8 confirmed dead in NYC Terror attack.

[Herskerstad]

A Muslim ban is just a dumb idea, straight up. Yeah, I dislike Islam, but banning Muslims is unconstitutional and frankly stupid.

I applaud the Star Wars quote. Even though that line was part of a speech regarding authoritarianism its very fitting in this case.

But I agree a Muslim ban is stupid and unconstitutional. Plus this man was from Uzbekistan a country I doubt many could point to on a map and he came to the country legally. Terrorism with a vehicle is nearly impossible to prevent and unless you want to close the borders completely there was no way this man could have been stopped. There is a still a lot we don't know including if he was a lone wolf or not.

Oh I am not a fan of governmental interference by or over religious groups. Not a fan of it in the soviet union, communist China, most Arab nations or for that matter the US.

However, there is no getting around that proportionally Islamic terrorism is a huge issue in the west and one that cannot be countered by negligence or pretending there is not one. There exist no waterproof model to deal with it in existing populations on the policy level and this is counting the significant investment that, most times rather pragmatically the US securities deal in the Muslim communities themselves. T

However.

I do not count this among the more dangerous organised attacks as the false guns makes this seem to have most of the motives suicide by cop would involve. Sure he wanted to die in Jihad which is in the radical terminology a sure way into paradise, but, unless there is connections to terror network there is enough to paint this more as a suicide by cop scenario than an organised Islamic terror scenario. Now, there are sad as there is significant elements in the Islamic world that cheer violence against the west in general which in turn translates to a not insignificant group that lionize such acts, and in a way that's even more toxic than the culture of school shootings. However as I said earlier, unless this guy was knee deep with contacts that would radicalise him, I won't grant it the same status as say the Paris attacks which clearly had the more organised elements in it as this seems to have little planning, and a lot of personal woes involved with it.

[Pope Joan]

The cumulative effect of these incidents has not left me terrorized, but it has made me sick at heart.

[Aethrys]

Was really surprised to find out this was a religiously motivated attack after hearing he was brandishing fake guns. Figured it'd be a different sort of mental illness, as I would've believed that a jihadist would feel compelled to maximize the death toll and suffering of the unbelievers. Isn't he failing to serve god's will by not doing his utmost to kill as many people as possible in his name? Even if he had difficulty acquiring real firearms I'd expect that this animal would attempt a knife attack. Perhaps it had more to do with cowardice, and he feared being subdued and having to answer for his crime against humanity. Raises a lot of questions about the nature of the mind of a terrorist, anyway.

[Vassenor]

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Was really surprised to find out this was a religiously motivated attack after hearing he was brandishing fake guns. Figured it'd be a different sort of mental illness, as I would've believed that a jihadist would feel compelled to maximize the death toll and suffering of the unbelievers. Isn't he failing to serve god's will by not doing his utmost to kill as many people as possible in his name? Even if he had difficulty acquiring real firearms I'd expect that this animal would attempt a knife attack. Perhaps it had more to do with cowardice, and he feared being subdued and having to answer for his crime against humanity. Raises a lot of questions about the nature of the mind of a terrorist, anyway.

Or maybe it was a bungled suicide by cop after all.

[Aethrys]

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Was really surprised to find out this was a religiously motivated attack after hearing he was brandishing fake guns. Figured it'd be a different sort of mental illness, as I would've believed that a jihadist would feel compelled to maximize the death toll and suffering of the unbelievers. Isn't he failing to serve god's will by not doing his utmost to kill as many people as possible in his name? Even if he had difficulty acquiring real firearms I'd expect that this animal would attempt a knife attack. Perhaps it had more to do with cowardice, and he feared being subdued and having to answer for his crime against humanity. Raises a lot of questions about the nature of the mind of a terrorist, anyway.

Or maybe it was a bungled suicide by cop after all.

He left a note claiming to have done it to support ISIS in the truck though.

[Vassenor]

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Or maybe it was a bungled suicide by cop after all.

He left a note claiming to have done it to support ISIS in the truck though.

If you were trying to get the police to kill you, wouldn't you want to give them as many reasons as possible?

[Washington Resistance Army]

He left a note claiming to have done it to support ISIS in the truck though.

If you were trying to get the police to kill you, wouldn't you want to give them as many reasons as possible?

Yeah, the truck is reason enough. The note just goes to show he was doing this for his religion, even if you really don't want that to be the case.

[Vassenor]

If you were trying to get the police to kill you, wouldn't you want to give them as many reasons as possible?

Yeah, the truck is reason enough. The note just goes to show he was doing this for his religion, even if you really don't want that to be the case.

Way to put words into my mouth.

[Aethrys]

He left a note claiming to have done it to support ISIS in the truck though.

If you were trying to get the police to kill you, wouldn't you want to give them as many reasons as possible?

Are you implying the police stopped to read the note he left inside the truck before shooting him?

[Vassenor]

If you were trying to get the police to kill you, wouldn't you want to give them as many reasons as possible?

Are you implying the police stopped to read the note he left inside the truck before shooting him?

I'm just saying that the police are more likely to drop you if they think you're a terrorist than if they think you lost control and hit a crowd of people.

And like you said it doesn't fit the MO since even when they've not been able to get guns they've gone with knives instead.

[Aethrys]

Are you implying the police stopped to read the note he left inside the truck before shooting him?

I'm just saying that the police are more likely to drop you if they think you're a terrorist than if they think you lost control and hit a crowd of people.

How's a note they can't possibly have read until after the situation has been resolved further that perception in the moment? Seems more like a typical farewell note intended to articulate his thoughts for after he's dead.

[The Huskar Social Union]

What a fucking cunt, 8 lives lost over this bellend.

[Aellex]

He left a note claiming to have done it to support ISIS in the truck though.

If you were trying to get the police to kill you, wouldn't you want to give them as many reasons as possible?

Wow. You're actually, unironically, trying to argue it's literally everyone but Islamists.
Again.
Now, I would almost want to point out how ironic it makes sound your whining about "special snowflakes blaming everything on Islam" but well, it's not in my habit to shot the ambulance.

[Kramania]

NYC suspect had notes written in Arabic pledging loyalty to ISIS.

It is a pity that he has pledged allegiance to an entity which is nearing final collapse. I'm surprised myself at how rapid their loss of territory is when the battlefield momentum was far slower even last year. ISIS has an enclave on the Euphrates river, but they really are getting squeezed between the borders of both Iraq and Syria by these respective militaries and the Syrian Democratic Forces.

Ash Sha`fah, Syria- might prove to be Islamic State's last stronghold.

The more ISIS loses territory the more they’re gonna lash out and encourage their followers to do the same.

[Kramania]

"We're going to put them in special summer camps where they'll be nice and safe. We'll keep them separate from the rest of the US to keep the natural peace."

Calm down FDR, we don't need a repeat of last time

Hehe.

[Albrenia]

Its really simple, this is a man who is only in America due to multiculturalist policies.

I heard he was a natural citizen of the US? Or was that disproven?

As it is, Islamic terrorism is a major problem, particularly of the lone wolf variety which this one seems it may have been.

[Kramania]

Its really simple, this is a man who is only in America due to multiculturalist policies.

I heard he was a natural citizen of the US? Or was that disproven?

As it is, Islamic terrorism is a major problem, particularly of the lone wolf variety which this one seems it may have been.

He was an Uzbek immigrant. Also worked for Uber.

Damn you, Uber.

[Albrenia]

What an asshole. Way to disprove all the people saying immigrants are evil.

Fuck him. Coming to a country just to murder people in it is sickening.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

What an asshole. Way to disprove all the people saying immigrants are evil.

How? Again, there are over 40 million immigrants in the US. He was 1 man. He was simply a disturbed and despicable man. His immigrant status had nothing to do with it.

[Albrenia]

What an asshole. Way to disprove all the people saying immigrants are evil.

How? Again, there are over 40 million immigrants in the US. He was 1 man. He was simply a disturbed and despicable man. His immigrant status had nothing to do with it.

I mean not only has he murdered a bunch of people, he's stolen a real immigrant's spot and made things harder for all the people really looking for a better life.

[Ethel mermania]

A little more info

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/01/us/new-yo ... index.html

http://abc7chicago.com/new-york-city-ra ... t/2589184/

He is here on a "diversity visa" nice to see we have government programs to import terrorists, I guess the Saudi quota was under that year.

[Vassenor]

"President Vassenor sir, the Japanese have attacked Pearl Harbour"
"Hmmmmmm.........this looks like a suicide by cop to me."

Your poor attempt at an ad hominem is noted.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

How? Again, there are over 40 million immigrants in the US. He was 1 man. He was simply a disturbed and despicable man. His immigrant status had nothing to do with it.

His immigrant status had something to do with it insofar as this 'disturbed and despicable man' would not be in the United States were it not for a certain ideology of immigration and residency. So it has a lot to do with it.

He wasn't radicalized until after he came to the US, according to the BBC, after he became depressed.

"He was not well educated and had no knowledge of the Koran before arriving in the US," he said. "At the beginning of his time here he was a normal sort of person."

But Mr Muminov said that Mr Saipov became depressed, separated from his community and more resentful and angry after failing to find work as a driver.

"Because of his radical views he frequently used to argue with other Uzbeks and moved to Florida," Mr Muminov said. "From then onwards I lost contact with him."

He is simply a mentally damaged and impressionable man. The same factors that lead to a young man joining a gang like the Bloods led to him becoming interested in Daesh.

[Vassenor]

He wasn't radicalized until after he came to the US, according to the BBC, after he became depressed.



He is simply a mentally damaged and impressionable man. The same factors that lead to a young man joining a gang like the Bloods led to him becoming interested in Daesh.

I know. The fact American policy was to import this uneducated, depressive and mentally damaged man for the narrowminded sake of multiculturalism is a sign of a failed immigration policy which should be addressed as part of public discussion.

Ignoring the fact that depression only developed as a result of being unable to find work in the US.

[O bama]

I heard he was a natural citizen of the US? Or was that disproven?

As it is, Islamic terrorism is a major problem, particularly of the lone wolf variety which this one seems it may have been.

He came to America on an Obama-era 'diversity visa program'.

The attack, like one of the London ones, is a direct effect of backwards immigration policy.

You are welcome.