Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

[Democratic Communist Federation]

we think the best option for the world would be Queer Anarchism

There is actually such a thing, but how would straight people, like myself, fit in?

[Dumb Ideologies]

we think the best option for the world would be Queer Anarchism

There is actually such a thing, but how would straight people, like myself, fit in?

Livestock :^)

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Livestock :^)

[Dumb Ideologies]

Livestock :^)

[laughing fails to drown out sounds of holding pen construction]

M-moving on!

[Aillyria]

we think the best option for the world would be Queer Anarchism

Is that even a real thing?

[Liriena]

Yes, those disparities are caused by racism. There is evidence that black people in the United States are more likely to be incarcerated, and tend to get harsher sentences, when compared to white people convicted of the same crime.

Could I ask for some sources on that?

From the ACLU: https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/141027_iachr_racial_disparities_aclu_submission_0.pdf

There are significant racial disparities in sentencing decisions in the United States.1

Sentences imposed on Black males in the federal system are nearly 20 percent longer than those
imposed on white males convicted of similar crimes.2
Black and Latino offenders sentenced in
state and federal courts face significantly greater odds of incarceration than similarly situated
white offenders and receive longer sentences than their white counterparts in some jurisdictions.3

Black male federal defendants receive longer sentences than whites arrested for the same
offenses and with comparable criminal histories.4
Research has also shown that race plays a
significant role in the determination of which homicide cases result in death sentences.5

Also: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/07/polit ... index.html

And while black people and white people are involvemd in drugs in nearly equal numbers, black people are overrepresented in drug convictions.

Blacks make up around 14% of the population. Whites make up between 61% to 78% depending on whether you include Latinos or not.
The very fact that they commit the aforementioned crimes in "equal numbers" with a population almost 4 to 5 time their size is a quite clear proof of their over-representation in committing the crime rather than being sentenced for it.

That's not what I meant.

See: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/ ... 41346.html

White Americans are more likely than black Americans to have used most kinds of illegal drugs, including cocaine, marijuana and LSD. Yet blacks are far more likely to go to prison for drug offenses.

was that a racial bias born out of racism

Do you realize how dumb that question sounds? Racial bias is racism.

Also, when every time the Department of Justice goes to a city in the midst of law enforcement controversy it finds racial bias in law enforcement, it starts to become a pattern.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... on-report/

The disproportionate number of arrests, tickets and use of force stemmed from “unlawful bias,” rather than black people committing more crime.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/09/us/ba ... index.html

BPD stops African-American drivers and pedestrians at disproportionate rates, subjecting them to greater rates of searches than whites, the report said, creating racial disparities at every stage of law enforcement actions, from stop to arrest.
"These racial disparities, along with evidence suggesting intentional discrimination, erode the community trust that is critical to effective policing," the report said.
Among the investigation's findings:
• African-Americans accounted for 95% of 410 individuals stopped at least 10 times from 2010 to 2016
• One African-American man in his 50s was stopped 30 times in less than four years; none of the stops resulted in a citation or criminal charge
• African-Americans accounted for 82% of all BPD vehicle stops though they make up 60% of the driving age population in the city and 27% percent of the driving age population in the greater metropolitan area
• BPD officers found contraband twice as often when searching white individuals compared to African-Americans during vehicle stops and 50% more often during pedestrian stops

Chicago police also got caught trampling on black people's civil rights: https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/ ... -0013.html

Analysis of the report showed that “complaints filed by white individuals were two-and-a-half times more likely to be sustained than complaints filed by black individuals, and nearly two times as likely to be sustained than complaints filed by Latinos.”

The report slammed the Chicago Police department for tolerating “racially discriminatory conduct that not only undermines police legitimacy, but also contributes to the pattern of unreasonable force.”

[Liriena]

Queer anarchism sounds cooler than it actually is, tbqh. I was hoping for Lesbian Separatist Republics.

tfw your lesbian dance theory is so woke you pirouette straight into revolutionary struggle.

tfw lesbians get a dance theory course and all I get is a condom with Daniel Scioli's face on it.

[Liriena]

we think the best option for the world would be Queer Anarchism

Is that even a real thing?

Wiki says yes.

Sounds cool. Better than whatever the heck anarcho-fascism is, at least.

[Community Values]

Is that even a real thing?

Wiki says yes.

Sounds cool. Better than whatever the heck anarcho-fascism is, at least.

>ywn never live in an integralist feudal anarcho monarchist society

[Sriker]

Hey How about the protest in Iran by Workers

[Ostroeuropa]

Is that even a real thing?

Wiki says yes.

Sounds cool. Better than whatever the heck anarcho-fascism is, at least.

Anarchism, I'm sure that'll safeguard the rights of minorities and educate the populace away from instinctual tribalism. It's bound to work. Just like gay rights famously spring forth in areas of low government control over an area, like afghanistan. I mean, it's government that oppresses gays, the belief that society should be ordered in some way and we have guys who do shit and organize us, that's what causes homophobia.

Not like, Ergot induced mania being taken as gospel or anything. That'd never happen in a place without food regulations, it's obvs.

[Great Mojave]

Libertarian gun nut passing through.

[Alsheb]

Hey How about the protest in Iran by Workers

The protests in Iran have died a silent death. Most of the original protesters went home when their movement was under threat of being hijacked.

[Aillyria]

Is that even a real thing?

Wiki says yes.

Sounds cool. Better than whatever the heck anarcho-fascism is, at least.

Ugh...not a fan, identity politics.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Wiki says yes.

Sounds cool. Better than whatever the heck anarcho-fascism is, at least.

Anarchism, I'm sure that'll safeguard the rights of minorities and educate the populace away from instinctual tribalism. It's bound to work. Just like gay rights famously spring forth in areas of low government control over an area, like afghanistan. I mean, it's government that oppresses gays, the belief that society should be ordered in some way and we have guys who do shit and organize us, that's what causes homophobia.

Not like, Ergot induced mania being taken as gospel or anything. That'd never happen in a place without food regulations, it's obvs.

Change your tone or the queerlitia will turn this pride float right round and tickle-you-removed with their feather boas.

[Pilarcraft]

Hey How about the protest in Iran by Workers

they're still going on. from what I found out, there were no major protests yesterday (as in, sunday) but the people hijacked a pro-government protest (that totally wasn't set up by the Basij with coercing people by threatening to fire them) by chanting anti-government protests instead. And today a few more companies went on strike.

Hey How about the protest in Iran by Workers

The protests in Iran have died a silent death. Most of the original protesters went home when their movement was under threat of being hijacked.

Not really. I mean, that statement is true, but not in the way you probably think. because the original protest was definitely hijacked.
Since you obviously have no idea what's happening in Iran, I'll explain. The Original protest in Mashhad was staged by the Hardliner factions in the Iranian Government with the intention of making Rohani (a 'Reformist' President) look bad and possibly even get him sacked. that original protest was hijacked... literally in less than five hours, when workers and generally the lumpen proletariat in Mashhad went to streets and turned the Anti-Rohani protest into an Anti-Establishment protest (chanting "Death to Khamenei" and similar stuff from the very start)
Those protests, which from what we know are definitely leaderless (and, probably, are being incited by the KSA, Israel, and the US) are still going on. they're also more violent than the 09 protest, with acts of arson done often by the protestors (and of course, acts of property destruction done often by the State Agents), and with a horrific number (Well, for a week-old protestation anyway) of deaths, detainments, and injuries.

[Liriena]

Anarchism, I'm sure that'll safeguard the rights of minorities and educate the populace away from instinctual tribalism. It's bound to work. Just like gay rights famously spring forth in areas of low government control over an area, like afghanistan. I mean, it's government that oppresses gays, the belief that society should be ordered in some way and we have guys who do shit and organize us, that's what causes homophobia.

Not like, Ergot induced mania being taken as gospel or anything. That'd never happen in a place without food regulations, it's obvs.

Change your tone or the queerlitia will turn this pride float right round and tickle-you-removed with their feather boas.

That makes me want queer anarchism even more.

[Ostroeuropa]

Anarchism, I'm sure that'll safeguard the rights of minorities and educate the populace away from instinctual tribalism. It's bound to work. Just like gay rights famously spring forth in areas of low government control over an area, like afghanistan. I mean, it's government that oppresses gays, the belief that society should be ordered in some way and we have guys who do shit and organize us, that's what causes homophobia.

Not like, Ergot induced mania being taken as gospel or anything. That'd never happen in a place without food regulations, it's obvs.

Change your tone or the queerlitia will turn this pride float right round and tickle-you-removed with their feather boas.

NS is a pride float?
Suddenly everything makes sense.

[Proctopeo]

Is that even a real thing?

Wiki says yes.

Sounds cool. Better than whatever the heck anarcho-fascism is, at least.

Anarcho-transhumanism is the only based type of anarchism.
At least "Queer Anarchism" is better than "anarcho-primitivism", but then again, so is everything...

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Is that even a real thing?

Polyamory and Queer Anarchism: Infinite Possibilities for Resistance

[Democratic Communist Federation]

That makes me want queer anarchism even more.

Maybe it should be called LGBTQQIA anarchism.

Actually, queer anarchism does not directly relate to being a Lesbian or Gay. It refers to academic queer theory which is strongly influenced by the work of Michel Foucault. The basic argument is that enforced sexual identity is just one way in which the state controls people.

[Aellex]

Could I ask for some sources on that?

From the ACLU: https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/141027_iachr_racial_disparities_aclu_submission_0.pdf

There are significant racial disparities in sentencing decisions in the United States.1

Sentences imposed on Black males in the federal system are nearly 20 percent longer than those
imposed on white males convicted of similar crimes.2
Black and Latino offenders sentenced in
state and federal courts face significantly greater odds of incarceration than similarly situated
white offenders and receive longer sentences than their white counterparts in some jurisdictions.3

Black male federal defendants receive longer sentences than whites arrested for the same
offenses and with comparable criminal histories.4
Research has also shown that race plays a
significant role in the determination of which homicide cases result in death sentences.5

Also: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/07/polit ... index.html

Blacks make up around 14% of the population. Whites make up between 61% to 78% depending on whether you include Latinos or not.
The very fact that they commit the aforementioned crimes in "equal numbers" with a population almost 4 to 5 time their size is a quite clear proof of their over-representation in committing the crime rather than being sentenced for it.

That's not what I meant.

See: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/ ... 41346.html

White Americans are more likely than black Americans to have used most kinds of illegal drugs, including cocaine, marijuana and LSD. Yet blacks are far more likely to go to prison for drug offenses.

was that a racial bias born out of racism

Do you realize how dumb that question sounds? Racial bias is racism.

Also, when every time the Department of Justice goes to a city in the midst of law enforcement controversy it finds racial bias in law enforcement, it starts to become a pattern.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... on-report/

The disproportionate number of arrests, tickets and use of force stemmed from “unlawful bias,” rather than black people committing more crime.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/09/us/ba ... index.html

BPD stops African-American drivers and pedestrians at disproportionate rates, subjecting them to greater rates of searches than whites, the report said, creating racial disparities at every stage of law enforcement actions, from stop to arrest.
"These racial disparities, along with evidence suggesting intentional discrimination, erode the community trust that is critical to effective policing," the report said.
Among the investigation's findings:
• African-Americans accounted for 95% of 410 individuals stopped at least 10 times from 2010 to 2016
• One African-American man in his 50s was stopped 30 times in less than four years; none of the stops resulted in a citation or criminal charge
• African-Americans accounted for 82% of all BPD vehicle stops though they make up 60% of the driving age population in the city and 27% percent of the driving age population in the greater metropolitan area
• BPD officers found contraband twice as often when searching white individuals compared to African-Americans during vehicle stops and 50% more often during pedestrian stops

Chicago police also got caught trampling on black people's civil rights: https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/ ... -0013.html

Analysis of the report showed that “complaints filed by white individuals were two-and-a-half times more likely to be sustained than complaints filed by black individuals, and nearly two times as likely to be sustained than complaints filed by Latinos.”

The report slammed the Chicago Police department for tolerating “racially discriminatory conduct that not only undermines police legitimacy, but also contributes to the pattern of unreasonable force.”

Interesting. I don't have time to read through it all and give it the researched response it deserves right now because I'm currently having end of term exams so I have to put it on hold for now but I'll try to go back to it once I have the time.
Thanks a lot for the sources nonetheless.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Hey How about the protest in Iran by Workers

Sadly, they are not strong enough yet.

[Alsheb]

Hey How about the protest in Iran by Workers

Sadly, they are not strong enough yet.

These protests were not in any way, shape or form a proletarian uprising anyway.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

These protests were not in any way, shape or form a proletarian uprising anyway.

No, but in making the protests, they may be giving a green light to an eventual proletarian uprising.

However, to be honest, I am sadly not that optimistic. The state is too powerful, and that masses are too disorganized.