Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

[Northern Davincia]

If people want to destroy themselves from sheer stupidity, there's not much I can do to intervene. Natural selection and all that.

They haven't really done much as of late. You're fighting a group of small numbers and little impact.

Very true.

Yes. You are a communist because your emotions guided you toward that conclusion, rather than considering the logical outcome of the ideology.

you're lumping all of leftism into one word, lots of complexity and rhetoric in there. So as syndicalist, yout criticism of authoritarian communism doesn't concern me.

Is communism all of leftism?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

The erroneously named "Social Justice" is a fraudulent tactic of the bourgeoisie, it is counterrevolutionary.

So you say. I realize that the whole SJW is a controversial topic among Leftists, including communists. My own view is clear.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

The people being marginalized could be in the wrong.

That does not answer my question. How in the world can marginalization be just [i[for anyone[/i]?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Yes. You are a communist because your emotions guided you toward that conclusion, rather than considering the logical outcome of the ideology.

So you have become an expert on me based on a few sentences in a forum posting? Is that how you reach your conclusions on other matters, too?

[Crysuko]

you're lumping all of leftism into one word, lots of complexity and rhetoric in there. So as syndicalist, yout criticism of authoritarian communism doesn't concern me.

Is communism all of leftism?

not even close

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Likewise, incidents in my life and interaction with this sinful, rotten world infected with capitalist materialism and immorality are the reason, in part, for my own personal views. Still, one must seek truth, and accept it when it is found. BLM is a tool of the bourgeoisie state to misinform and subvert proletarian solidarity.

Please prove it. Prove that the three young women who started the Twitter BLM hashtag were tools of the bourgeoisie.

[Northern Davincia]

Yes. You are a communist because your emotions guided you toward that conclusion, rather than considering the logical outcome of the ideology.

So you have become an expert on me based on a few sentences in a forum posting? Is that how you reach your conclusions on other matters, too?

You said you were a communist because of your empathy with the marginalized.
Tell me, under what logical premise are you a communist?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Is communism all of leftism?

not even close

<clears his throat>

[Democratic Communist Federation]

You said you were a communist because of your empathy with the marginalized.
Tell me, under what logical premise are you a communist?

Go back and reread what I wrote. You seem to have missed, part of the reason.

[Crysuko]

not even close

<clears his throat>

[United Muscovite Nations]

The people being marginalized could be in the wrong.

That does not answer my question. How in the world can marginalization be just [i[for anyone[/i]?

Because, if they weren't marginalized, they could obtain power and alter society with their wrong views.

[War Gears]

This unfortunately reminds us all that communism is an ideology for the emotional rather than the logical.

One of the worst thing about Rand's ideology is the smug assumption that it is "rational," and it's just everyone else who's emotional. Newsflash every ideology is emotional rather than logical. Logic is subservient to emotions.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

IMO, communism is, with a few notable exceptions (like revolutionary syndicalism), identical with the Left.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Because, if they weren't marginalized, they could obtain power and alter society with their wrong views.

You still haven't justified their marginalization or even demonstrated that such marginalization would in anyway be beneficial to society.

[Crysuko]

IMO, communism is, with a few notable exceptions (like revolutionary syndicalism), identical with the Left.

it's not the entire left, with all it's theory and rhetoric. There's a lot of complexities to the entire subject.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Because, if they weren't marginalized, they could obtain power and alter society with their wrong views.

You still haven't justified their marginalization or even demonstrated that such marginalization would in anyway be beneficial to society.

Should fascists be marginalized?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

it's not the entire left, with all it's theory and rhetoric. There's a lot of complexities to the entire subject.

Yes, the issue is certainly complex. However, it is important to define things, too.

[Aillyria]

IMO, communism is, with a few notable exceptions (like revolutionary syndicalism), identical with the Left.

I'd say socialism is identical with the left, and communism being part of that.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Should fascists be marginalized?

IMO, ideally rehabilitated. If that is not possible, imprisoned (if they break any laws) or closely monitored.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Should fascists be marginalized?

IMO, ideally rehabilitated. If that is not possible, imprisoned (if they break any laws) or closely monitored.

So, yes. You do acknowledge, right there, that it can be beneficial to marginalize an opposition group.

[The Grene Knyght]

That is your response?

Yes. You are a communist because your emotions guided you toward that conclusion, rather than considering the logical outcome of the ideology.

not even a hint of irony smh

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I'd say socialism is identical with the left, and communism being part of that.

The problem with the term socialism, in the U.S. (and you said you live in the South), is that it has been distorted by Bernie Sanders falsely claiming to be a socialist while, at the same time, adamantly denying he is a communist (which he isn't). If socialism and communism are used interchangeably (as Marx and Engels did for the most part), I would include socialism by default.

[Northern Davincia]

You said you were a communist because of your empathy with the marginalized.
Tell me, under what logical premise are you a communist?

Go back and reread what I wrote. You seem to have missed, part of the reason.

That's why I'm asking you for the other reasons.

This unfortunately reminds us all that communism is an ideology for the emotional rather than the logical.

One of the worst thing about Rand's ideology is the smug assumption that it is "rational," and it's just everyone else who's emotional. Newsflash every ideology is emotional rather than logical. Logic is subservient to emotions.

>implying I'm an objectivist
See, the notion that logic is below emotion is inherently dangerous. We ought to be striving for a perfectly rational society.

Yes. You are a communist because your emotions guided you toward that conclusion, rather than considering the logical outcome of the ideology.

not even a hint of irony smh

It's all about the level of irony.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

So, yes. You do acknowledge, right there, that it can be beneficial to marginalize an opposition group.

It appears you and I are using the term marginalization differently. Academically, marginalization is roughly equivalent to Gramsci's application of the term, the subaltern.

My point is, if you marginalize people, you dehumanize them and contend that they are hopeless.

[Genivaria]

IMO, communism is, with a few notable exceptions (like revolutionary syndicalism), identical with the Left.

Then you're simply wrong.