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What type of leftist are you?

Left-leaning Centrist
105
13%
Left/Social Liberal
74
9%
Social Democrat
115
14%
Democratic Socialist
139
17%
Marxist Communist
139
17%
Social Anarchist
50
6%
Individualist Anarchist
38
5%
Revolutionary Syndicalist
39
5%
Communalist
27
3%
Other (Please Post)
71
9%
 
Total votes : 797

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:27 am

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:So are you backpedaling now?



I was speaking personally and emotively. I feel morally culpable for the suffering of women, even though, as far as I know, I have not contributed to it. However, collectively, I do not believe in vengeance.

You are not morally culpable. If you are fine with the violation of the rights of yourself and others because you feel morally culpable for some original sin, you are being irresponsible at best and a self-loathing bigot at worst.
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Postby Aillyria » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:29 am

Lagomorph Supreme wrote:
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
I was speaking personally and emotively. I feel morally culpable for the suffering of women, even though, as far as I know, I have not contributed to it. However, collectively, I do not believe in vengeance.

So you're a walking stereotype for feminists?

We've made this observation before, join the club. At this point he's treading dangerously close to Parkus' self-flagellation and very close to Lolcow territory.
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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The Multiversal Communist Collective
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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:29 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:So feminism as a worldview has made you feel positive about other men who have not contributed to it, being treated like second class citizens?

This is the problem i'm talking about. It has mutilated your capacity for empathy to believe in this doctrine.


Quite the opposite. I grew up, as an Autistic, totally unable to experience (or even understand) empathy. Several years ago, I had a series of experiences, some during meditations, which literally awakened me out of my ignorance. Now I feel condemned to experience empathy almost constantly and universally. That is why it bothers me to see feminists attacked rather than being loved.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:32 am

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:So feminism as a worldview has made you feel positive about other men who have not contributed to it, being treated like second class citizens?

This is the problem i'm talking about. It has mutilated your capacity for empathy to believe in this doctrine.


Quite the opposite. I grew up, as an Autistic, totally unable to experience (or even understand) empathy. Several years ago, I had a series of experiences, some during meditations, which literally awakened me out of my ignorance. Now I feel condemned to experience empathy almost constantly and universally. That is why it bothers me to see feminists attacked rather than being loved.


Condemned to experience selective empathy only towards those that fit on the right side of an overly simplistic oppressor/oppressed dynamic that very poorly maps onto reality.
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Postby Aillyria » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:33 am

Lagomorph Supreme wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Funny thing is, the minorities here in the States would probably just lump Jews in with whites and toss him to the gallows too. Also, we mixed folk would be on the chopping block in black communities for our white ancestry.

Be proud of your ancestry, whatever it is, this also applies to HuWhite ancestry
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Jared Taylor *cringe*

I'm just as opposed to the alt-right as I am to the regressive left, they're two sides of the same infantile identity BS, both sides are little more than crybabies.
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:35 am

Lagomorph Supreme wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Funny thing is, the minorities here in the States would probably just lump Jews in with whites and toss him to the gallows too. Also, we mixed folk would be on the chopping block in black communities for our white ancestry.

Be proud of your ancestry, whatever it is, this also applies to HuWhite ancestry
-Jared Taylor

>unironically quoting Jared Taylor
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:36 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Quite the opposite. I grew up, as an Autistic, totally unable to experience (or even understand) empathy. Several years ago, I had a series of experiences, some during meditations, which literally awakened me out of my ignorance. Now I feel condemned to experience empathy almost constantly and universally. That is why it bothers me to see feminists attacked rather than being loved.


Condemned to experience selective empathy only towards those that fit on the right side of an overly simplistic oppressor/oppressed dynamic that very poorly maps onto reality.

really makes u think
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Postby Aillyria » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:38 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Quite the opposite. I grew up, as an Autistic, totally unable to experience (or even understand) empathy. Several years ago, I had a series of experiences, some during meditations, which literally awakened me out of my ignorance. Now I feel condemned to experience empathy almost constantly and universally. That is why it bothers me to see feminists attacked rather than being loved.


Condemned to experience selective empathy only towards those that fit on the right side of an overly simplistic oppressor/oppressed dynamic that very poorly maps onto reality.

Yup, where's all the love for cock? :p
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Victoriala II » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:47 am

Aillyria wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Condemned to experience selective empathy only towards those that fit on the right side of an overly simplistic oppressor/oppressed dynamic that very poorly maps onto reality.

Yup, where's all the love for cock? :p


I'm a tits kinda guy so neh

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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:48 am

Lagomorph Supreme wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:>unironically quoting Jared Taylor

That's not a real quote.

Ah, it's hard to tell sometimes.
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Postby Aillyria » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:02 am

Victoriala II wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Yup, where's all the love for cock? :p


I'm a tits kinda guy so neh

I mean, I'm a lesbian....so yeah. But still beg the question, where's his love for men?
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Jackania yugo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:07 am

So...what's happened while I've been gone.

So it appears that everyone except their ideology hate regressive left.

I'm just afraid that the Alt-right and the YouTube skeptic community will make everyone think all of the left is bad/regressive and the left-right seesaw of chaos will continue.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:11 am

Jackania yugo wrote:So...what's happened while I've been gone.

So it appears that everyone except their ideology hate regressive left.

I'm just afraid that the Alt-right and the YouTube skeptic community will make everyone think all of the left is bad/regressive and the left-right seesaw of chaos will continue.

Too late.
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Postby Aillyria » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:12 am

Jackania yugo wrote:So...what's happened while I've been gone.

So it appears that everyone except their ideology hate regressive left.

I'm just afraid that the Alt-right and the YouTube skeptic community will make everyone think all of the left is bad/regressive and the left-right seesaw of chaos will continue.

I'm actually a fan of the YouTube skepics(especially Armoured Skepic, Sargon of Akkad, and Black Pigeon Speaks), they are the issue...the regressives and alt-right are.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby The Arian nation » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:20 am

Does anyone have any insight on the reason behind youtube's distaste towards the left?
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Postby Jackania yugo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:21 am

Aillyria wrote:
Jackania yugo wrote:So...what's happened while I've been gone.

So it appears that everyone except their ideology hate regressive left.

I'm just afraid that the Alt-right and the YouTube skeptic community will make everyone think all of the left is bad/regressive and the left-right seesaw of chaos will continue.

I'm actually a fan of the YouTube skepics(especially Armoured Skepic, Sargon of Akkad, and Black Pigeon Speaks), they are the issue...the regressives and alt-right are.


You mean aren't the issue.

Also, I like the skeptics. Fuck infowars though.

What do you think of infowars?
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We are technically centrist.

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Postby Jackania yugo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:22 am

The arian nation wrote:Does anyone have any insight on the reason behind youtube's distaste towards the left?


I thought they had a distaste towards the right?

Oh, you mean the people who do stuff, not the people who run the site themselves.

Probably because they mix them up with the regressive left (SJW's).
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This nation is PMT/FT. Sometimes modern tech.

We sometimes use pokemorphs and digimon in our armed forces. Sometimes

We are technically centrist.

This nation is a reunited Yugoslavia (and also sometimes controls the UK as well).

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:23 am

The arian nation wrote:Does anyone have any insight on the reason behind youtube's distaste towards the left?


It's distaste toward the mainstream left. The dissident left is criticizing them, both for their neoliberal tendencies and their progressive tendencies.
Failing to adequately reform the economy, and fucking up and being racist/sexist on social issues.

The criticism is coming from the left, as well as from libertarians, though the far-right is also involved and trying to paint the mainstream left as "The Left" and itself as the way forward to defeat both the decadent Weimarists and the devious Communists.
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Postby Aillyria » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:24 am

Jackania yugo wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I'm actually a fan of the YouTube skepics(especially Armoured Skepic, Sargon of Akkad, and Black Pigeon Speaks), they are the issue...the regressives and alt-right are.


You mean aren't the issue.

Also, I like the skeptics. Fuck infowars though.

What do you think of infowars?

I don't have much issue with Infowars, except for the whole fluoride conspiracy stuff.
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Sanctissima » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:25 am

Aillyria wrote:
Jackania yugo wrote:So...what's happened while I've been gone.

So it appears that everyone except their ideology hate regressive left.

I'm just afraid that the Alt-right and the YouTube skeptic community will make everyone think all of the left is bad/regressive and the left-right seesaw of chaos will continue.

I'm actually a fan of the YouTube skepics(especially Armoured Skepic, Sargon of Akkad, and Black Pigeon Speaks), they are the issue...the regressives and alt-right are.


Eh, it's worth noting that the latter two have... some seriously deep-seated rejection issues.

To be fair, some of their material is decent enough, but a lot of it is heavily biased trash. I remember one video by BPS wherein he basically blames the near-extermination of North American Aboriginals on one Vinlandic settler woman, which is... yeah, ahistorical as fuck.

Then again, a lot of the YouTube Left is irredeemable garbage, like Vox, so to each their own.

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Postby The Arian nation » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:25 am

Jackania yugo wrote:
The arian nation wrote:Does anyone have any insight on the reason behind youtube's distaste towards the left?


I thought they had a distaste towards the right?

Oh, you mean the people who do stuff, not the people who run the site themselves.

Probably because they mix them up with the regressive left (SJW's).

Yes i'm talking about the community
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:33 am

The arian nation wrote:Does anyone have any insight on the reason behind youtube's distaste towards the left?

Youtube offers a platform for people with no experience, and there are a lot of teenage and tween users who gobble unsourced/anecdotal BS down. Those two combined make it a great place for "anti-SJWs" like Sargon of Akkad and Armoured Skeptic.
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Postby Aillyria » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:35 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I'm actually a fan of the YouTube skepics(especially Armoured Skepic, Sargon of Akkad, and Black Pigeon Speaks), they are the issue...the regressives and alt-right are.


Eh, it's worth noting that the latter two have... some seriously deep-seated rejection issues.

To be fair, some of their material is decent enough, but a lot of it is heavily biased trash. I remember one video by BPS wherein he basically blames the near-extermination of North American Aboriginals on one Vinlandic settler woman, which is... yeah, ahistorical as fuck.

Then again, a lot of the YouTube Left is irredeemable garbage, like Vox, so to each their own.

Yeah, that was one of the videos I vehemently disagreed with him on, the other was his video "How Women Destroy Civilizations". I agree with most of his material otherwise tnough.
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......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:37 am

Cekoviu wrote:
The arian nation wrote:Does anyone have any insight on the reason behind youtube's distaste towards the left?

Youtube offers a platform for people with no experience, and there are a lot of teenage and tween users who gobble unsourced/anecdotal BS down. Those two combined make it a great place for "anti-SJWs" like Sargon of Akkad and Armoured Skeptic.


You have a problem with Armored Skeptics work? Anything specifically?
Beyond that, you're underestimating the hostility of the public to the progressive movement, feminism, etc.

It offers an open platform, not one that those currently with institutional power can gatekeep and suppress alternative narratives on, and that naturally means its one of the only places offering criticism of the current governing ideologies.

Your complaint about unsourced/anecdotal bullshit is also curious. Which video of Sargons or Skeptics is unsourced in your opinion?
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Postby Irona » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:39 am

The people who make content on youtube aren't anti-left, actually I think the majority are liberals. The comments seem to indicate a significant number of viewers are rabidly anti-left, but bots make it seem worse than it is which is why liberal's & centrists still dominate content creation.

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