26 Dead including children at San Antonio Church massacre

[Telconi]

So, prohibiting a person from buying something, or posessing something, is a ban on said thing. Yes?

How does not owning an AK or FAL prevent you from owning a firearm? There are a number of cars, largely racing models, that are not road legal in the UK. As are certain off-road vehicles (mostly ATVs).

Because the AK and the FAL are firearms... So prohibiting me from owning an AK (a firearm) prevents me from owning an AK (which is still a firearm). I don't understand why the concept is so difficult for you to grasp, gun bans ban guns... conversely, banning a gun is a gun ban... It's pretty stinking simple.

[Kramania]

Cry me a river. Boo hoo hoo, the mean old people won't let you oppress them.

When you consider making sure unhinged people like this latest one doesn't get to own or legally purchase guns the same as oppression then I'm not the one with issues.

He was dishonorably discharged from the military. Personnel who are dishonorably discharged aren't fucking allowed to own guns.

[Len Hyet]

So, prohibiting a person from buying something, or posessing something, is a ban on said thing. Yes?

How does not owning an AK or FAL prevent you from owning a firearm? There are a number of cars, largely racing models, that are not road legal in the UK. As are certain off-road vehicles (mostly ATVs).

FN FAL is the Right Arm of the Free World god damn it.

When you consider making sure unhinged people like this latest one doesn't get to own or legally purchase guns the same as oppression then I'm not the one with issues.

He was dishonorably discharged from the military. Personnel who are dishonorably discharged aren't fucking allowed to own guns.

Bad Conduct discharge actually, step above a DD, though not by much. Technically that didn't prohibit him from owning firearms. His felony domestic violence conviction prevented him from owning firearms.

[Uiiop]

So, prohibiting a person from buying something, or posessing something, is a ban on said thing. Yes?

How does not owning an AK or FAL prevent you from owning a firearm? There are a number of cars, largely racing models, that are not road legal in the UK. As are certain off-road vehicles (mostly ATVs).

Because the over-simplistic way to solve this semantic issue is replace a with all and add plurals.

[Fartsniffage]

FN FAL is the Right Arm of the Free World god damn it.

I'm amazed the FN FAL is legal in the US.

[Len Hyet]

FN FAL is the Right Arm of the Free World god damn it.

I'm amazed the FN FAL is legal in the US.

Well it isn't in certain parts.

CoughCaliforniacough

[Fartsniffage]

I'm amazed the FN FAL is legal in the US.

Well it isn't in certain parts.

CoughCaliforniacough

You must know the matchstick trick though?

[Camicon]

I have made no claims to retract. All I've done is point out that the source you're using the back your statements is, at best, incomplete, as acknowledge by the authors themselves.

Then I'll phrase it as a question-do you believe that gang mass shootings are somehow enough, several times more than all other mass shootings, to bring the U.S. rate up to Norway's?"

The ratio, as my point is, is so far imbalanced against Norway, that even if the limitations of the mass shootings counted meant that they got only half of them, it would still be over four times higher for Norway.

The point is that the U.S. does not have a vastly higher fatality or frequency rate of mass shootings than other countries such as Norway and Finland, regardless of the exact ratio. This isn't operating as a study, it's making a general statement of relative relations. If we can leave it at that, I am quite happy with moving on.

This assumes the accuracy of data that I have already shown is inaccurate.

Demonstrating that the source you are using is flawed does not obligate me to disprove your claim, it obligates you to find a different source.

Not at all. Demonstrating that a source is imperfect does not disprove the point unless the imperfections of the source can be shown to disprove it. In this case, that would require gang mass shootings to be eight times the number of other mass shootings. That must be demonstrated to disprove my point. That a source is not perfect does not make it useless, especially with this great a discrepancy in rate.

When the authors of a secondary source, a meta-analysis on mass shootings, say that they excluded a whole sub-set of mass shootings, then that meta-analysis becomes invalid as a citation when talking about all mass-shootings. It would be like if we were talking about penalties in the NHL versus the KHL and I kept citing a book that Kerry Fraser wrote even though he excluded tripping minors.

[Len Hyet]

Well it isn't in certain parts.

CoughCaliforniacough

You must know the matchstick trick though?

The matchstick pen gun?

[Thermodolia]

When you consider making sure unhinged people like this latest one doesn't get to own or legally purchase guns the same as oppression then I'm not the one with issues.

He was dishonorably discharged from the military. Personnel who are dishonorably discharged aren't fucking allowed to own guns.

No he got a Big Chicken Dinner not a DD

[Fartsniffage]

You must know the matchstick trick though?

The matchstick pen gun?

You can make a FAL fully auto with a matchstick. Have your rock and roll fun then take it out. No permanent modification.

[Telconi]

The matchstick pen gun?

You can make a FAL fully auto with a matchstick. Have your rock and roll fun then take it out. No permanent modification.

Desire for FAL intensifies...

[Imperializt Russia]

How does not owning an AK or FAL prevent you from owning a firearm? There are a number of cars, largely racing models, that are not road legal in the UK. As are certain off-road vehicles (mostly ATVs).

Because the over-simplistic way to solve this semantic issue is replace a with all and add plurals.

Thank you, but I simply can't be arsed with the **** anymore.

[Len Hyet]

The matchstick pen gun?

You can make a FAL fully auto with a matchstick. Have your rock and roll fun then take it out. No permanent modification.

Ahh, I think I heard rumors about your lot doing that during the Falkland tiff, thought it was just an urban myth.

[Imperializt Russia]

You can make a FAL fully auto with a matchstick. Have your rock and roll fun then take it out. No permanent modification.

Ahh, I think I heard rumors about your lot doing that during the Falkland tiff, thought it was just an urban myth.

I suspect this is specific to the L1A1 variant the British (and Commonwealth) forces bought and issued, somewhere in its design, and rather not something inherent to the design of a semi-auto-only FAL derivative.

I of course couldn't demonstrate such though.

[Fartsniffage]

You can make a FAL fully auto with a matchstick. Have your rock and roll fun then take it out. No permanent modification.

Ahh, I think I heard rumors about your lot doing that during the Falkland tiff, thought it was just an urban myth.

Nope, very real.

[Len Hyet]

Ahh, I think I heard rumors about your lot doing that during the Falkland tiff, thought it was just an urban myth.

I suspect this is specific to the L1A1 variant the British (and Commonwealth) forces bought and issued, somewhere in its design, and rather not something inherent to the design of a semi-auto-only FAL derivative.

I of course couldn't demonstrate such though.

I've got a feeling you're right.

[Sovaal]

You can make a FAL fully auto with a matchstick. Have your rock and roll fun then take it out. No permanent modification.

Ahh, I think I heard rumors about your lot doing that during the Falkland tiff, thought it was just an urban myth.

Heard the Aussies did it in Vietnam as well.

[Zanera]

Texas shooting: Gunman Devin Kelley 'had row with mother-in-law'

Given how many children died and among them was a one-year-old ima say...

That's completely fucking retarded.

[Fartsniffage]

Texas shooting: Gunman Devin Kelley 'had row with mother-in-law'

Given how many children died and among them was a one-year-old ima say...

That's completely fucking retarded.

Well according to popular culture, mothers-in-law can be very irritating.

[Vassenor]

Trump Junior is getting triggered that people aren't marching in lockstep with the whole "sending thoughts and prayers" thing.

[Zanera]

Texas shooting: Gunman Devin Kelley 'had row with mother-in-law'

Given how many children died and among them was a one-year-old ima say...

That's completely fucking retarded.

Well according to popular culture, mothers-in-law can be very irritating.

Beat up a garden gnome then. Not shoot babies.

[Thermodolia]

The Air Force failed to follow policy and alert the FBI about the shooter. Apparently if they Air Force had followed policy he wouldn't have passed a gun background check https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... -firearms/

[Xelsis]

This assumes the accuracy of data that I have already shown is inaccurate.

You have done no such thing-you only disagreed with their definition of "mass shooting", which did not include gang violence. If you want to use a different definition, by all means, but theirs was in no way disproved.

When the authors of a secondary source, a meta-analysis on mass shootings, say that they excluded a whole sub-set of mass shootings, then that meta-analysis becomes invalid as a citation when talking about all mass-shootings. It would be like if we were talking about penalties in the NHL versus the KHL and I kept citing a book that Kerry Fraser wrote even though he excluded tripping minors.

Once again, the fact that their definitions differs from yours does not invalidate their data.

It is the equivalent of saying that the all-time record for passing touchdowns is invalid, because it does not include touchdowns in the playoffs, a whole subset of passing touchdowns. The data is still entirely valid-you simply promote a broader definition.

[Zanera]

The Air Force failed to follow policy and alert the FBI about the shooter. Apparently if they Air Force had followed policy he wouldn't have passed a gun background check https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... -firearms/

Corn said it appears there is confusion within the Air Force, and other military branches, about only reporting violent crimes that result in dishonorable discharges, which are more severe punishments under military law than the bad conduct discharge Kelley received.

...

Sky Gerrond, a former Air Force security operations officer, said that the Air Force appears to have a preference for handing down bad conduct discharges rather than dishonorable discharges because, administratively, they are less burdensome and time consuming.

Gerrond, who spent seven years in military law enforcement, said a dishonorable discharge may have been a more appropriate punishment for the severity of Kelley’s crime. Had the Air Force taken such measures, Gerrond said, it is more likely the details of Kelley’s conviction would have reached the FBI’s database.

A church of people shot because of administrative laziness?