Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

[Taihei Tengoku]

How many Luxemburgists are even mentioned in history?

Luxemburgism has never been tried. Obviously, an untested system would not be the focus of much historical analysis.

QED

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

QED--you are irrelevant.

Is a lasting world peace irrelevant? It has never been tried either.

[Taihei Tengoku]

QED--you are irrelevant.

Is a lasting world peace irrelevant? It has never been tried either.

What matters is what actually existed, because they are the most fit for the conditions of the world. As a memetic construct Salafist Marxism is much more successful than Luxemburgism or Trotskyism, which has never taken hold beyond minor academics.

[Orostan]

Is a lasting world peace irrelevant? It has never been tried either.

What matters is what actually existed, because they are the most fit for the conditions of the world. As a memetic construct Salafist Marxism is much more successful than Luxemburgism or Trotskyism, which has never taken hold beyond minor academics.

Rosa Luxembourg literally lead a revolution and Trotsky ran the red army.

[Taihei Tengoku]

What matters is what actually existed, because they are the most fit for the conditions of the world. As a memetic construct Salafist Marxism is much more successful than Luxemburgism or Trotskyism, which has never taken hold beyond minor academics.

Rosa Luxembourg literally lead a revolution and Trotsky ran the red army.

Which is why the KPD ran the German Republic and Trotskyism held any sort of policy influence on the Soviet Union.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

What matters is what actually existed, because they are the most fit for the conditions of the world. As a memetic construct Salafist Marxism is much more successful than Luxemburgism or Trotskyism, which has never taken hold beyond minor academics.

Words, words, and more words. I have no idea what you mean by your hybrid of Salafiyyaẗ (سَلَفِيَّة) and Marxism. The two have nothing in common.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Rosa Luxembourg literally lead a revolution and Trotsky ran the red army.

True, but neither was a head of state.

[Liriena]

Luxemburgism has never been tried.

i cri evrytiem ;_;

[Northern Davincia]

Luxemburgism has never been tried.

i cri evrytiem ;_;

Friedrich Ebert #1!

[Liriena]

i cri evrytiem ;_;

Friedrich Ebert #1!

A "right-libertarian" with a Pinochet avatar.

Why do people insist on proving right my hypothesis that "right libertarianism" is just mildly embarrassed right authoritarianism?

[Republican Corentia]

Friedrich Ebert #1!

A "right-libertarian" with a Pinochet avatar.

Why do people insist on proving right my hypothesis that "right libertarianism" is just mildly embarrassed right authoritarianism?

Because those two terms are based on a political compass test. In reality, libertarianism has a few uncanny connections to fascism in practice.

[Northern Davincia]

Friedrich Ebert #1!

A "right-libertarian" with a Pinochet avatar.

Why do people insist on proving right my hypothesis that "right libertarianism" is just mildly embarrassed right authoritarianism?

Drastic times call for drastic measures.

A "right-libertarian" with a Pinochet avatar.

Why do people insist on proving right my hypothesis that "right libertarianism" is just mildly embarrassed right authoritarianism?

Because those two terms are based on a political compass test. In reality, libertarianism has a few uncanny connections to fascism in practice.

[Republican Corentia]

A "right-libertarian" with a Pinochet avatar.

Why do people insist on proving right my hypothesis that "right libertarianism" is just mildly embarrassed right authoritarianism?

Drastic times call for drastic measures.

Because those two terms are based on a political compass test. In reality, libertarianism has a few uncanny connections to fascism in practice.

What? It's just truth. Why else would the puppetmasters of the U.S. Libertarian Party also support the NSDAP?

Also here's this wonderful bit:

"If and when we as populists and libertarians abolish the welfare state in all of its aspects, and property rights and the free market shall be triumphant once more, many individuals and groups will predictably not like the end result. In that case, those ethnic and other groups who might be concentrated in lower-income or less prestigious occupations, guided by their socialistic mentors, will predictably raise the cry that free-market capitalism is evil and “discriminatory” and that therefore collectivism is needed to redress the balance . . . In short; racialist science is properly not an act of aggression or a cover for oppression of one group over another, but, on the contrary, an operation in defense of private property against assaults by aggressors." - Murray Rothbard

[Northern Davincia]

Drastic times call for drastic measures.

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What? It's just truth. Why else would the puppetmasters of the U.S. Libertarian Party also support the NSDAP?

I don't think you could lie harder if you tried. The LP doesn't have puppetmasters anymore than it has intelligent leaders.

[Aillyria]

A "right-libertarian" with a Pinochet avatar.

Why do people insist on proving right my hypothesis that "right libertarianism" is just mildly embarrassed right authoritarianism?

Because those two terms are based on a political compass test. In reality, libertarianism has a few uncanny connections to fascism in practice.

Idk about Fascism, more like Ayn Rand fan boys.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Drastic times call for drastic measures.

What? It's just truth. Why else would the puppetmasters of the U.S. Libertarian Party also support the NSDAP?

the Koch boogeyman is great because it's literally a leftist Eternal Jew smear

[Republican Corentia]

What? It's just truth. Why else would the puppetmasters of the U.S. Libertarian Party also support the NSDAP?

I don't think you could lie harder if you tried. The LP doesn't have puppetmasters anymore than it has intelligent leaders.

Gary "What is a Leppo?" Johnson really doesn't help your case bud. There's also the fact that libertarian think-tanks are flushed with money from the Kochs, which then feeds directly back into the Libertarian Party as funding for propaganda. Not to mention their tendency to bust into colleges to set up these propaganda centers: https://www.texasobserver.org/koch-free ... exas-tech/

[Republican Corentia]

What? It's just truth. Why else would the puppetmasters of the U.S. Libertarian Party also support the NSDAP?

the Koch boogeyman is great because it's literally a leftist Eternal Jew smear

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard considering the Kochs aren't even Jews (iirc), and I'm not overplaying their involvement in the Libertarian party.

[Dagashi Shoujo]

Most accurate comic ever.

Strasser basically sounds like the Nazi Trotsky.

[Northern Davincia]

I don't think you could lie harder if you tried. The LP doesn't have puppetmasters anymore than it has intelligent leaders.

Gary "What is a Leppo?" Johnson really doesn't help your case bud. There's also the fact that libertarian think-tanks are flushed with money from the Kochs, which then feeds directly back into the Libertarian Party as funding for propaganda. Not to mention their tendency to bust into colleges to set up these propaganda centers: https://www.texasobserver.org/koch-free ... exas-tech/

And what does this have to do with the NSDAP? The Kochs might be assisting libertarian think-tanks but they're not throwing their weight behind the party or its candidates.

[Taihei Tengoku]

the Koch boogeyman is great because it's literally a leftist Eternal Jew smear

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard considering the Kochs aren't even Jews (iirc), and I'm not overplaying their involvement in the Libertarian party.

Kochs are:
-rich
-work by subterfuge
-probably responsible for murder
-incredibly powerful
-but no match against the combined mass and strength of the Common Folk^TM

all that is missing from a literal blood libel is the hook nose

[Republican Corentia]

Gary "What is a Leppo?" Johnson really doesn't help your case bud. There's also the fact that libertarian think-tanks are flushed with money from the Kochs, which then feeds directly back into the Libertarian Party as funding for propaganda. Not to mention their tendency to bust into colleges to set up these propaganda centers: https://www.texasobserver.org/koch-free ... exas-tech/

And what does this have to do with the NSDAP? The Kochs might be assisting libertarian think-tanks but they're not throwing their weight behind the party or its candidates.

They're throwing their weight in the manner billionaires do - by giving millions and millions to the political machinations of "free market" advocates. The reason why this doesn't have anything to do with the NSDAP, funnily enough, is because your reply had nothing to do with the NSDAP. Almost like you were ignoring the point of the original comment or something. For someone who memes/supports Pinochet, you've got a real hankering for avoiding the weird connection fascists and libertarians have.

Refer to my Murray Rothbard quote above where he justifies racialism as some just-caused defense against minorities, and this article:
https://bennorton.com/the-libertarian-fascist-alliance/

[Northern Davincia]

Drastic times call for drastic measures.

What? It's just truth. Why else would the puppetmasters of the U.S. Libertarian Party also support the NSDAP?

Also here's this wonderful bit:

"If and when we as populists and libertarians abolish the welfare state in all of its aspects, and property rights and the free market shall be triumphant once more, many individuals and groups will predictably not like the end result. In that case, those ethnic and other groups who might be concentrated in lower-income or less prestigious occupations, guided by their socialistic mentors, will predictably raise the cry that free-market capitalism is evil and “discriminatory” and that therefore collectivism is needed to redress the balance . . . In short; racialist science is properly not an act of aggression or a cover for oppression of one group over another, but, on the contrary, an operation in defense of private property against assaults by aggressors." - Murray Rothbard

Rothbard is neither the dominant voice for the LP or libertarianism in general.

[Republican Corentia]

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard considering the Kochs aren't even Jews (iirc), and I'm not overplaying their involvement in the Libertarian party.

Kochs are:
-rich
-work by subterfuge
-probably responsible for murder
-incredibly powerful
-but no match against the combined mass and strength of the Common Folk^TM

all that is missing from a literal blood libel is the hook nose

Yeah this is a dumb point - I'm accusing the Kochs of political lobbying and shady connections because they do those things, not because they're some ethnicity I don't like. Are you denying that they do the things I'm accusing them of doing?

[Republican Corentia]

What? It's just truth. Why else would the puppetmasters of the U.S. Libertarian Party also support the NSDAP?

Also here's this wonderful bit:

"If and when we as populists and libertarians abolish the welfare state in all of its aspects, and property rights and the free market shall be triumphant once more, many individuals and groups will predictably not like the end result. In that case, those ethnic and other groups who might be concentrated in lower-income or less prestigious occupations, guided by their socialistic mentors, will predictably raise the cry that free-market capitalism is evil and “discriminatory” and that therefore collectivism is needed to redress the balance . . . In short; racialist science is properly not an act of aggression or a cover for oppression of one group over another, but, on the contrary, an operation in defense of private property against assaults by aggressors." - Murray Rothbard

Rothbard is neither the dominant voice for the LP or libertarianism in general.

"Murray Newton Rothbard (/ˈmɜːri ˈrɒθbɑːrd/; March 2, 1926 – January 7, 1995) was a heterodox economist of the Austrian School,[1][2] a historian,[3][4] and a political theorist[5](pp11, 286, 380) whose writings and personal influence played a seminal role in the development of modern right-libertarianism.[6] Rothbard was the founder and leading theoretician of anarcho-capitalism, a staunch advocate of historical revisionism, and a central figure in the twentieth-century American libertarian movement."

I really wonder how "racial science is justified" came from this Libertarian intellectual/ideologue. Almost like there's some uncanny connections between those two things.