26 Dead including children at San Antonio Church massacre

[Thermodolia]

The Air Force failed to follow policy and alert the FBI about the shooter. Apparently if they Air Force had followed policy he wouldn't have passed a gun background check https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... -firearms/

Corn said it appears there is confusion within the Air Force, and other military branches, about only reporting violent crimes that result in dishonorable discharges, which are more severe punishments under military law than the bad conduct discharge Kelley received.

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Sky Gerrond, a former Air Force security operations officer, said that the Air Force appears to have a preference for handing down bad conduct discharges rather than dishonorable discharges because, administratively, they are less burdensome and time consuming.

Gerrond, who spent seven years in military law enforcement, said a dishonorable discharge may have been a more appropriate punishment for the severity of Kelley’s crime. Had the Air Force taken such measures, Gerrond said, it is more likely the details of Kelley’s conviction would have reached the FBI’s database.

A church of people shot because of administrative laziness?

Pretty much. Heads are going to roll. Someone in the Air Force is going to be in big trouble

[Camicon]

This assumes the accuracy of data that I have already shown is inaccurate.

You have done no such thing-you only disagreed with their definition of "mass shooting", which did not include gang violence. If you want to use a different definition, by all means, but theirs was in no way disproved.

I see you continue to ignore the whole "very likely that some events have been overlooked or incorrectly omitted" bit, eh? When the authors are prefacing their data by saying "yeah, it's almost certainly incomplete or straight up wrong" then you can't trust their data.

When the authors of a secondary source, a meta-analysis on mass shootings, say that they excluded a whole sub-set of mass shootings, then that meta-analysis becomes invalid as a citation when talking about all mass-shootings. It would be like if we were talking about penalties in the NHL versus the KHL and I kept citing a book that Kerry Fraser wrote even though he excluded tripping minors.

Once again, the fact that their definitions differs from yours does not invalidate their data.

It is the equivalent of saying that the all-time record for passing touchdowns is invalid, because it does not include touchdowns in the playoffs, a whole subset of passing touchdowns. The data is still entirely valid-you simply promote a broader definition.

See, if their data was complete and correct, which they say it is not, then you could use their arguments in a conversation comparing non-gang related firearm violence in the US to the same in Norway. But you're not. You are using their data - again, incomplete and incorrect, by the authors own admission - comparing non-gang related firearm violence in the US to all firearm violence in Norway.

The two data sets do not have the same parameters. You cannot compare data sets that don't have the same parameters.

[EDIT[ It's the same reason that Sweden (I think) appears to have a much higher rate of rape than the US. Sweden, in recent years, expanded their legal definition of rape, so there are things in Sweden that are counted as rape that are not counted as rape in the US. You can't even make a straight comparison of Sweden's current data to that of ten years ago, because the definition changed. The parameters, those things that determines what information gets collected and examined by researchers, changed.

[Herador]

Corn said it appears there is confusion within the Air Force, and other military branches, about only reporting violent crimes that result in dishonorable discharges, which are more severe punishments under military law than the bad conduct discharge Kelley received.

...

Sky Gerrond, a former Air Force security operations officer, said that the Air Force appears to have a preference for handing down bad conduct discharges rather than dishonorable discharges because, administratively, they are less burdensome and time consuming.

Gerrond, who spent seven years in military law enforcement, said a dishonorable discharge may have been a more appropriate punishment for the severity of Kelley’s crime. Had the Air Force taken such measures, Gerrond said, it is more likely the details of Kelley’s conviction would have reached the FBI’s database.

A church of people shot because of administrative laziness?

Pretty much. Heads are going to roll. Someone in the Air Force is going to be in big trouble

Dude is going to get the mother of all knife hands.

But really though, I hope whoever did this gets fucked.

[Petrasylvania]

Trump Junior is getting triggered that people aren't marching in lockstep with the whole "sending thoughts and prayers" thing.

He's triggered that they're not sending thoughts and prayers to him, especially with Hurricane Robert headed his way.

[Petrasylvania]

Pretty much. Heads are going to roll. Someone in the Air Force is going to be in big trouble

Dude is going to get the mother of all knife hands.

But really though, I hope whoever did this gets fucked.

And then when he gets discharged, they'll remind the replacement to notify the FBI.

[Thermodolia]

Pretty much. Heads are going to roll. Someone in the Air Force is going to be in big trouble

Dude is going to get the mother of all knife hands.

But really though, I hope whoever did this gets fucked.

I want to be a fly on the wall during that conversation

[Albrenia]

So this particular incident could have been prevented by gun laws that were already in place if the Air Force person wasn't a lazy suchandsuch that failed to do his job?

Damn. That's gonna haunt that lazy asshole, I imagine. Probably the families of the 26 dead more though...

[Vassenor]

So this particular incident could have been prevented by gun laws that were already in place if the Air Force person wasn't a lazy suchandsuch that failed to do his job?

Damn. That's gonna haunt that lazy asshole, I imagine. Probably the families of the 26 dead more though...

I think there's enough red tape involved that everyone concerned can pretend they had nothing to do with it. The proverbial blank in the firing squad.

[Herador]

So this particular incident could have been prevented by gun laws that were already in place if the Air Force person wasn't a lazy suchandsuch that failed to do his job?

Damn. That's gonna haunt that lazy asshole, I imagine. Probably the families of the 26 dead more though...

Hopefully this is a good enough reminder that some other admin clerk doesn't fuck it up again.

I think there's enough red tape involved that everyone concerned can pretend they had nothing to do with it. The proverbial blank in the firing squad.

Even if the public never gets name, and frankly I'm not super sure we should given what someone might do to the idiot, I think they're gonna get in some shit for what happened. There has to be a way to trace who worked on the shooters paperwork.

[Camicon]

So this particular incident could have been prevented by gun laws that were already in place if the Air Force person wasn't a lazy suchandsuch that failed to do his job?

Damn. That's gonna haunt that lazy asshole, I imagine. Probably the families of the 26 dead more though...

I think there's enough red tape involved that everyone concerned can pretend they had nothing to do with it. The proverbial blank in the firing squad.

Red tape is a fantastic load-bearing material.

[Herador]

I think there's enough red tape involved that everyone concerned can pretend they had nothing to do with it. The proverbial blank in the firing squad.

Red tape is a fantastic load-bearing material.

Jesus Christ, that's grim.

[Thermodolia]

So this particular incident could have been prevented by gun laws that were already in place if the Air Force person wasn't a lazy suchandsuch that failed to do his job?

Damn. That's gonna haunt that lazy asshole, I imagine. Probably the families of the 26 dead more though...

I think there's enough red tape involved that everyone concerned can pretend they had nothing to do with it. The proverbial blank in the firing squad.

Not really. The Air Force is going to be in big shit over this. They hand out BCD because it's less paperwork than a DD. That's going to stop for definite

[Rusozak]

Trump Junior is getting triggered that people aren't marching in lockstep with the whole "sending thoughts and prayers" thing.

They do know that praying does NOTHING, right? "Sending thoughts are prayers" is just a nice way of saying you feel sorry but don't actually care enough to do something productive.

[Albrenia]

Trump Junior is getting triggered that people aren't marching in lockstep with the whole "sending thoughts and prayers" thing.

They do know that praying does NOTHING, right? "Sending thoughts are prayers" is just a nice way of saying you feel sorry but don't actually care enough to do something productive.

Some people think prayers can help people get into heaven or send good fortune their way.

[Telconi]

They do know that praying does NOTHING, right? "Sending thoughts are prayers" is just a nice way of saying you feel sorry but don't actually care enough to do something productive.

Some people think prayers can help people get into heaven or send good fortune their way.

Or they're unable to do anything productive?

[Fartsniffage]

They do know that praying does NOTHING, right? "Sending thoughts are prayers" is just a nice way of saying you feel sorry but don't actually care enough to do something productive.

Some people think prayers can help people get into heaven or send good fortune their way.

Some people think that the more you water down a medication, the more potent it becomes. Not all beliefs or opinions are equally valid.

[Thermodolia]

They do know that praying does NOTHING, right? "Sending thoughts are prayers" is just a nice way of saying you feel sorry but don't actually care enough to do something productive.

Some people think prayers can help people get into heaven or send good fortune their way.

There's nothing wrong with thinking that. It generally doesn't do any harm

[Herador]

They do know that praying does NOTHING, right? "Sending thoughts are prayers" is just a nice way of saying you feel sorry but don't actually care enough to do something productive.

Some people think prayers can help people get into heaven or send good fortune their way.

I know a guy who chopped his dong off and ate it to be closer to god.

[Albrenia]

Some people think prayers can help people get into heaven or send good fortune their way.

I know a guy who chopped his dong off and ate it to be closer to god.

You know some pretty weird people.

[Len Hyet]

Some people think prayers can help people get into heaven or send good fortune their way.

I know a guy who chopped his dong off and ate it to be closer to god.

You got a new flag mate, when'd that happen?

[Camicon]

Some people think prayers can help people get into heaven or send good fortune their way.

There's nothing wrong with thinking that. It generally doesn't do any harm

No active harm, maybe. But getting warm and fuzzies feeling from doing nothing, instead of something, certainly doesn't help matters.

[Herador]

I know a guy who chopped his dong off and ate it to be closer to god.

You got a new flag mate, when'd that happen?

I change it pretty often, five times in the last month at least.

You know some pretty weird people.

Trust me, it gets worse.

[Sovaal]

You got a new flag mate, when'd that happen?

I change it pretty often, five times in the last month at least.

You know some pretty weird people.

Trust me, it gets worse.

I don't see how anything can beat auto-cannibalization of ones genitals.

[Camicon]

I change it pretty often, five times in the last month at least.


Trust me, it gets worse.

I don't see how anything can beat auto-cannibalization of ones genitals.

And I'd rather not read anything further about it in this thread that is not about the weird people Herador knows.

[Herador]

I don't see how anything can beat auto-cannibalization of ones genitals.

And I'd rather not read anything further about it in this thread that is not about the weird people Herador knows.

I don't blame you.