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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:01 am

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Petrasylvania wrote:The Republicans want to get off on many fetishes at the same time. Punish women for being sluts (in their minds) and Protect the Unborn, punish them for not wanting to rear the child they can't afford to raise and declare the Now Born a parasitic welfare leech on society, then when the child is affected by poor rearing or lack of lock him or her up to feed their private prison donors.

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Petrasylvania wrote:You obviously think any tax cuts for anyone not a millionaire will be meaningful at all.

Tax cuts would be helpful for me, so I am naturally partial to seeing them passed. I might not be a millionaire but my self-interests require a victory here.

Will it still be a victory when state and local income tax credits as well as deductions including mortgage interest, medical and student loans are eliminated?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:03 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:The Republicans want to get off on many fetishes at the same time. Punish women for being sluts (in their minds) and Protect the Unborn, punish them for not wanting to rear the child they can't afford to raise and declare the Now Born a parasitic welfare leech on society, then when the child is affected by poor rearing or lack of lock him or her up to feed their private prison donors.

"Amendments don't exist, guys!"
Petrasylvania wrote:You obviously think any tax cuts for anyone not a millionaire will be meaningful at all.

Tax cuts would be helpful for me, so I am naturally partial to seeing them passed. I might not be a millionaire but my self-interests require a victory here.


So how does this specific set of tax cuts benefit you personally?
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:05 am

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Petrasylvania wrote:The Republicans want to get off on many fetishes at the same time. Punish women for being sluts (in their minds) and Protect the Unborn, punish them for not wanting to rear the child they can't afford to raise and declare the Now Born a parasitic welfare leech on society, then when the child is affected by poor rearing or lack of lock him or her up to feed their private prison donors.

"Amendments don't exist, guys!"
Petrasylvania wrote:You obviously think any tax cuts for anyone not a millionaire will be meaningful at all.

Tax cuts would be helpful for me, so I am naturally partial to seeing them passed. I might not be a millionaire but my self-interests require a victory here.

The benefit of society is in your benefit, and probably more than any direct benefit can be.
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Postby Ism » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:12 am

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Fake reports, probably compiled by Obama appointees and Clinton plants.


Damn that Deep State!

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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:15 am

Ism wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Fake reports, probably compiled by Obama appointees and Clinton plants.


Damn that Deep State!


"The White House has sought to downplay a major climate change report, which was compiled by 13 US federal agencies.

The study is at odds with assertions from President Donald Trump and several members of his administration.

It says it is "extremely likely" human activity is the "dominant cause" of global warming.

A spokesman for the White House said it supported "rigorous scientific analysis and debate" but added that the climate was "always changing". "

Yes. The CLIMATE is ALWAYS CHANGING. Apparently they haven't mastered the difference between weather and climate. Dear God. -_- (I'm not surprised by this at all, nope, not one bit, if the Trump White House came out tomorrow and said the Earth is flat, I'd just nod and say, yup, ok, not surprised.)
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:16 am

Corrian wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Do you believe that the tax cuts are only for the rich?

They certainly mostly help them from the looks of it.

And that matters why?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:19 am

Ism wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Fake reports, probably compiled by Obama appointees and Clinton plants.


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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:23 am

Vassenor wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:"Amendments don't exist, guys!"

Tax cuts would be helpful for me, so I am naturally partial to seeing them passed. I might not be a millionaire but my self-interests require a victory here.


So how does this specific set of tax cuts benefit you personally?

The United States might become competitive globally again with a lower corporate tax rate, and the benefits for that should be obvious.
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Northern Davincia wrote:"Amendments don't exist, guys!"

Tax cuts would be helpful for me, so I am naturally partial to seeing them passed. I might not be a millionaire but my self-interests require a victory here.

The benefit of society is in your benefit, and probably more than any direct benefit can be.

Not really.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:23 am

Or we just crash our economy again, which seems the most likely.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:26 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Corrian wrote:They certainly mostly help them from the looks of it.

And that matters why?

Because I am not a huge fan of further getting screwed over by the rich, who can pay taxes just fine? Because I know exactly how making the rich pay nothing screwed us over last time? Because I am also not a fan of random programs being screwed over in the process, like Adoption Credits?

Yeah, I am not a fan of the rest of us getting screwed over so the rich can pay no taxes. They can pay them just fine. If anything, we should be forcing more to pay taxes ,not less. Remove the ability to dodge in tax havens and such.
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Postby Post War America » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:28 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how does this specific set of tax cuts benefit you personally?

The United States might become competitive globally again with a lower corporate tax rate, and the benefits for that should be obvious.


You do realize that corporations functionally pay basically no taxes right?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:30 am

Corrian wrote:Or we just crash our economy again, which seems the most likely.

Crashes never have singular causes.
Corrian wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:And that matters why?

Because I am not a huge fan of further getting screwed over by the rich, who can pay taxes just fine? Because I know exactly how making the rich pay nothing screwed us over last time? Because I am also not a fan of random programs being screwed over in the process, like Adoption Credits?

Yeah, I am not a fan of the rest of us getting screwed over so the rich can pay no taxes. They can pay them just fine. If anything, we should be forcing more to pay taxes ,not less. Remove the ability to dodge in tax havens and such.

There's a certain 45% of Americans that should be drawing your ire if you want to criticize tax-dodgers.
But let's assume that your desire for tax-hikes prevails. Suddenly, the rich have a greater opportunity to trample on their competition and export jobs.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:32 am

Northern Davincia wrote:But let's assume that your desire for tax-hikes prevails. Suddenly, the rich have a greater opportunity to trample on their competition and export jobs.

Then stop them from doing that too, then. There are many laws that would be great if they actually accounted for shit like this.
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Postby Camicon » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:35 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Corrian wrote:Or we just crash our economy again, which seems the most likely.

Crashes never have singular causes.
Corrian wrote:Because I am not a huge fan of further getting screwed over by the rich, who can pay taxes just fine? Because I know exactly how making the rich pay nothing screwed us over last time? Because I am also not a fan of random programs being screwed over in the process, like Adoption Credits?

Yeah, I am not a fan of the rest of us getting screwed over so the rich can pay no taxes. They can pay them just fine. If anything, we should be forcing more to pay taxes ,not less. Remove the ability to dodge in tax havens and such.

There's a certain 45% of Americans that should be drawing your ire if you want to criticize tax-dodgers.
But let's assume that your desire for tax-hikes prevails. Suddenly, the rich have a greater opportunity to trample on their competition and export jobs.

I don't understand this idea that, should taxes be raised, companies will flee the US. The USA is still the richest country in the world, and has a population of over 320 million. That's a massive, wealthy market that nobody is going to leave just because they're making slightly less profit than they were previously.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:37 am

Also, according to the Alt NPS, environmental groups are suing the Trump administration for failing to respond to a key deadline for their FOIA request related to the public's right to know why we're shrinking monuments. Which the monument shrinking themselves will likely be caught up in a lot of legal hell as well, because nowhere does the law say "A President's right to shrink monuments". Obviously no suspicious reason why they're not telling the public or anything.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:39 am

Corrian wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:But let's assume that your desire for tax-hikes prevails. Suddenly, the rich have a greater opportunity to trample on their competition and export jobs.

Then stop them from doing that too, then. There are many laws that would be great if they actually accounted for shit like this.

You can't stop the fundamental basics of economics with laws. If you force businesses to remain in the country or to only hire American, you are raising prices for consumers.
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Northern Davincia wrote:Crashes never have singular causes.

There's a certain 45% of Americans that should be drawing your ire if you want to criticize tax-dodgers.
But let's assume that your desire for tax-hikes prevails. Suddenly, the rich have a greater opportunity to trample on their competition and export jobs.

I don't understand this idea that, should taxes be raised, companies will flee the US. The USA is still the richest country in the world, and has a population of over 320 million. That's a massive, wealthy market that nobody is going to leave just because they're making slightly less profit than they were previously.

They won't leave wholesale, no. But you can't create disincentives for investment and employment.
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Postby Camicon » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:45 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Camicon wrote:I don't understand this idea that, should taxes be raised, companies will flee the US. The USA is still the richest country in the world, and has a population of over 320 million. That's a massive, wealthy market that nobody is going to leave just because they're making slightly less profit than they were previously.

They won't leave wholesale, no. But you can't create disincentives for investment and employment.

And making slightly less profit is enough to make companies say "fuck it" and leave the US? No. Not even close.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:49 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Corrian wrote:They certainly mostly help them from the looks of it.

And that matters why?


I think it's a polite way of pointing out selfishness.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:50 am

Camicon wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:They won't leave wholesale, no. But you can't create disincentives for investment and employment.

And making slightly less profit is enough to make companies say "fuck it" and leave the US? No. Not even close.

How much do you believe is an acceptable corporate tax rate?
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Northern Davincia wrote:And that matters why?


I think it's a polite way of pointing out selfishness.

It's a bit redundant to point out virtues.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:53 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how does this specific set of tax cuts benefit you personally?

The United States might become competitive globally again with a lower corporate tax rate, and the benefits for that should be obvious.


And this assertion is based upon what evidence?
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Postby Corrian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:57 am

I don't know entirely what would be the best tax price. At least make it the same as the rest of us, not less.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:25 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how does this specific set of tax cuts benefit you personally?

The United States might become competitive globally again with a lower corporate tax rate, and the benefits for that should be obvious.
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:The benefit of society is in your benefit, and probably more than any direct benefit can be.

Not really.

I didn't know you were a Jeffersonian farmer, living without power and feeding yourself through subsistence agriculture.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:33 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Corrian wrote:Then stop them from doing that too, then. There are many laws that would be great if they actually accounted for shit like this.

You can't stop the fundamental basics of economics with laws. If you force businesses to remain in the country or to only hire American, you are raising prices for consumers.


Corporations want poverty wages. How does that help consumers?

Camicon wrote:I don't understand this idea that, should taxes be raised, companies will flee the US. The USA is still the richest country in the world, and has a population of over 320 million. That's a massive, wealthy market that nobody is going to leave just because they're making slightly less profit than they were previously.

They won't leave wholesale, no. But you can't create disincentives for investment and employment.


Trickle down? Seriously. It hasn't worked before. Why would it work now?
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