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UN Vote Against the US Embargo on Cuba. a maximum of 6 Poll options

01 It is shameful and deplorable like a basket of deplorables, for western style democratic nations to demand democracy and sanctions on Venezuela and other nations but not on Cuba.
27
8%
02 I support the US Embargo on Cuba until Cuba becomes a western style multi political party nation.
40
12%
03 I support western style multi political party democracy in Cuba, and an end to the US embargo on Cuba right now.
44
14%
04 I support the government or the democratic government of Cuba as it is right now, and an end to the US Economic Embargo Blockade on Cuba.
46
14%
05 As long as the Committees for the defense of the revolution CDRs exist in Cuba their will be no real democratic change in Cuba we can believe in.
22
7%
06 The elections in Cuba are not democratic elections.
59
18%
07 The elections in Cuba are democratic elections.
21
6%
08 The Cuban government is responsible for the alleged sonic attacks on US diplomats and Canadians in La Habana.
22
7%
09 The US government is responsible for the alleged sonic attacks on US diplomats in La Habana and it is using it as an excuse to derail the improved US Cuba diplomatic relations.
20
6%
10 A US naval blockade of Cuba, nothing goes in nothing goes out, until the government falls, pick up Cuban Balsero Rafters if possible.
24
7%
 
Total votes : 325

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The Founding Fatherland
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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:00 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Obama shouldn't have lifted them to begin with.

Why not? The embargo was pretty pointless at this point. It's been over fifty years and Cuba still ain't yielding.


Hhmmm, good point.

Should have invaded them when the USSR collapsed.
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Kramania
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Postby Kramania » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:00 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Obama shouldn't have lifted them to begin with.

Why not? The embargo was pretty pointless at this point. It's been over fifty years and Cuba still ain't yielding.

Cuz Cuba sucks so we embargo them. We don't really need to tolerate Marxist dictatorships anymore. Only reason we tolerate China is because they have a giant economy. Cuba has nothing significant to offer us besides cigars.
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San Marlindo
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Postby San Marlindo » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:01 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Liriena wrote:Why not? The embargo was pretty pointless at this point. It's been over fifty years and Cuba still ain't yielding.


Hhmmm, good point.

Should have invaded them when the USSR collapsed.


But that would destroy their great socialist experiment! :(
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:02 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Liriena wrote:Why not? The embargo was pretty pointless at this point. It's been over fifty years and Cuba still ain't yielding.


Hhmmm, good point.

Should have invaded them when the USSR collapsed.

Y'all already tried that.

Face it: communism won this one. ;3
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Anarchitaria
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Postby Anarchitaria » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:02 pm

Good good . . . let's have an irrelevant bureaucracy appeal to the humanity of the situation by lording over nations that they aspire to have a stranglehold over.
Peter Kropotkin wrote, “We accustom ourselves and our children to hypocrisy, to the practice of a double-faced morality. And since the brain is ill at ease among lies, we cheat ourselves with sophistry. Hypocrisy and sophistry become the second nature of the civilized man. But a society cannot live thus; it must return to truth or cease to exist.” The Conquest of Bread (1892)

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Kramania
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Postby Kramania » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:02 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Liriena wrote:Why not? The embargo was pretty pointless at this point. It's been over fifty years and Cuba still ain't yielding.


Hhmmm, good point.

Should have invaded them when the USSR collapsed.

Nah. That would have ended badly. We had one chance to take out Castro's regime and Kennedy fucked it up so now we're stuck with that shitty state for a few more years. At least until the brother Castro finally bites the dust. Then we can hopefully get regime change.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:03 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Hhmmm, good point.

Should have invaded them when the USSR collapsed.

Y'all already tried that.

Face it: communism won this one. ;3


That wasn't an invasion. That was giving some upset dudes rifles and saying charge.

We need an Operation Cuban Freedom.
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Kramania
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Postby Kramania » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:03 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Hhmmm, good point.

Should have invaded them when the USSR collapsed.

Y'all already tried that.

Face it: communism won this one. ;3

And now it can serve as yet another example of how communism sucks.

What's Cuba's human rights rating again?
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Postby Liriena » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:04 pm

Kramania wrote:
Liriena wrote:Why not? The embargo was pretty pointless at this point. It's been over fifty years and Cuba still ain't yielding.

Cuz Cuba sucks so we embargo them. We don't really need to tolerate Marxist dictatorships anymore. Only reason we tolerate China is because they have a giant economy. Cuba has nothing significant to offer us besides cigars.

Implying y'all ever showed any respect for the sovereignity of foreign countries with governments to the left of Reagan. Pleaaaaaaaaase.

Also, I love the empty posturing.
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Postby Kramania » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:04 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Liriena wrote:Y'all already tried that.

Face it: communism won this one. ;3


That wasn't an invasion. That was giving some upset dudes rifles and saying charge.

We need an Operation Cuban Freedom.

I think I just heard Bush orgasm.
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The Founding Fatherland
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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:04 pm

Kramania wrote:
Liriena wrote:Why not? The embargo was pretty pointless at this point. It's been over fifty years and Cuba still ain't yielding.

Cuz Cuba sucks so we embargo them. We don't really need to tolerate Marxist dictatorships anymore. Only reason we tolerate China is because they have a giant economy. Cuba has nothing significant to offer us besides cigars.


China is state capitalist.

San Marlindo wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Hhmmm, good point.

Should have invaded them when the USSR collapsed.


But that would destroy their great socialist experiment! :(


Wow, what a shame that would be. /s

Liriena wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Hhmmm, good point.

Should have invaded them when the USSR collapsed.

Y'all already tried that.

Face it: communism won this one. ;3


*Socialism, not communism, and socialism couldn't win a wet t-shirt contest.

And I meant a proper invasion spearheaded by the US military, which Cuba would be incapable of repulsing.
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Postby Rusozak » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:05 pm

What does the embargo even aim to accomplish anymore, anyways? It lost its relevance when the USSR fell. Not like Cuba's the last bastion in the world for communism and choking them dry is doing anything to help the region or the world.
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Kramania
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Postby Kramania » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:05 pm

Liriena wrote:
Kramania wrote:Cuz Cuba sucks so we embargo them. We don't really need to tolerate Marxist dictatorships anymore. Only reason we tolerate China is because they have a giant economy. Cuba has nothing significant to offer us besides cigars.

Implying y'all ever showed any respect for the sovereignity of foreign countries with governments to the left of Reagan. Pleaaaaaaaaase.

Nope, we didn't. This pleases me.

Also, I love the empty posturing.

Pot, kettttttlllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeee.

You posture so much that I can hear your bones crack.
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Liriena wrote:Y'all already tried that.

Face it: communism won this one. ;3


That wasn't an invasion. That was giving some upset dudes rifles and saying charge.

We need an Operation Cuban Freedom.

You want a Cuban ISIS? Because that's how you get a Cuban ISIS.

Seriously, from the bottom of my heart, keep your incompetent, endlessly toxic hands off Latin America for once in your imperialist history.
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I am:
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Political compass stuff:
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Liriena » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:06 pm

Kramania wrote:
Liriena wrote:Y'all already tried that.

Face it: communism won this one. ;3

And now it can serve as yet another example of how communism sucks.

What's Cuba's human rights rating again?

I don't recall... but I imagine it's roughly the same or slightly better than that of many US-backed far right tyrannies.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
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Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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The Founding Fatherland
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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:06 pm

Kramania wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Hhmmm, good point.

Should have invaded them when the USSR collapsed.

Nah. That would have ended badly. We had one chance to take out Castro's regime and Kennedy fucked it up so now we're stuck with that shitty state for a few more years. At least until the brother Castro finally bites the dust. Then we can hopefully get regime change.


How would that have ended badly?

Liriena wrote:
Kramania wrote:Cuz Cuba sucks so we embargo them. We don't really need to tolerate Marxist dictatorships anymore. Only reason we tolerate China is because they have a giant economy. Cuba has nothing significant to offer us besides cigars.

Implying y'all ever showed any respect for the sovereignity of foreign countries with governments to the left of Reagan. Pleaaaaaaaaase.

Also, I love the empty posturing.


The only empty posturing is from the UN, thinking they can actually force the most powerful country on Earth to follow it's absurd rulings.
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Kramania
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Postby Kramania » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:06 pm

Liriena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That wasn't an invasion. That was giving some upset dudes rifles and saying charge.

We need an Operation Cuban Freedom.

You want a Cuban ISIS? Because that's how you get a Cuban ISIS.

Seriously, from the bottom of my heart, keep your incompetent, endlessly toxic hands off Latin America for once in your imperialist history.

No.

We've got a few more good years of imperialism left in us and I intend to take full advantage of them.
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Rostavykhan
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Postby Rostavykhan » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:07 pm

Trumptonium wrote:
Liriena wrote:Why not? The embargo was pretty pointless at this point. It's been over fifty years and Cuba still ain't yielding.


Why is yielding the goal?


Cause something something Communism bad, something something God Bless America.

Liriena wrote:
Kramania wrote:Cuz Cuba sucks so we embargo them. We don't really need to tolerate Marxist dictatorships anymore. Only reason we tolerate China is because they have a giant economy. Cuba has nothing significant to offer us besides cigars.

Implying y'all ever showed any respect for the sovereignity of foreign countries with governments to the left of Reagan. Pleaaaaaaaaase.

Also, I love the empty posturing.


TBF it's what America is best at, at this point.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:07 pm

Kramania wrote:
Liriena wrote:Implying y'all ever showed any respect for the sovereignity of foreign countries with governments to the left of Reagan. Pleaaaaaaaaase.

Nope, we didn't. This pleases me.

Also, I love the empty posturing.

Pot, kettttttlllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeee.

You posture so much that I can hear your bones crack.

You... really don't know how to banter, do you?
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:07 pm

Liriena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That wasn't an invasion. That was giving some upset dudes rifles and saying charge.

We need an Operation Cuban Freedom.

You want a Cuban ISIS? Because that's how you get a Cuban ISIS.

Seriously, from the bottom of my heart, keep your incompetent, endlessly toxic hands off Latin America for once in your imperialist history.


Keep up that kinda talk and your country is gonna see the rockets red glare too :p
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Kramania
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Postby Kramania » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:08 pm

Liriena wrote:
Kramania wrote:And now it can serve as yet another example of how communism sucks.

What's Cuba's human rights rating again?

I don't recall... but I imagine it's roughly the same or slightly better than that of many US-backed far right tyrannies.

"Waaaaa, waaaaa, you did a mean so I get to do a mean as well!!!"

Literally your entire argument whenever anyone points out how much regimes that you apologize for suck.

Grow up.
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The Founding Fatherland
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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:09 pm

Rusozak wrote:What does the embargo even aim to accomplish anymore, anyways? It lost its relevance when the USSR fell. Not like Cuba's the last bastion in the world for communism and choking them dry is doing anything to help the region or the world.


It's a simple "fuck you" sentiment, what's so hard to understand about it?
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Kramania
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Postby Kramania » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:09 pm

Liriena wrote:
Kramania wrote:Nope, we didn't. This pleases me.


Pot, kettttttlllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeee.

You posture so much that I can hear your bones crack.

You... really don't know how to banter, do you?

That's not banter.

More of a statement of fact.
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:09 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Liriena wrote:You want a Cuban ISIS? Because that's how you get a Cuban ISIS.

Seriously, from the bottom of my heart, keep your incompetent, endlessly toxic hands off Latin America for once in your imperialist history.


Keep up that kinda talk and your country is gonna see the rockets red glare too :p

See, this is why some of us are starting to make heart eyes at Xi Jinping. :P
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Rusozak » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:10 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Rusozak wrote:What does the embargo even aim to accomplish anymore, anyways? It lost its relevance when the USSR fell. Not like Cuba's the last bastion in the world for communism and choking them dry is doing anything to help the region or the world.


It's a simple "fuck you" sentiment, what's so hard to understand about it?


Okay, but why?
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