Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

[Kubra]

Thats not what anarchism is. I'm gonna beat you up in the streets for that.

Can’t do that if I burn down your house while wearing at least three separate red bandannas cause morality is a spook created by the church-corporation-slaver-government-republican conspiracy.

sure, if you weren't spooked enough for bandana symbolism

[Nature-Spirits]

Thats not what anarchism is. I'm gonna beat you up in the streets for that.

Anarchists: "that's not what the ideology is about. Which is why we do it all the time while purposely denouncing it."

1) Clearly, that was a joke.

2) Now, you'll have to bear with me here, because this might surprise you, but not all anarchists are identical in ideology or praxis. Weird, I know, but it's a pretty old left tendency with a lot of interpretations and reinterpretations. Some are insurrectionists, some are syndicalists, etc.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that the people punching Nazis and smashing Starbucks windows are not usually the same people who prefer nonviolent revolution, even though the two might collaborate at times to achieve common goals.

[Mattopilos II]

Anarchists: "that's not what the ideology is about. Which is why we do it all the time while purposely denouncing it."

1) Clearly, that was a joke.

2) Now, you'll have to bear with me here, because this might surprise you, but not all anarchists are identical in ideology or praxis. Weird, I know, but it's a pretty old left tendency with a lot of interpretations and reinterpretations. Some are insurrectionists, some are syndicalists, etc.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that the people punching Nazis and smashing Starbucks windows are not usually the same people who prefer nonviolent revolution, even though the two might collaborate at times to achieve common goals.

And even then, people tend to take the actions from ANTIFA and blow them further out of proportion anyway... so you can't win.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

And even then, people tend to take the actions from ANTIFA and blow them further out of proportion anyway... so you can't win.

This is my response:

The Dangers of Left-Wing Populism

[Aillyria]

And even then, people tend to take the actions from ANTIFA and blow them further out of proportion anyway... so you can't win.

This is my response:

The Dangers of Left-Wing Populism

hostile toward political correctness

Political correctness isn't important, and an affront to free speech

intersectionality, Black Lives Matter

These two "movements" are detriments to intellectualism themselves......

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Political correctness isn't important, and an affront to free speech

These two "movements" are detriments to intellectualism themselves......

Well, as a critical theorist, that is my critique of left-wing populism. People can interpret it as they wish.

[Republican Corentia]

Because those two terms are based on a political compass test. In reality, libertarianism has a few uncanny connections to fascism in practice.

> defends the Soviet Union.
> accuses other ideologies of "a few uncanny connections to fascism in practice."

Uh-huh. I'm sorry to inform you that just because your flag is red and not black, it doesn't make the totalitarian, one party, militaristic state under the helm of a Great Leader any less fascistic.

Okay, pray tell, what is fascism and how did the Soviet Union embody this? inb4 authority is fascist

[Dagashi Shoujo]

> defends the Soviet Union.
> accuses other ideologies of "a few uncanny connections to fascism in practice."

Uh-huh. I'm sorry to inform you that just because your flag is red and not black, it doesn't make the totalitarian, one party, militaristic state under the helm of a Great Leader any less fascistic.

Okay, pray tell, what is fascism and how did the Soviet Union embody this? inb4 authority is fascist

totalitarian, one party, militaristic state under the helm of a Great Leader

All of the characteristics that political scientists use to determine whether a regime is "fascist," and why Salazar's Portugal and Metaxas' Greece were not. The similarities don't end there.

Given the opportunity, Mussolini would have been glad as late as 1920-21 to take under his wing the Italian Communists, for whom he felt great affinities: greater, certainly, than for democratic socialists, liberals and conservatives. Genetically, Fascism issued from the 'Bolshevik' wing of Italian socialism, not from any conservative ideology or movement.

[The Liberated Territories]

It's worth noting also that the welfare state originated not from leftists, but conservatives. Specifically Prussian conservatives.

https://www.press.umich.edu/13913/origi ... in_prussia <good book

While this has nothing to do with fascism per se, it's interesting to note similarities.

[Pilarcraft]

It's worth noting also that the welfare state originated not from leftists, but conservatives. Specifically Prussian conservatives.

https://www.press.umich.edu/13913/origi ... in_prussia

While this has nothing to do with fascism per se, it's interesting to note similarities.

with all due respect, I don't think there's anyone who thinks "The Left is when the Gub'mint does stuff, and the more the Gub'mint does stuff the lefter it is", well other than some american conservatives. thank you Reagan.
The Welfare State isn't really a left-wing concept. it's more of a statist concept than anything

[Tyrassueb]

It's worth noting also that the welfare state originated not from leftists, but conservatives. Specifically Prussian conservatives.

https://www.press.umich.edu/13913/origi ... in_prussia <good book

While this has nothing to do with fascism per se, it's interesting to note similarities.

If memory serves, said Prussian Conservatives pushed for those welfare state reforms in an attempt to preempt a more left-wing push for them which, no doubt, would result in a far more left-leaning German state up to and including possibly ousting the monarchy. Basically a "give them half of what they want and they won't bother for the other half for a good long while" tactic.

[Bakery Hill]

It's worth noting also that the welfare state originated not from leftists, but conservatives. Specifically Prussian conservatives.

https://www.press.umich.edu/13913/origi ... in_prussia <good book

While this has nothing to do with fascism per se, it's interesting to note similarities.

A good point. The welfare state often undermined trade union self help organisations and deliberately so. It's not entirely benevolent.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's worth noting also that the welfare state originated not from leftists, but conservatives. Specifically Prussian conservatives.

https://www.press.umich.edu/13913/origi ... in_prussia <good book

While this has nothing to do with fascism per se, it's interesting to note similarities.

A good point. The welfare state often undermined trade union self help organisations and deliberately so. It's not entirely benevolent.

Welfare is a conservative plot to defeat the communists. Now that they are gone, austerity time.

[Bakery Hill]

A good point. The welfare state often undermined trade union self help organisations and deliberately so. It's not entirely benevolent.

Welfare is a conservative plot to defeat the communists. Now that they are gone, austerity time.

It's pretty fucked but that's barely an exaggeration.

[Sovaal]

Can’t do that if I burn down your house while wearing at least three separate red bandannas cause morality is a spook created by the church-corporation-slaver-government-republican conspiracy.

this is going on my sig (also, well said, sir!)

Can’t do that if I burn down your house while wearing at least three separate red bandannas cause morality is a spook created by the church-corporation-slaver-government-republican conspiracy.

I love that this is the first thing I saw coming in.

I aim to please

Can’t do that if I burn down your house while wearing at least three separate red bandannas cause morality is a spook created by the church-corporation-slaver-government-republican conspiracy.

sure, if you weren't spooked enough for bandana symbolism

But I’m so woke I’m able to see through the spooks lies. Death to the state! *kicks trashcan*

[Bienenhalde]

It's worth noting also that the welfare state originated not from leftists, but conservatives. Specifically Prussian conservatives.

https://www.press.umich.edu/13913/origi ... in_prussia <good book

While this has nothing to do with fascism per se, it's interesting to note similarities.

Ah yes...the Prussian conservative welfare state. One of my favorite political systems.

[Saiwania]

I'm super excited, to some extent anyways. I saw that the Dow today was down 200 points at least temporarily.

Could this be the very first sign of Great Recession II that is starting that will sweep nearly all Republicans out in a tidal wave just in time?

[The Grene Knyght]

Thats not what anarchism is. I'm gonna beat you up in the streets for that.

Anarchists: "that's not what the ideology is about. Which is why we do it all the time while purposely denouncing it."

tfw you make a little self-deprecating joke to illicit a little chuckle from your pals, all in good fun, and someone takes it seriously

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm super excited, to some extent anyways. I saw that the Dow today was down 200 points at least temporarily.

Could this be the very first sign of Great Recession II that is starting that will sweep nearly all Republicans out in a tidal wave just in time?

No, 200 points at the current valuation of the DOW Index is a drop in the bucket.

If you want another recession you need not look further than bitcoin and subprime car loans.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I'm super excited, to some extent anyways. I saw that the Dow today was down 200 points at least temporarily.

Could this be the very first sign of Great Recession II that is starting that will sweep nearly all Republicans out in a tidal wave just in time?

Why would you be excited for that just because it would be a fucking political victory. Like holy shit that's almost sociopathic.

[Pilarcraft]

I'm super excited, to some extent anyways. I saw that the Dow today was down 200 points at least temporarily.

Could this be the very first sign of Great Recession II that is starting that will sweep nearly all Republicans out in a tidal wave just in time?

Please stop reading Machiavelli's "The Prince"...
The Ends doesn't always justify the means lmao

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm super excited, to some extent anyways. I saw that the Dow today was down 200 points at least temporarily.

Could this be the very first sign of Great Recession II that is starting that will sweep nearly all Republicans out in a tidal wave just in time?

Why would you be excited for that just because it would be a fucking political victory. Like holy shit that's almost sociopathic.

Tbf many people on both sides, the left and the right, are actively pursuing an accelerationist agenda for a political victory.

You have touched on a good point tho: is social and economic collapse worth it if your side ends up winning in the end?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm super excited, to some extent anyways. I saw that the Dow today was down 200 points at least temporarily.

Could this be the very first sign of Great Recession II that is starting that will sweep nearly all Republicans out in a tidal wave just in time?

But then the Democrats will take power and ruin your precious white purity :'(

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm super excited, to some extent anyways. I saw that the Dow today was down 200 points at least temporarily.

Could this be the very first sign of Great Recession II that is starting that will sweep nearly all Republicans out in a tidal wave just in time?

Please stop reading Machiavelli's "The Prince"...
The Ends doesn't always justify the means lmao

*cringes*

I've read The Prince multiple times, I don't think Machiavelli argues necessarily that the ends always justify the means.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm super excited, to some extent anyways. I saw that the Dow today was down 200 points at least temporarily.

Could this be the very first sign of Great Recession II that is starting that will sweep nearly all Republicans out in a tidal wave just in time?

But then the Democrats will take power and ruin your precious white purity :'(

It's interesting how you go after Saiwania and his white purity being lost to the Dems rather than complaining about the guns in this instance