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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:59 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
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No.

You also want the AHCA repealed, which will revert healthcare to when there were lifetime caps, preexisting condition bans, and fraudulent "cheap" insurance that do not cover serious injuries and ailments. Combine that with the elimination of tax credits and deductions that benefit the middle class the most, you are saying they need to choose between bankruptcy and death.

Maybe the government shouldn't have been so apprehensive about importing drugs or eager to throw subsidies at powerful medical lobbyists.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:01 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:You also want the AHCA repealed, which will revert healthcare to when there were lifetime caps, preexisting condition bans, and fraudulent "cheap" insurance that do not cover serious injuries and ailments. Combine that with the elimination of tax credits and deductions that benefit the middle class the most, you are saying they need to choose between bankruptcy and death.

Maybe the government shouldn't have been so apprehensive about importing drugs or eager to throw subsidies at powerful medical lobbyists.

Pharmacy lobbyists are indeed a problem that none of the previous status quo would solve.

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Postby Camicon » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:12 pm

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Camicon wrote:A company is not going to leave a market if they are making less profit, because if they leave the market then they are making no profit.

They will leave when they make negative profits.

There is no such thing as "negative profit". You have, perhaps, confused it with a negative gross profit margin.

I will say it again: a company is not going to leave a market if taxes reduce their profit, because if they leave the market then there is no profit. It goes without saying that reduced profit is better than no profit.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:13 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:You also want the AHCA repealed, which will revert healthcare to when there were lifetime caps, preexisting condition bans, and fraudulent "cheap" insurance that do not cover serious injuries and ailments. Combine that with the elimination of tax credits and deductions that benefit the middle class the most, you are saying they need to choose between bankruptcy and death.

Maybe the government shouldn't have been so apprehensive about importing drugs or eager to throw subsidies at powerful medical lobbyists.


Which is why America needs proper universal healthcare.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:30 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:Maybe the government shouldn't have been so apprehensive about importing drugs or eager to throw subsidies at powerful medical lobbyists.


Which is why America needs proper universal healthcare.

You're talking to a libertarian, universal healthcare is like Satan to him.

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Of all people to pick to attack; he's barely what could be considered as on the Right or a consistent Trump supporter.
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Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Elected officials should always feel safe to speak their mind. Violence against politicians is among the most vile out there.

Let's see if Trump has anything to say about this 'Bowling Green massacre'.
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The prophesy of the Bowling Green Massacre was thwarted by the power of liberty.
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:13 pm


The Trump administration is now seeking to reign in immigration programs that have not been strictly enforced in the past.


That's all it's about. Nothing special and nothing new, laws that were already on the books that were not enforced. :roll:
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Postby Corrian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:20 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:

The Trump administration is now seeking to reign in immigration programs that have not been strictly enforced in the past.


That's all it's about. Nothing special and nothing new, laws that were already on the books that were not enforced. :roll:

I don't know if you have a reason for stating that like you're referring to someone, but I never claimed it was anything special or new, nor did I even actually know if I was necessarily against it. I'm actually not sure in this case, though I would prefer to just make them citizens since they have children here now at this point anyway, and probably know of America as a home more than anywhere else now.
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:22 pm

Corrian wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:

That's all it's about. Nothing special and nothing new, laws that were already on the books that were not enforced. :roll:

I don't know if you have a reason for stating that like you're referring to someone, but I never claimed it was anything special or new, nor did I even actually know if I was necessarily against it. I'm actually not sure in this case, though I would prefer to just make them citizens since they have children here now at this point anyway, and probably know of America as a home more than anywhere else now.

Yeah, I'm "referring" to the thread at large. When you post a link people can reply to it..
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Postby Corrian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:26 pm

This "assault" seems rather tamed. The guy is charged with 4th degree assault, and nothing about breaking and entering. The guy was also apparently a guest. Probably a stupid argument.

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
Corrian wrote:I don't know if you have a reason for stating that like you're referring to someone, but I never claimed it was anything special or new, nor did I even actually know if I was necessarily against it. I'm actually not sure in this case, though I would prefer to just make them citizens since they have children here now at this point anyway, and probably know of America as a home more than anywhere else now.

Yeah, I'm "referring" to the thread at large. When you post a link people can reply to it..

I figured you were, but it seemed weird just because nobody had replied yet but you and it seemed like you implied that was what people thought. Though you may be right to be honest.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:27 pm

Corrian wrote:This "assault" seems rather tamed. The guy is charged with 4th degree assault, and nothing about breaking and entering. The guy was also apparently a guest. Probably a stupid argument.

United States of Red Dawn wrote:Yeah, I'm "referring" to the thread at large. When you post a link people can reply to it..

I figured you were, but it seemed weird just because nobody had replied yet but you and it seemed like you implied that was what people thought. Though you may be right to be honest.


So he was meeting with someone who flipped out and punched him?
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Postby Corrian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:28 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Corrian wrote:This "assault" seems rather tamed. The guy is charged with 4th degree assault, and nothing about breaking and entering. The guy was also apparently a guest. Probably a stupid argument.


I figured you were, but it seemed weird just because nobody had replied yet but you and it seemed like you implied that was what people thought. Though you may be right to be honest.


So he was meeting with someone who flipped out and punched him?

Pretty sure punching someone gets you more than 4th degree assault charges.
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Postby Collatis » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:29 pm

Corrian wrote:This "assault" seems rather tamed. The guy is charged with 4th degree assault, and nothing about breaking and entering. The guy was also apparently a guest. Probably a stupid argument.

90% chance the fight started when Rand screamed "that violates the NAP!"

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:29 pm

Corrian wrote:
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So he was meeting with someone who flipped out and punched him?

Pretty sure punching someone gets you more than 4th degree assault charges.


"Assault causing minor injury".
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:30 pm

Corrian wrote:This "assault" seems rather tamed. The guy is charged with 4th degree assault, and nothing about breaking and entering. The guy was also apparently a guest. Probably a stupid argument.

United States of Red Dawn wrote:Yeah, I'm "referring" to the thread at large. When you post a link people can reply to it..

I figured you were, but it seemed weird just because nobody had replied yet but you and it seemed like you implied that was what people thought. Though you may be right to be honest.

Lol, I'm on NSG, I think I'm safe implying what I did when it's on a thread about Trump.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:31 pm

Collatis wrote:
Corrian wrote:This "assault" seems rather tamed. The guy is charged with 4th degree assault, and nothing about breaking and entering. The guy was also apparently a guest. Probably a stupid argument.

90% chance the fight started when Rand screamed "that violates the NAP!"

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Postby Corrian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:40 pm

Apparently he got assaulted while mowing...
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