Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

[Republican Corentia]

The historical inaccuracies in your post aside, Marx can't exactly choose who follows him or not. He's dead, and all those nations you listed were inspired theoretically by Marx, as in their study of things like society at large or capitalism. To say that the purges in any of those countries were "inspired by Marx" is far-fetched. What would have inspired all the mass murders in non-socialist countries? Would it be due to some long-dead capitalist economist like Adam Smith? Let's be real.

Also Pol Pot was funded by the CIA and went to war with Vietnamese communists.

Could you tell us, in as much detail as possible, about each of the "historical inaccuracies" in the above post? Please provide the proper non-revisionist party-line interpretation of the events so that we can more thoroughly purge from our minds the anti-proletarian "histories" produced by the bourgeois historians and perpetuated by the prevailing capitalist superstructure.

tfw you can't comprehend that there's propaganda against communists out there

Can you explain to me, in detail, why you're so triggered "Dumb Ideologies"? Your name is pretty ironic but well-fitting considering what you're probably about to defend here.

[Genivaria]

The original comment was about THE UNITED STATES. Stop fucking trying to change the subject.

Nice mouth you have. I am not changing the subject. I am talking about its implications. Those implications extend beyond the United States.

Okay, figure out exactly what topic you're talking about and then get back to me.

[Aillyria]

Nice mouth you have. I am not changing the subject. I am talking about its implications. Those implications extend beyond the United States.

Okay, figure out exactly what topic you're talking about and then get back to me.

I'm so lost with this convo, lol.

[Genivaria]

Okay, figure out exactly what topic you're talking about and then get back to me.

I'm so lost with this convo, lol.

Yeah I just gave up on him.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I saw a post about Allyria saying homosexuality doesn't have a punishment, so I just replied that there was a punishment for it. Sorry for the threadjack.

There is a punishment for sodomy, not homosexuality. But isn't the punishment for sodomy, in the hadith, not the Quran?

How did this get from a left-wing discussion thread to an Islamic homosexuality laws discussion thread?

Someone said the Quran advocates death for homosexuality, which is false.

I said the OT advocates death for homosexuality. And when I say homosexuality, I mean sodomy. There is nothing wrong with it, so why is it punished in Islam?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Why is liberty desirable?

Liberty is just a word. The question is, Liberty for whom? I believe in liberty for the proletariat and surrender or imprisonment for the bourgeoisie.

This is why I don't like Socialists. They need to strawman capitalists to claim they hate the poor and then turn around and very strongly and proudly hate the rich.

[Salus Maior]

Liberty is just a word. The question is, Liberty for whom? I believe in liberty for the proletariat and surrender or imprisonment for the bourgeoisie.

This is why I don't like Socialists. They need to strawman capitalists to claim they hate the poor and then turn around and very strongly and proudly hate the rich.

They hate the rich because they take advantage of and profit off of the poor.

While I don't say I hate the rich, I definitely have no sympathy for them.

[Genivaria]

Liberty is just a word. The question is, Liberty for whom? I believe in liberty for the proletariat and surrender or imprisonment for the bourgeoisie.

This is why I don't like Socialists. They need to strawman capitalists to claim they hate the poor and then turn around and very strongly and proudly hate the rich.

Hey don't lump us all with him.
And I don't hate 'the rich', I hate those select individuals who use their wealth and influence to oppose any reform of a system which legalizes political corruption and opposes reform that would benefit workers.

[The Widening Gyre]

Liberty is just a word. The question is, Liberty for whom? I believe in liberty for the proletariat and surrender or imprisonment for the bourgeoisie.

This is why I don't like Socialists. They need to strawman capitalists to claim they hate the poor and then turn around and very strongly and proudly hate the rich.

Capitalism requires a willingness to exploit in those who want to be successful. It may not promote hatred necessarily, but indifference to suffering caused is corrosive and harmful too.

[Genivaria]

This is why I don't like Socialists. They need to strawman capitalists to claim they hate the poor and then turn around and very strongly and proudly hate the rich.

Capitalism requires a willingness to exploit in those who want to be successful. It may not promote hatred necessarily, but indifference to suffering caused is corrosive and harmful too.

Anyone who doubts this should ask themselves why sociopathy and CEO's statistically go so well together.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Why is liberty desirable?

Liberty is just a word. The question is, Liberty for whom? I believe in liberty for the proletariat and surrender or imprisonment for the bourgeoisie.

whatever you say, landlord

[Aillyria]

There is a punishment for sodomy, not homosexuality. But isn't the punishment for sodomy, in the hadith, not the Quran?


Someone said the Quran advocates death for homosexuality, which is false.

I said the OT advocates death for homosexuality. And when I say homosexuality, I mean sodomy. There is nothing wrong with it, so why is it punished in Islam?

Yes, the Bible advocates death for homosexuality, the Quran doesn't. The only mention of anything having to do with homosexuality or sodomy being punishable by humans is in the hadith and fatwa made after the fact meaning they are secular additions to the faith, and not divinely mandated actions.

So strictly speaking, muslims that argue that punishing homosexuality is from God have no Quranic basis for their claims.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Okay, figure out exactly what topic you're talking about and then get back to me.

I'll let you know. You can count on it.... maybe.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I'm so lost with this convo, lol.

You, too?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

This is why I don't like Socialists. They need to strawman capitalists to claim they hate the poor and then turn around and very strongly and proudly hate the rich.

I don't hate the rich. You are making the impersonal personal. I do, however, believe, that the wealth of the rich should be turned over to the proletariat.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

whatever you say, landlord

I don't recall ever collecting money from tenants. However, we all, without exception, benefit from property taxes.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

This is why I don't like Socialists. They need to strawman capitalists to claim they hate the poor and then turn around and very strongly and proudly hate the rich.

I don't hate the rich. You are making the impersonal personal. I do, however, believe, that the wealth of the rich should be turned over to the proletariat.

"Surrender or be imprisoned, nothing personal."

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I said the OT advocates death for homosexuality. And when I say homosexuality, I mean sodomy. There is nothing wrong with it, so why is it punished in Islam?

Yes, the Bible advocates death for homosexuality, the Quran doesn't. The only mention of anything having to do with homosexuality or sodomy being punishable by humans is in the hadith and fatwa made after the fact meaning they are secular additions to the faith, and not divinely mandated actions.

So strictly speaking, muslims that argue that punishing homosexuality is from God have no Quranic basis for their claims.

Is sodomy a sin?

[Kubra]

I don't hate the rich. You are making the impersonal personal. I do, however, believe, that the wealth of the rich should be turned over to the proletariat.

"Surrender or be imprisoned, nothing personal."

Well I mean nothing personal, it's merely the dialectics in motion

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Yes, the Bible advocates death for homosexuality, the Quran doesn't. The only mention of anything having to do with homosexuality or sodomy being punishable by humans is in the hadith and fatwa made after the fact meaning they are secular additions to the faith, and not divinely mandated actions.

So strictly speaking, muslims that argue that punishing homosexuality is from God have no Quranic basis for their claims.

If you want to come up with a contemporary version of an ancient religion (Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc.), the way to do so, IMO, is through narrative theology. That takes the focus off of the doctrines or dogmas and places the it on the story being told. That way, one can emphasize the story, the narrative, and let the doctrines which don't fit into modernity fall by the wayside.

Such an approach won't make you many friends with more traditionally-minded religionists, but it is a way of elevating the spirit over the form.

See for instance, Narrative theology – What is it?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

"Surrender or be imprisoned, nothing personal."

Well I mean nothing personal, it's merely the dialectics in motion

Can you see how one might not be a fan of that? "It's merely the race war in motion." "It's nearly the holy war in motion."

[HMS Barham]

Why is liberty desirable?

Liberty is just a word. The question is, Liberty for whom? I believe in liberty for the proletariat and surrender or imprisonment for the bourgeoisie.

Game on, commie.

[Aillyria]

Yes, the Bible advocates death for homosexuality, the Quran doesn't. The only mention of anything having to do with homosexuality or sodomy being punishable by humans is in the hadith and fatwa made after the fact meaning they are secular additions to the faith, and not divinely mandated actions.

So strictly speaking, muslims that argue that punishing homosexuality is from God have no Quranic basis for their claims.

Is sodomy a sin?

Yes, in the same sense that homosexuality is in the Quran, however there is no prescribed punishment for muslims who participate in it. Punishment is prescribed in the hadith though, which I don't follow.

[Sovaal]

The Soviet Union wasn’t exactly some paradise to live in. Millions died under Stalin, Eastern Europe was invaded and occupied by the Soviets, any opposition crushed, and place under heavy Soviet influence. The Great Leap Forward killed millions, re-education camps across the Asian Communist countries, the Khmer Rouge, the current Chinese regime, etc etc. turn out humans aren’t perfect, and that many of our systems have been shit.

Still, I find “All Men are created equal” to be something to follow.

The historical inaccuracies in your post aside,

Such as? Everything I stated is common accepted fact among the historical community.

Marx can't exactly choose who follows him or not. He's dead, and all those nations you listed were inspired theoretically by Marx, as in their study of things like society at large or capitalism. To say that the purges in any of those countries were "inspired by Marx" is far-fetched. What would have inspired all the mass murders in non-socialist countries? Would it be due to some long-dead capitalist economist like Adam Smith? Let's be real.

Whatever you’re tripping on must be fun if it causes you to read shit I didn’t write. Not once in my post did I fucking mention Marx

Also Pol Pot was funded by the CIA and went to war with Vietnamese communists.

Pol Pot was funded by the Chinese who invaded Vietnam when they started to win against the Khmer Rouge.

Anyway, if you want me to take you seriously actually read my damn posts. If not just say so so I can block you.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Is sodomy a sin?

Yes, in the same sense that homosexuality is in the Quran, however there is no prescribed punishment for muslims who participate in it. Punishment is prescribed in the hadith though, which I don't follow.

Why is sodomy a sin? ("Allah said so," is not a sufficient answer).