrorism. I dont want people in my community with backwards values who routinely treat women as lower than them or subhuman, and who at best don't believe LGBT people should have rights and at worse want to throw them off buildings.

It undermines social cohesion and solidarity, and with it the basis for progressive taxation and the welfare state. Say no to refugees even if it means becoming somewhat of an international pariah. History will prove this to be the right path. Not kind, but right.

Dass raciss an fashiss!!!11!1

What are you talking about? Mama Merkel takes care of her welfare babies.

Don't know you well enough to know which way your sarcasm swings. So I'm gonna... go to the store.

My sarcasm swings anyway you want it to, dear.

[Schon]

How did I get here?

[New Emeline]

How did I get here?

Same way the rest of us did. Teleportation or accidental dimensional transfer.

[West Leas Oros]

I looked at the person who said it's factbooks and one of them had his pros and cons opinions. They appear to be rather regressive leftist. Give me a second.

Lol, if that's what you'd like to think.

Honestly, Cekoviu makes even San Lumen look egalitarian!

[Aillyria]

How did I get here?

Isn't it obvious? You're looking for friends......

Now if you'd be so kind as to look...that a way
*roofies drink*

Perfect, l think we'll get along nicely.

[Cekoviu]

Lol, if that's what you'd like to think.

Honestly, Cekoviu makes even San Lumen look egalitarian!

You really felt the need to pull up a post from an argument that's been over for 16 hours so you could post an unfunny and completely unfounded insult about me?

[Dumb Ideologies]

How did I get here?

A series of madcap misadventures and mistakes that are, alas, much more entertaining than anything that'll happen now you've arrived. Your best days are behind you, now there is only decline.

[Schon]

How did I get here?

Isn't it obvious? You're looking for friends......

Now if you'd be so kind as to look...that a way
*roofies drink*

Perfect, l think we'll get along nicely.

Okay... *drinks* ...goodnight *passes out*

[New Emeline]

Isn't it obvious? You're looking for friends......

Now if you'd be so kind as to look...that a way
*roofies drink*

Perfect, l think we'll get along nicely.

Okay... *drinks* ...goodnight *passes out*

Let's write the Communist Manifesto on their forehead while they're unconscious!

[Cekoviu]

Man it's almost as
there are good things and bad things

Mass unselective immigration is a terrible thing. Refugees don't go somewhere out of loyalty to its values, they tend to shop around for the best economic deal and thus then fail to integrate because that's not what they came for. They tend to form a separate community and discourage their children from integrating too. Ripe for breeding terrorist sentiment, there's a reason second and third generation immigrations are massively overrepresented in terrorism. I dont want people in my community with backwards values who routinely treat women as lower than them or subhuman, and who at best don't believe LGBT people should have rights and at worse want to throw them off buildings.

I don't think that's as common as you think. First-generation immigrants may have different societal values, but it's not like Christian extremists in those countries don't do the same. And I don't really see what's wrong with trying to find the best place to live as a refugee instead of instantly jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

[Cekoviu]

Mass unselective immigration is a terrible thing. Refugees don't go somewhere out of loyalty to its values, they tend to shop around for the best economic deal and thus then fail to integrate because that's not what they came for. They tend to form a separate community and discourage their children from integrating too. Ripe for breeding terrorist sentiment, there's a reason second and third generation immigrations are massively overrepresented in terrorism. I dont want people in my community with backwards values who routinely treat women as lower than them or subhuman, and who at best don't believe LGBT people should have rights and at worse want to throw them off buildings.

It undermines social cohesion and solidarity, and with it the basis for progressive taxation and the welfare state. Say no to refugees even if it means becoming somewhat of an international pariah. History will prove this to be the right path. Not kind, but right.

Dass raciss an fashiss!!!11!

Quality strawman, I rate it a perfect 5/7.

True leftism would be internationalist and show solidarity towards workers from abroad, tho

Screw that, my sympathy is with the workers of my homeland first. Foreigners are of secondary importance.

When somebody immigrates to your country, they become a worker of your homeland. Unless you want to pull out the ethnicity/race/culture card, which I wouldn't expect from somebody who hates identity politics.

[Jackania yugo]

Is Europe in trouble?

I live in the UK.

[Aillyria]

Honestly, Cekoviu makes even San Lumen look egalitarian!

You really felt the need to pull up a post from an argument that's been over for 16 hours so you could post an unfunny and completely unfounded insult about me?

Niggas be reachin!!!

[Cekoviu]

Is Europe in trouble?

I live in the UK.

Dude, let us finish a freaking conversation before asking another question, and please do something to contribute. At least state your own opinion on the issue, for crying out loud!

[New Emeline]

Is Europe in trouble?

I live in the UK.

Define "in trouble". Europe has had problems since, well, it's been Europe.

[Bakery Hill]

New thread is up and ready.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=437423

[New Emeline]

Is Europe in trouble?

I live in the UK.

Dude, let us finish a freaking conversation before asking another question, and please do something to contribute. At least state your own opinion on the issue, for crying out loud!

They seem to have a tendency of dropping questions out of nowhere.

[Proctopeo]

Is the Immigration from the middle east and north Africa actually harming Europe, or is it just an alt-right lie?

I think it's a lot more complicated than how you are framing it. There are downsides to mass immigration no matter the country of origin or the country of destination, because there's the statistical inevitability that at least some of the immigrants will go on to do terrible things, and that's without taking into account structural, socioeconomic factors that will affect how immigrants integrate themselves into their new societies.

Immigration into Europe has certainly been problematic, but I think it's nevertheless been a positive phenomenon.

It would've gone better if it was more regulated from the start, and if governments weren't so adamant that nothing was going poorly.

Mass unselective immigration is a terrible thing. Refugees don't go somewhere out of loyalty to its values, they tend to shop around for the best economic deal and thus then fail to integrate because that's not what they came for. They tend to form a separate community and discourage their children from integrating too. Ripe for breeding terrorist sentiment, there's a reason second and third generation immigrations are massively overrepresented in terrorism. I dont want people in my community with backwards values who routinely treat women as lower than them or subhuman, and who at best don't believe LGBT people should have rights and at worse want to throw them off buildings.

I don't think that's as common as you think. First-generation immigrants may have different societal values, but it's not like Christian extremists in those countries don't do the same. And I don't really see what's wrong with trying to find the best place to live as a refugee instead of instantly jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

Part of the issue is that they're not just avoiding jumping into the fire - they're aiming for the cool, sweet pots of honey instead of completely safe counter-tops and plates.
The analogy got stilted towards the end, but I assume you caught my drift.

[Jackania yugo]

Is Europe in trouble?

I live in the UK.

Dude, let us finish a freaking conversation before asking another question, and please do something to contribute. At least state your own opinion on the issue, for crying out loud!

I'm not sure. The skeptics say that immigration and cultural Marxism/regressive leftism is destroying it. So I say, yeah, it is in trouble unless we cut down on the Immigration.

[Cekoviu]

I think it's a lot more complicated than how you are framing it. There are downsides to mass immigration no matter the country of origin or the country of destination, because there's the statistical inevitability that at least some of the immigrants will go on to do terrible things, and that's without taking into account structural, socioeconomic factors that will affect how immigrants integrate themselves into their new societies.

Immigration into Europe has certainly been problematic, but I think it's nevertheless been a positive phenomenon.

It would've gone better if it was more regulated from the start, and if governments weren't so adamant that nothing was going poorly.

I don't think that's as common as you think. First-generation immigrants may have different societal values, but it's not like Christian extremists in those countries don't do the same. And I don't really see what's wrong with trying to find the best place to live as a refugee instead of instantly jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

Part of the issue is that they're not just avoiding jumping into the fire - they're aiming for the cool, sweet pots of honey instead of completely safe counter-tops and plates.
The analogy got stilted towards the end, but I assume you caught my drift.

I mean, don't pretend you wouldn't do the same thing given the opportunity. And anyway, most of the countries in Western Europe are cool, sweet pots of honey anyway, so they only have the option of jumping into the fire in Eastern Europe or jumping into the honey in Western Europe.

[New Emeline]

Dude, let us finish a freaking conversation before asking another question, and please do something to contribute. At least state your own opinion on the issue, for crying out loud!

I'm not sure. The skeptics say that immigration and cultural Marxism/regressive leftism is destroying it. So I say, yeah, it is in trouble unless we cut down on the Immigration.

There's a new thread now.