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Liriena wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That wasn't an invasion. That was giving some upset dudes rifles and saying charge.

We need an Operation Cuban Freedom.

You want a Cuban ISIS? Because that's how you get a Cuban ISIS.

Seriously, from the bottom of my heart, keep your incompetent, endlessly toxic hands off Latin America for once in your imperialist history.

Since when is Cuba a hotbed for fundamentalism?

Kramania wrote:

Liriena wrote:You... really don't know how to banter, do you?

That's not banter.

More of a statement of fact.

Unlikely. You're too far away to factually hear my bones crack.

Your hyperbole sucked. Deal with it.

Liriena wrote:

Kramania wrote:That's not banter.

More of a statement of fact.

Unlikely. You're too far away to factually hear my bones crack.

Your hyperbole sucked. Deal with it.

You don't know where I am.

I could be in some Cuban warehouse being tortured by their secret police for being a dirty capitalist while sneak-posting on NS from a phone I smuggled in for all you know.

Liriena wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Keep up that kinda talk and your country is gonna see the rockets red glare too

See, this is why some of us are starting to make heart eyes at Xi Jinping.

>implying China could do anything more than throw hordes of unarmed peasants at us

Commies plz

Rusozak wrote:

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
It's a simple "fuck you" sentiment, what's so hard to understand about it?

Okay, but why?

Because Raul is just as bad as his brother and Guevara.

Plus, the Cold War is over and Cuba needs to take the hint.

Kramania wrote:

Liriena wrote:I don't recall... but I imagine it's roughly the same or slightly better than that of many US-backed far right tyrannies.

"Waaaaa, waaaaa, you did a mean so I get to do a mean as well!!!"

Literally your entire argument whenever anyone points out how much regimes that you apologize for suck.

Grow up.

Been there, done that, you're being a huge hypocrite. You pay lip service to human rights when it suits you, and that's what I was trying to prove. You whine about "Marxist dictatorships", but that seems to be as far as your concern for human rights violations goes.

I don't deny that Cuba is far from a human rights utopia. Even if I have much respect for some of the Castro regime's accomplishments, I would not seek to emulate their single-party democracy and its treatment of dissidents. I'm a libertarian leftist.

Try again... and do grow up. ;3

The Founding Fatherland wrote:

Rusozak wrote:
Okay, but why?

Because Raul is just as bad as his brother and Guevara.

Plus, the Cold War is over and Cuba needs to take the hint.

We're the ones embargoing Cuba like it's still a Soviet puppet but okay...

The Founding Fatherland wrote:

Rusozak wrote:What does the embargo even aim to accomplish anymore, anyways? It lost its relevance when the USSR fell. Not like Cuba's the last bastion in the world for communism and choking them dry is doing anything to help the region or the world.

It's a simple "fuck you" sentiment, what's so hard to understand about it?

So it's a purely symbolic gesture that doesn't seem to be affecting the stability of the Castro regime in the least, and at most is simply making the life of the average Cuban citizen harder.

Brilliant. That's a sure way of winning the fight against the red menace.

Liriena wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Keep up that kinda talk and your country is gonna see the rockets red glare too

See, this is why some of us are starting to make heart eyes at Xi Jinping.

The only people who look at Xi Jinping with heart eyes don't do it willingly.

The Founding Fatherland wrote:

Liriena wrote:You want a Cuban ISIS? Because that's how you get a Cuban ISIS.

Seriously, from the bottom of my heart, keep your incompetent, endlessly toxic hands off Latin America for once in your imperialist history.

Since when is Cuba a hotbed for fundamentalism?

What I meant that an invasion of Cuba would probably be an invitation to a repeat of the same disaster your lot caused in Iraq.

Liriena wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That wasn't an invasion. That was giving some upset dudes rifles and saying charge.

We need an Operation Cuban Freedom.

You want a Cuban ISIS? Because that's how you get a Cuban ISIS.

Seriously, from the bottom of my heart, keep your incompetent, endlessly toxic hands off Latin America for once in your imperialist history.

Y'know, for a supposedly imperialist evil empire, America doesn't hold a terribly large number of overseas territories and colonies. Or even nominal puppet states for that matter. Hell, the US didn't even lift a finger in protest when the Pink Tide was sweeping across Latin America a decade ago.

But I suppose that's all irrelevant, since South America needs its eternal American boogeyman to blame for all its woes, lest people start recognizing the actual corruption in their Socialist shit-states. But hey, the evil military juntas are gone, so the rampant cartel violence, unemployment and economic implosion is all worthwhile.

Kramania wrote:

Liriena wrote:Unlikely. You're too far away to factually hear my bones crack.

Your hyperbole sucked. Deal with it.

You don't know where I am.

I could be in some Cuban warehouse being tortured by their secret police for being a dirty capitalist while sneak-posting on NS from a phone I smuggled in for all you know.

Sad. I oppose torture. Seizing your sugar plantations and freeing your enslaved workers is cool, but torture is wrong, useless and unnecessary. Bad Cuba. Let Kramania go.

Liriena wrote:

Kramania wrote:"Waaaaa, waaaaa, you did a mean so I get to do a mean as well!!!"

Literally your entire argument whenever anyone points out how much regimes that you apologize for suck.

Grow up.

Been there, done that, you're being a huge hypocrite. You pay lip service to human rights when it suits you, and that's what I was trying to prove. You whine about "Marxist dictatorships", but that seems to be as far as your concern for human rights violations goes.

I don't deny that Cuba is far from a human rights utopia. Even if I have much respect for some of the Castro regime's accomplishments, I would not seek to emulate their single-party democracy and its treatment of dissidents. I'm a libertarian leftist.

Try again... and do grow up. ;3

The difference between you and me, dear friend, is that I don't sit her trying to apologize for right-wing dictatorships. You, on the other hand... well I've seen you try and defend Cuba and Lenin.

You pay lip service to human rights, but when it comes down to it you'll sell your soul and defend left-wing dictatorships. And then you backpedal when you get called out on it.

You're a hypocrite. And you're also morally bankrupt.

Do try and grow up, as you would say.

Rusozak wrote:

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Because Raul is just as bad as his brother and Guevara.

Plus, the Cold War is over and Cuba needs to take the hint.

We're the ones embargoing Cuba like it's still a Soviet puppet but okay...

They might as well be considering they haven't changed one iota.

Liriena wrote:

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
It's a simple "fuck you" sentiment, what's so hard to understand about it?

So it's a purely symbolic gesture that doesn't seem to be affecting the stability of the Castro regime in the least, and at most is simply making the life of the average Cuban citizen harder.

Brilliant. That's a sure way of winning the fight against the red menace.

Exactly why I propose either a blockade or an invasion. Eventually either Castro will give in or the people will overthrow him.

Either way the result is the same: Victory.

Liriena wrote:

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Since when is Cuba a hotbed for fundamentalism?

What I meant that an invasion of Cuba would probably be an invitation to a repeat of the same disaster your lot caused in Iraq.

If Britain and France hadn't fucked up the Middle East that wouldn't have happened to begin with.

When Cuba decides to allow free and fair elections and separate state from party, we should lift the embargo.

Community Values wrote:When Cuba decides to allow free and fair elections and separate state from party, we should lift the embargo.

Nationalist autocracy would be my preference, personally.

Community Values wrote:When Cuba decides to allow free and fair elections and separate state from party, we should lift the embargo.

But that's inconsistent with US actions to other nations. What is Cuba doing that is infinitely more atrocias than Saudi Arabia or any other repressive shithole we do business with?

'Sides, you catch more flies using honey. and catch more honies by being fly.

Sanctissima wrote:

Liriena wrote:You want a Cuban ISIS? Because that's how you get a Cuban ISIS.

Seriously, from the bottom of my heart, keep your incompetent, endlessly toxic hands off Latin America for once in your imperialist history.

Y'know, for a supposedly imperialist evil empire, America doesn't hold a terribly large number of overseas territories and colonies.

Mmmm... simplistic pedantry. So yummy. :3

Sanctissima wrote:Or even nominal puppet states for that matter. Hell, there the US didn't even lift a finger in protest when the Pink Tide was sweeping across Latin America a decade ago.

You mean other than collude with political and economic powers in Latin America to undermine the Pink Tide's governments, as was demonstrated by Wikileaks years ago?

I think some of my fellow Latin American leftists are a bit too paranoid, but they are not entirely wrong about the many insidious ways our northern neighbour has used to perpetuate its political and economic dominance over us.

Sanctissima wrote:But I suppose that's all irrelevant, since South America needs its eternal American boogeyman to blame for all its woes, lest people start recognizing the actual corruption in their Socialist shit-states. But hey, the evil military juntas are gone, so the rampant cartel violence, unemployment and economic implosion is all worthwhile.

Ah, yes, because South American history has only had two types of governments: military juntas and "socialist" governments, and everything can be traced down to just those two. The 80s and 90s didn't happen, and Chavez and Kirchner invented corruption, cartel violence, unemployment and "economic implosion" out of thin air. Also, please ignore the fact that progressive governments in South America have at times been quite successful economically, and right-wing governments have at times been absolute disasters.

Honestly, if you're going to try and be a snarky smarty pants about South America, at least make the effort not to sound like someone who is just regurgitating what they heard on the American TV.

Community Values wrote:When Cuba decides to allow free and fair elections and separate state from party, we should lift the embargo.

Why isn't Saudi Arabia embargoed?

Valrifell wrote:

Community Values wrote:When Cuba decides to allow free and fair elections and separate state from party, we should lift the embargo.

But that's inconsistent with US actions to other nations. What is Cuba doing that is infinitely more atrocias than Saudi Arabia or any other repressive shithole we do business with?

'Sides, you catch more flies using honey. and catch more honies by being fly.

Tbqh we should blow the Saudi government to shit too.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
But that's inconsistent with US actions to other nations. What is Cuba doing that is infinitely more atrocias than Saudi Arabia or any other repressive shithole we do business with?

'Sides, you catch more flies using honey. and catch more honies by being fly.

Tbqh we should blow the Saudi government to shit too.

We should have blown them to shit after 9/11.

Liriena wrote:

Community Values wrote:When Cuba decides to allow free and fair elections and separate state from party, we should lift the embargo.

Why isn't Saudi Arabia embargoed?

Or China, really.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
But that's inconsistent with US actions to other nations. What is Cuba doing that is infinitely more atrocias than Saudi Arabia or any other repressive shithole we do business with?

'Sides, you catch more flies using honey. and catch more honies by being fly.

Tbqh we should blow the Saudi government to shit too.

But they just let women drive! Also, they have oil.

Valrifell wrote:

Liriena wrote:Why isn't Saudi Arabia embargoed?

Or China, really.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tbqh we should blow the Saudi government to shit too.

But they just let women drive! Also, they have oil.

Because China has nukes.

Valrifell wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tbqh we should blow the Saudi government to shit too.

But they just let women drive! Also, they have oil.

Exactly! We should invade, set up a nice right wing puppet and give all the oil rights to American companies!

Kramania wrote:

Liriena wrote:Been there, done that, you're being a huge hypocrite. You pay lip service to human rights when it suits you, and that's what I was trying to prove. You whine about "Marxist dictatorships", but that seems to be as far as your concern for human rights violations goes.

I don't deny that Cuba is far from a human rights utopia. Even if I have much respect for some of the Castro regime's accomplishments, I would not seek to emulate their single-party democracy and its treatment of dissidents. I'm a libertarian leftist.

Try again... and do grow up. ;3

The difference between you and me, dear friend, is that I don't sit her trying to apologize for right-wing dictatorships.

Kramania wrote:Pinochet, Salazar, Franco.

One misses them.

Kramania wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
When did supporting fascism become acceptable again?

Right around the time supporting communism became acceptable again.

Morally bankrupt, hypocritical and dishonest. What a combo. ;3