Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

[West Leas Oros]

Another non-answer from the always rashunal and intellectual right wing libertarians. I suppose we're going to forget the massive increase in the standard of living everywhere in the USSR, the free education and healthcare, workplace and political democracy, industrialization and general modernity that the Soviet state brought to millions more in the world. Or the fact that many of the deaths during these deportations were due to the war and not at all deliberate or purposefully brutal despite the politically authoritarian motivations behind them to establish a stable government. If you'd like better resources than just wikipedia, here's one from a harvard professor on the whole subject: https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/hand ... sequence=2

I am already convinced. I will direct you to other right-wing fascists and wreckers who need to read that paper:

Who are they?

[Taihei Tengoku]

I am already convinced. I will direct you to other right-wing fascists and wreckers who need to read that paper:

Who are they?

Someone who denies, or even worse, opposes the huge living standard increases of the USSR, shown below:

[West Leas Oros]

Who are they?

Someone who denies, or even worse, opposes the huge living standard increases of the USSR, shown below:

That sounds a lot more like the USSR I remember.

[Republican Corentia]

Another non-answer from the always rashunal and intellectual right wing libertarians. I suppose we're going to forget the massive increase in the standard of living everywhere in the USSR, the free education and healthcare, workplace and political democracy, industrialization and general modernity that the Soviet state brought to millions more in the world. Or the fact that many of the deaths during these deportations were due to the war and not at all deliberate or purposefully brutal despite the politically authoritarian motivations behind them to establish a stable government. If you'd like better resources than just wikipedia, here's one from a harvard professor on the whole subject: https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/hand ... sequence=2

I am already convinced. I will direct you to other right-wing fascists and wreckers who need to read that paper:

It's okay, I know your attempt at defending Nazi supporters by bringing up the Soviet Union failed. No need to be passive-aggressive since you can't add anything useful to the discussion.

By the way, if you're so opposed to deportations and killings as the sarcastic teenage defender of moral truth, why do you clumsily support an ideology that lets tens of millions a year die due to causes relating to malnourishment? Do you even know we produce more food than we actually need to feed the world? Around 50% more? Do you know that the CIA studied Soviet health and diet and concluded that they were on par with the western world, if not more healthy?

No you probably don't if you shit up NS threads like this.

[Northern Davincia]

It's not possible!

Did Fred Koch himself oppose the Civil Rights Act, or are you making more baseless associations? That article you provided has no understanding of what fascism is in the slightest, or libertarianism.

https://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/8/k ... ghts_roots

The matter isn't "did he oppose the civil rights act?" because I said nothing of the sort. He clearly supported libertarianism during that era via the John Birch Society and other organizations. Do you know which libertarian was running as GOP during that time, on a platform that opposed the civil rights act? Barry Goldwater. For fuck's sake it's like you don't know anything about your own movement.

Yes, libertarianism opposes all restrictions on personal freedom, which is why many oppose the Civil Rights Act. I am not unaware of this.
But you keep trying to build a bridge between individuals and groups out of nothing.

[Taihei Tengoku]

I am already convinced. I will direct you to other right-wing fascists and wreckers who need to read that paper:

It's okay, I know your attempt at defending Nazi supporters by bringing up the Soviet Union failed. No need to be passive-aggressive since you can't add anything useful to the discussion.

By the way, if you're so opposed to deportations and killings as the sarcastic teenage defender of moral truth, why do you clumsily support an ideology that lets tens of millions a year die due to causes relating to malnourishment? Do you even know we produce more food than we actually need to feed the world? Around 50% more? Do you know that the CIA studied Soviet health and diet and concluded that they were on par with the western world, if not more healthy?

No you probably don't if you shit up NS threads like this.

Don't make me cry!

[West Leas Oros]

I am already convinced. I will direct you to other right-wing fascists and wreckers who need to read that paper:

It's okay, I know your attempt at defending Nazi supporters by bringing up the Soviet Union failed. No need to be passive-aggressive since you can't add anything useful to the discussion.

By the way, if you're so opposed to deportations and killings as the sarcastic teenage defender of moral truth, why do you clumsily support an ideology that lets tens of millions a year die due to causes relating to malnourishment? Do you even know we produce more food than we actually need to feed the world? Around 50% more? Do you know that the CIA studied Soviet health and diet and concluded that they were on par with the western world, if not more healthy?

No you probably don't if you shit up NS threads like this.

That is, when they weren’t busy dying in a gulag.

[Northern Davincia]

I am already convinced. I will direct you to other right-wing fascists and wreckers who need to read that paper:

It's okay, I know your attempt at defending Nazi supporters by bringing up the Soviet Union failed. No need to be passive-aggressive since you can't add anything useful to the discussion.

By the way, if you're so opposed to deportations and killings as the sarcastic teenage defender of moral truth, why do you clumsily support an ideology that lets tens of millions a year die due to causes relating to malnourishment? Do you even know we produce more food than we actually need to feed the world? Around 50% more? Do you know that the CIA studied Soviet health and diet and concluded that they were on par with the western world, if not more healthy?

No you probably don't if you shit up NS threads like this.

You do know that capitalism has decreased global poverty rates, right? Millions have not died because of capitalism.

[West Leas Oros]

It's okay, I know your attempt at defending Nazi supporters by bringing up the Soviet Union failed. No need to be passive-aggressive since you can't add anything useful to the discussion.

By the way, if you're so opposed to deportations and killings as the sarcastic teenage defender of moral truth, why do you clumsily support an ideology that lets tens of millions a year die due to causes relating to malnourishment? Do you even know we produce more food than we actually need to feed the world? Around 50% more? Do you know that the CIA studied Soviet health and diet and concluded that they were on par with the western world, if not more healthy?

No you probably don't if you shit up NS threads like this.

You do know that capitalism has decreased global poverty rates, right? Millions have not died because of capitalism.

Millions of people will always die. Death is one of life’s inevitablilities, like taxes and communist revolution.

[Republican Corentia]

It's okay, I know your attempt at defending Nazi supporters by bringing up the Soviet Union failed. No need to be passive-aggressive since you can't add anything useful to the discussion.

By the way, if you're so opposed to deportations and killings as the sarcastic teenage defender of moral truth, why do you clumsily support an ideology that lets tens of millions a year die due to causes relating to malnourishment? Do you even know we produce more food than we actually need to feed the world? Around 50% more? Do you know that the CIA studied Soviet health and diet and concluded that they were on par with the western world, if not more healthy?

No you probably don't if you shit up NS threads like this.

Don't make me cry!

I'll respond to these just as soon as you actually type out an argument instead of hurriedly googling things.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Don't make me cry!

I'll respond to these just as soon as you actually type out an argument instead of hurriedly googling things.

Why alienate myself with work on behalf of an ingrate?

[West Leas Oros]

This thread is full of holier than thou literally everywhere. Oh look at me! I’m an anarchist! And i’m Also smarter than you! Why? Because I read this one thing once that said I was right and dismissed all counter arguments as stupid and evil. Maybe if you blindly agreed with everything I said, then you would have all the answers and be smart.

[Republican Corentia]

I'll respond to these just as soon as you actually type out an argument instead of hurriedly googling things.

Why alienate myself with work on behalf of an ingrate?

Who says I'm doing it for you?

EDIT: Heh, misread that.

[Dagashi Shoujo]

This thread is full of holier than thou literally everywhere. Oh look at me! I’m an anarchist! And i’m Also smarter than you! Why? Because I read this one thing once that said I was right and dismissed all counter arguments as stupid and evil. Maybe if you blindly agreed with everything I said, then you would have all the answers and be smart.

Since their ideology has been a total failure, all they have left is to try and win some "intellectual" victories.

[The Grene Knyght]

This thread is full of holier than thou literally everywhere. Oh look at me! I’m an anarchist! And i’m Also smarter than you! Why? Because I read this one thing once that said I was right and dismissed all counter arguments as stupid and evil. Maybe if you blindly agreed with everything I said, then you would have all the answers and be smart.

Are you really any different? I've seen a few of your posts on the threads I frequent, and I never see you attempt to engage with or understand these ideas. Rather than discuss such concepts, you've been dismissing all counter arguments as stupid and evil because you're so confident in your righteousness. That's how it seems to me, at least.

[West Leas Oros]

This thread is full of holier than thou literally everywhere. Oh look at me! I’m an anarchist! And i’m Also smarter than you! Why? Because I read this one thing once that said I was right and dismissed all counter arguments as stupid and evil. Maybe if you blindly agreed with everything I said, then you would have all the answers and be smart.

Are you really any different? I've seen a few of your posts on the threads I frequent, and I never see you attempt to engage with or understand these ideas. Rather than discuss such concepts, you've been dismissing all counter arguments as stupid and evil because you're so confident in your righteousness. That's how it seems to me, at least.

For once we can agree that each other are dumb and evil.

[The Grene Knyght]

Are you really any different? I've seen a few of your posts on the threads I frequent, and I never see you attempt to engage with or understand these ideas. Rather than discuss such concepts, you've been dismissing all counter arguments as stupid and evil because you're so confident in your righteousness. That's how it seems to me, at least.

For once we can agree that each other are dumb and evil.

But you're entirely missing my point. I'm not saying you're dumb and evil, and I never have. I'm saying your perception of others is masked by your own prejudice against rivalling political ideologies, culminating in you making that ironic and hypocritical statement, which you've just doubled-down on.

[The New Sea Territory]

Since their ideology has been a total failure, all they have left is to try and win some "intellectual" victories.

Which is why you don't hang around here, peddling ascetic and fashy ideas.

[Bakery Hill]

Yeah this is a dumb point - I'm accusing the Kochs of political lobbying and shady connections because they do those things, not because they're some ethnicity I don't like. Are you denying that they do the things I'm accusing them of doing?

Not at all. The Kochs are very bigoted and racist, and the LP is their puppet. So racist that they have:
-used the LP to lobby for same-sex marriage decades before any other
-used the LP to lobby against the Drug War which hurts minorities
-used the LP to lobby against overcriminalization, singlehandedly introducing civil asset forfeiture as a controversy rather than an unknown swindle
-used their blood money to fund the Mercatus Center, an organization so racist it has a research fellow that literally wants to abolish national borders

When will their litany of evils end?

You want evil? This is evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ41JGJGxYs

[Nature-Spirits]

Or, bear with me because this is going to sound crazy, maybe the fact you guys chose to put "anarchy" in the name gives people a certain first impression of your ideology?

Libertarian Socialism is a better description.

I mean, that's the term I usually use for myself these days, but anarchism is a distinct stream within libertarian socialism, and does not constitute libertarian socialism as a whole.

Anarchy is not the same as "chaos" or "destruction".

The definition of anarchy is "a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority." so it kind of is.

Where do you get that definition? Also: Words can have more than one meaning.

Also, most modern anarchists don't use the term "anarchy", but rather "anarchism", partially in order to clarify the intended meaning.

[Nature-Spirits]

Then what do you call libertarian socialism?

Anarchy calls for a stateless society, libertarian socialism however, does not. Further more, “Socialism, like capitalism is an economic system, and anarchy seeks to abolish economics altogether.” Source: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bobby-whittenberg-james-anarchy-breaking-up-with-socialism

Who the fuck is this individualist doofus you're citing? I know a lot of anarchists who would disagree with pretty much everything he says in his essays (I browsed through most of them). Anarchism has always been primarily a collectivist tendency, and this guy's claims fly in the face of that.

[Kubra]

Anarchy calls for a stateless society, libertarian socialism however, does not. Further more, “Socialism, like capitalism is an economic system, and anarchy seeks to abolish economics altogether.” Source: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bobby-whittenberg-james-anarchy-breaking-up-with-socialism

Who the fuck is this individualist doofus you're citing? I know a lot of anarchists who would disagree with pretty much everything he says in his essays (I browsed through most of them). Anarchism has always been primarily a collectivist tendency, and this guy's claims fly in the face of that.

give him a google, he one of them anti-civs

[The New Sea Territory]

Who the fuck is this individualist doofus you're citing? I know a lot of anarchists who would disagree with pretty much everything he says in his essays (I browsed through most of them). Anarchism has always been primarily a collectivist tendency, and this guy's claims fly in the face of that.

give him a google, he one of them anti-civs

The worst.

[Nature-Spirits]

Who the fuck is this individualist doofus you're citing? I know a lot of anarchists who would disagree with pretty much everything he says in his essays (I browsed through most of them). Anarchism has always been primarily a collectivist tendency, and this guy's claims fly in the face of that.

give him a google, he one of them anti-civs

Yeah, I did after I posted that and read some more of his stuff. Wow. He has... a lot of really bad takes.

This guy should not be cited as a reliable source of information on anarchism or, indeed, any left ideology.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Not at all. The Kochs are very bigoted and racist, and the LP is their puppet. So racist that they have:
-used the LP to lobby for same-sex marriage decades before any other
-used the LP to lobby against the Drug War which hurts minorities
-used the LP to lobby against overcriminalization, singlehandedly introducing civil asset forfeiture as a controversy rather than an unknown swindle
-used their blood money to fund the Mercatus Center, an organization so racist it has a research fellow that literally wants to abolish national borders

When will their litany of evils end?

You want evil? This is evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ41JGJGxYs

He wants his clothes to be "cool, interesting, and bold" and yet he has a fucking dollar bag shirt in his line...

How the fuck do we get rid of his company?