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[Camicon]

So I guess nobody was free prior to the creation of firearms?

Nah, you missed my point entirely. Enjoy your "Human Rights Commissions", I'll enjoy my freedom :^) Its not our fault we are the last bastion left.

My point being that you don't need to own a firearm in order to be free.

[The East Marches II]

Nah, you missed my point entirely. Enjoy your "Human Rights Commissions", I'll enjoy my freedom :^) Its not our fault we are the last bastion left.

My point being that you don't need to own a firearm in order to be free.

My point being that is part of being free and the rest of the world wouldn't know about being free in the first place.

[Irona]

I don't know how to break this to you, but firearms are not an integral part of democracy, modern or otherwise.

Yeah, they are, name a single democracy that has been formed or maintained without arms?

If your talking about 'civilian arms' then basically every single one apart from the United States.

[Wysten]

In terms of modern notions of democracy? That would probably be somewhat accurate.

I don't know how to break this to you, but firearms are not an integral part of democracy, modern or otherwise.

They are what keep democracys a float without the people to have the rights to resist tyrants tyrants can have control with little to no resistance from the people.

[Telconi]

Nah, you missed my point entirely. Enjoy your "Human Rights Commissions", I'll enjoy my freedom :^) Its not our fault we are the last bastion left.

My point being that you don't need to own a firearm in order to be free.

I'don't agree with that, just as you don't need to write a political column in order to be free, or vote, or assemble with other people, or practice religion. You simply need the right to do these things.

[Telconi]

Yeah, they are, name a single democracy that has been formed or maintained without arms?

If your talking about 'civilian arms' then basically every single one apart from the United States.

Name one, just one?

[Irona]

I don't know how to break this to you, but firearms are not an integral part of democracy, modern or otherwise.

They are what keep democracys a float without the people to have the rights to resist tyrants tyrants can have control with little to no resistance from the people.

Sorry didn't you notice? Most of the world's democracy's banned civilian firearms and aren't ruled by dictators!

[Camicon]

I don't know how to break this to you, but firearms are not an integral part of democracy, modern or otherwise.

Yeah, they are, name a single democracy that has been formed or maintained without arms?

There's a name, on the tip of my tongue, but I can't quite find it, perhaps because the professor in my Greek and Roman Studies class is currently giving a fascinating lecture on the origin of the Heracles myths.

Weapons are required for the maintenance of a state, or similar social structure. Democracy is a method by which the state is governed. Democracy does not need weapons to exist, states (etc.) do.

[Irona]

If your talking about 'civilian arms' then basically every single one apart from the United States.

Name one, just one?

The UK...

[Telconi]

Name one, just one?

The UK...

TIL the English civil war never happened.

Try again?

[Imperializt Russia]

If your talking about 'civilian arms' then basically every single one apart from the United States.

Name one, just one?

Why don't you name one?

What we would reasonably recognise as a "democracy" (I'm going by universal suffrage tbh) has never been defended solely or largely by the civilian use of arms, as distinct from paramilitary or state action.

[Sovaal]

Name one, just one?

The UK...

English Civil War seems a pretty important part of the evolution of modern Britain.

[Imperializt Russia]

The UK...

TIL the English civil war never happened.

So many England guns in 1600s England, yup.

The state won the English civil war, you would do well to note. So what does the civilian ownership of firearms matter?

[Camicon]

My point being that you don't need to own a firearm in order to be free.

My point being that is part of being free and the rest of the world wouldn't know about being free in the first place.

Right. So if firearms are an integral part of being free, logically, it would stand to reason that nobody was free before they existed.

I don't know how to break this to you, but firearms are not an integral part of democracy, modern or otherwise.

They are what keep democracys a float without the people to have the rights to resist tyrants tyrants can have control with little to no resistance from the people.

They are what states use to maintain their sovereignty. They are not an integral part of democracies.

My point being that you don't need to own a firearm in order to be free.

I'don't agree with that, just as you don't need to write a political column in order to be free, or vote, or assemble with other people, or practice religion. You simply need the right to do these things.

So what other manufactured products do we need to have a right to own in order to be free? Blankets? Box springs? Slip-and-slides? Pants?

[Thermodolia]

They are what keep democracys a float without the people to have the rights to resist tyrants tyrants can have control with little to no resistance from the people.

Sorry didn't you notice? Most of the world's democracy's banned civilian firearms and aren't ruled by dictators!

Um no. France, the UK, Canada, Germany, Switzerland, and several other nations have not banned civilian ownership of weapons

[Community Values]

TIL the English civil war never happened.

So many England guns in 1400s England, yup.

The state won the English civil war, you would do well to note. So what does the civilian ownership of firearms matter?

I think they mean the 1600s English Civil War.

[Irona]

The UK...

English Civil War seems a pretty important part of the evolution of modern Britain.

The civil war was largely the army fighting the army. It also resulted in a dictatorship rather than a democracy.

[Camicon]

Sorry didn't you notice? Most of the world's democracy's banned civilian firearms and aren't ruled by dictators!

Um no. France, the UK, Canada, Germany, Switzerland, and several other nations have not banned civilian ownership of weapons

Nobody in Canada has the right to own a weapon, of any kind.

[Irona]

Sorry didn't you notice? Most of the world's democracy's banned civilian firearms and aren't ruled by dictators!

Um no. France, the UK, Canada, Germany, Switzerland, and several other nations have not banned civilian ownership of weapons

So you would be okay with having the same level of gun control as the UK?

[Sovaal]

Um no. France, the UK, Canada, Germany, Switzerland, and several other nations have not banned civilian ownership of weapons

So you would be okay with having the same level of gun control as the UK?

No.

Canada has some better ideas, but so much of theirs doesn't make sense that I wouldn't want a carbon copy here either.

[The East Marches II]

My point being that is part of being free and the rest of the world wouldn't know about being free in the first place.

Right. So if firearms are an integral part of being free, logically, it would stand to reason that nobody was free before they existed.

Sure, I'll go with UMN's answer.

[Vassenor]

And since Chicago keeps coming up, here's someone disassembling the argument.

[The East Marches II]

TIL the English civil war never happened.

So many England guns in 1600s England, yup.

The state won the English civil war, you would do well to note. So what does the civilian ownership of firearms matter?

You would do well to note we won. So what does the State's regulation of firearms matter? :^)

[Telconi]

TIL the English civil war never happened.

So many England guns in 1400s England, yup.

The state won the English civil war, you would do well to note. So what does the civilian ownership of firearms matter?

Rather the weapon of the day was a gun isn't of consequence.

Which is why after the war the royal family was still in power right? Oh, wait, no, there was this fellow, what was his name? Oliver? TWIST! Oh, fuck, no, CROMWELL! That's it!

[Thermodolia]

Um no. France, the UK, Canada, Germany, Switzerland, and several other nations have not banned civilian ownership of weapons

Nobody in Canada has the right to own a weapon, of any kind.

Yes but they said banned not the word rights