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Vassenor
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:36 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:You can't stop the fundamental basics of economics with laws. If you force businesses to remain in the country or to only hire American, you are raising prices for consumers.


Corporations want poverty wages. How does that help consumers?


But lower taxes means that they'll be able to buy mo-oh.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:36 am

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They won't leave wholesale, no. But you can't create disincentives for investment and employment.


Trickle down? Seriously. It hasn't worked before. Why would it work now?


It's okay because that wasn't real trickle down so we try again and the system collapses but that's okay because it wasn't real trickle down so we try again...
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Postby Galloism » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:39 am

Trump Accuses Clinton of Deliberately Losing Election So He Could Be Impeached

In what might be his most startling allegation against his former election opponent, Donald Trump on Wednesday accused Hillary Clinton of deliberately losing the 2016 election just so that he could be impeached.

“How could one of the most experienced politicians in history lose to the most unfit candidate ever?” Trump asked reporters. “Crooked Hillary lost on purpose because she wanted me to be impeached.”

Explaining Clinton’s motives for intentionally sabotaging her quest for an office she had coveted for decades, Trump said, “Hillary Clinton is more than a nasty woman. She is an evil woman, and her sick mind is capable of anything.”

Trump said that instead of reporting the “fake story” of his campaign’s collusion with the Russians, the media should focus on Clinton’s “diabolical scheme to lose the election.”

“I don’t know if Hillary Clinton lost the election on her own,” Trump said. “Maybe she asked the Russians to help her lose. But the fact is, Hillary Clinton deliberately plotted to put me in the White House, and the American people should be very angry about that.”
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Postby Collatis » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:41 am


okay I seriously thought this was real at first

what has this world come to?

Fox to Offer Twenty-Four-Hour Coverage of Bill Clinton’s Impeachment

No way this isn't real.
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Postby Collatis » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:49 am

White House attacks legacies of both Bush presidents after reports they refused to vote for Trump
“I don't like him,” George H.W. Bush told Updegrove in May 2016, according to CNN. “I don't know much about him, but I know he's a blowhard. And I'm not too excited about him being a leader.”

A month earlier, Trump had famously cited himself as his own best foreign policy adviser. “Because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things,” said the candidate, who had no diplomatic or military experience.

Upon learning this, Updegrove told CNN, George W. Bush told him: “Wow, this guy doesn't know what it means to be president.”

As he watched Trump's campaign, the younger Bush feared he would “be the last Republican president,” the author told CNN.

But not only did the Bush presidents lament the prospect of a Trump presidency, Updegrove told CNN — they even shunned their party's nominee on Election Day.

The younger Bush reportedly ticked “None of the above” when it came time to choose a president.

The elder Bush told the author he voted for Trump's rival Hillary Clinton, a Democrat.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:10 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The United States might become competitive globally again with a lower corporate tax rate, and the benefits for that should be obvious.

Not really.

I didn't know you were a Jeffersonian farmer, living without power and feeding yourself through subsistence agriculture.

Because if you aren't you are lying.

The first mistake you've made was in equalizing the state with society.
Valrifell wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:


Trickle down? Seriously. It hasn't worked before. Why would it work now?


It's okay because that wasn't real trickle down so we try again and the system collapses but that's okay because it wasn't real trickle down so we try again...

Third time's the charm.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:12 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:I didn't know you were a Jeffersonian farmer, living without power and feeding yourself through subsistence agriculture.

Because if you aren't you are lying.

The first mistake you've made was in equalizing the state with society.
Valrifell wrote:
It's okay because that wasn't real trickle down so we try again and the system collapses but that's okay because it wasn't real trickle down so we try again...

Third time's the charm.

Taxation impacts all of society. So, no. I am not equalising the two.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:20 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The first mistake you've made was in equalizing the state with society.

Third time's the charm.

Taxation impacts all of society. So, no. I am not equalising the two.

They impact society, yes. However, I do not perceive increased taxes to be beneficial to society. I believe that the contrary is true.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:20 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Taxation impacts all of society. So, no. I am not equalising the two.

They impact society, yes. However, I do not perceive increased taxes to be beneficial to society. I believe that the contrary is true.


For what reason?
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Postby Corrian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:55 am

House Republicans Aim To Eliminate Tax Credits For Orphan Drugs

Corporate tax credits play a key role in the lucrative industry to develop drugs for rare diseases. But as sales of such drugs rise, so does the cost of the tax credits to the government.

I dunno..I have a shocking solution. How about we end the practice of price gouging? There, now the government doesn't have to pay more.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:56 am

Vassenor wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:They impact society, yes. However, I do not perceive increased taxes to be beneficial to society. I believe that the contrary is true.


For what reason?


Because rich people will have more money and will take care of the lessor people.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:00 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Taxation impacts all of society. So, no. I am not equalising the two.

They impact society, yes. However, I do not perceive increased taxes to be beneficial to society. I believe that the contrary is true.

Taxes are one of those necessary evils. In an ideal society, they wouldn't be required. People would voluntarily make sure that the public good is taken care of.

That's not our world.

It's kind of like the military. In an ideal world, no military would be needed, because no one would have one so no one would need one. That's not our world.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:13 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Taxation impacts all of society. So, no. I am not equalising the two.

They impact society, yes. However, I do not perceive increased taxes to be beneficial to society. I believe that the contrary is true.

Increased taxes can be beneficial to society, however. They can also not be. It's all about their makeup and the division of the tax burden among the population, and the way those taxes are used. Interstate highways are a great example of something that made the nation better for everyone.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:22 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:They impact society, yes. However, I do not perceive increased taxes to be beneficial to society. I believe that the contrary is true.

Increased taxes can be beneficial to society, however. They can also not be. It's all about their makeup and the division of the tax burden among the population, and the way those taxes are used. Interstate highways are a great example of something that made the nation better for everyone.

But privatized highways.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:30 am

Corrian wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Increased taxes can be beneficial to society, however. They can also not be. It's all about their makeup and the division of the tax burden among the population, and the way those taxes are used. Interstate highways are a great example of something that made the nation better for everyone.

But privatized highways.

Exactly. With a free market if people don't like that freeway; they can use another.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:31 am

Vassenor wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:They impact society, yes. However, I do not perceive increased taxes to be beneficial to society. I believe that the contrary is true.


For what reason?

It establishes an artificial favoritism to large corporations and punishes small businesses. Additionally, it dissuades individuals from seeking high-paying jobs or from innovating.
Corrian wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Increased taxes can be beneficial to society, however. They can also not be. It's all about their makeup and the division of the tax burden among the population, and the way those taxes are used. Interstate highways are a great example of something that made the nation better for everyone.

But privatized highways.

Those are nice too.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:31 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Corrian wrote:But privatized highways.

Exactly. With a free market if people don't like that freeway; they can use another.

What terrible waste of resources.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:31 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Corrian wrote:But privatized highways.

Exactly. With a free market if people don't like that freeway; they can use another.

But there's only one in the area. The other one is way out of my way
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:32 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Exactly. With a free market if people don't like that freeway; they can use another.

What terrible waste of resources.

The freeways will trickle down?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:32 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Exactly. With a free market if people don't like that freeway; they can use another.

But there's only one in the area. The other one is way out of my way


But that's a monopoly. The free market doesn't allow for that!
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Postby Post War America » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:34 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
For what reason?
Additionally, it dissuades individuals from seeking high-paying jobs or from innovating. Those are nice too.


This is weapons grade horse shit. Nobody says "Hmm I don't want to pay 15% higher taxes for taking this job that pays four times as much. I'd rather just be poor than pay taxes".
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:35 am

Post War America wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote: Additionally, it dissuades individuals from seeking high-paying jobs or from innovating. Those are nice too.


This is weapons grade horse shit. Nobody says "Hmm I don't want to pay 15% higher taxes for taking this job that pays four times as much. I'd rather just be poor than pay taxes".

You know a French Aristocrat in 1789 would do this. Owait they paid no taxes whatsofuckingever.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:36 am

Post War America wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote: Additionally, it dissuades individuals from seeking high-paying jobs or from innovating. Those are nice too.


This is weapons grade horse shit. Nobody says "Hmm I don't want to pay 15% higher taxes for taking this job that pays four times as much. I'd rather just be poor than pay taxes".

Pretty much. I really don't even think about the income tax when I take a high paying job. All I think about is if I can pay my fucking bills
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:39 am

Post War America wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote: Additionally, it dissuades individuals from seeking high-paying jobs or from innovating. Those are nice too.


This is weapons grade horse shit. Nobody says "Hmm I don't want to pay 15% higher taxes for taking this job that pays four times as much. I'd rather just be poor than pay taxes".

"Hmmm, I could make a lot of money, or I could be poor. But if I make a lot of money, the government gets a lot, too! I'm going to be poor out of spite!"
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