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Free Missouri wrote:Yeah... your precious single payer idea will only stymie the innovation that makes our healthcare better than most of the world, and more likely than not lead to widespread rationing.

Yeah...Better than maybe a large chunk of countries, but one of the worst in the developed world.

Petrasylvania wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:No he didn't. Stop talking out of your ass Gauth. Trump didn't say anything of the sort. Recognition of a capital =/= greenlighting ethnic cleansing.

This obsession with requiring Scooby Doo confessions. By recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital Trump has in effect declared Might is Right, which means Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories will spread like cancer and may well blow into a formal cleansing campaign.

Israel didn't need Trumps approval to do that. And besides we where not the first nation to recognize Jerusalem as the capital, the Czech Republic beat us to that.

You give Trump way more credit than he deserves Gauth

So Trump is trying to blame Democrats for the possible government shutdown...apparently forgetting that he sided with "Chuck & Nancy" on funding the gov't for three months instead of 18.

Corrian wrote:

Free Missouri wrote:Yeah... your precious single payer idea will only stymie the innovation that makes our healthcare better than most of the world, and more likely than not lead to widespread rationing.

Yeah...Better than maybe a large chunk of countries, but one of the worst in the developed world.

I'm actually shocked he said that since it's been well documented that among other nations considered "first world" the US is one of, if not the, most inefficient and unnecessarily expensive.

Petrasylvania wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:No he didn't. Stop talking out of your ass Gauth. Trump didn't say anything of the sort. Recognition of a capital =/= greenlighting ethnic cleansing.

This obsession with requiring Scooby Doo confessions. By recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital Trump has in effect declared Might is Right, which means Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories will spread like cancer and may well blow into a formal cleansing campaign.

Have you ever, even for a moment, grown tired of being rediculous?

Valrifell wrote:

Corrian wrote:Yeah...Better than maybe a large chunk of countries, but one of the worst in the developed world.

I'm actually shocked he said that since it's been well documented that among other nations considered "first world" the US is one of, if not the, most inefficient and unnecessarily expensive.

FAKE NEWS

Thermodolia wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:This obsession with requiring Scooby Doo confessions. By recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital Trump has in effect declared Might is Right, which means Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories will spread like cancer and may well blow into a formal cleansing campaign.

Israel didn't need Trumps approval to do that. And besides we where not the first nation to recognize Jerusalem as the capital, the Czech Republic beat us to that.

You give Trump way more credit than he deserves Gauth

The differwmce between having official US support amd not having it, as well as the difference between having the Czech Republics backing and US backing, shoild not be understated. At best, this is misleading.

Free Missouri wrote:

Seangoli wrote:
Man, people have such short memories. Few people seem to remember tjat prior to the ACA, health care in the country was utterly miserable, insuramce premiums were still rocketing up, amd even well off people often found themselves going bankrupt or wprse as their premiums went through the roof.


Its almost as if a business model predicated on the concept of paying for insanely expensive necessary procedures is just not feasible.

I despise the ACA, but largely because it does not fix the underlying issue thay the free market insurance system is a miserably inneffective way of providing something like health care.

Yeah... your precious single payer idea will only stymie the innovation that makes our healthcare better than most of the world, and more likely than not lead to widespread rationing.

>rationing

That's a myth and no, pre ACA American health care was ass.

The New California Republic wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Maybe the Arab shouldn't have started the six-day war. That's when Israel began its 100% legal occupation of the West Bank.

What about the building of settlements?

Sorry, I just had to do it.

(I actually like Preston and building stuff in F4 tbh)

Telconi wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:This obsession with requiring Scooby Doo confessions. By recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital Trump has in effect declared Might is Right, which means Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories will spread like cancer and may well blow into a formal cleansing campaign.

Have you ever, even for a moment, grown tired of being rediculous?

Cut him some slack. Who knows what might happen next. Everything seems to be in play everywhere right now. The genie is out of the bottle if you prefer Middle East speak. Wishing is perilous though.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Free Missouri wrote:
Yeah... your precious single payer idea will only stymie the innovation that makes our healthcare better than most of the world, and more likely than not lead to widespread rationing.

>rationing

That's a myth and no, pre ACA American health care was ass.

Hell, post ACA American healthcare is ass in many, if not most, areas.

Valrifell wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

>rationing

That's a myth and no, pre ACA American health care was ass.

Hell, post ACA American healthcare is ass in many, if not most, areas.

But its less ass then before.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
Hell, post ACA American healthcare is ass in many, if not most, areas.

But its less ass then before.

Depends on who you are.

Free Missouri wrote:

Seangoli wrote:
Man, people have such short memories. Few people seem to remember tjat prior to the ACA, health care in the country was utterly miserable, insuramce premiums were still rocketing up, amd even well off people often found themselves going bankrupt or wprse as their premiums went through the roof.


Its almost as if a business model predicated on the concept of paying for insanely expensive necessary procedures is just not feasible.

I despise the ACA, but largely because it does not fix the underlying issue thay the free market insurance system is a miserably inneffective way of providing something like health care.

Yeah... your precious single payer idea will only stymie the innovation that makes our healthcare better than most of the world, and more likely than not lead to widespread rationing.

[citation needed]

I didn't know a system that's the only one in the world that causes bankruptcies of private individuals is the best in the world.

Vassenor wrote:

Free Missouri wrote:
Yeah... your precious single payer idea will only stymie the innovation that makes our healthcare better than most of the world, and more likely than not lead to widespread rationing.

[citation needed]

I didn't know a system that's the only one in the world that causes bankruptcies of private individuals is the best in the world.

Well, given that in most of the world people with chronic conditions just ducking die... I don't think "But they didn't file for bankruptcy" is really any consolation.

Free Missouri wrote:

Seangoli wrote:
Man, people have such short memories. Few people seem to remember tjat prior to the ACA, health care in the country was utterly miserable, insuramce premiums were still rocketing up, amd even well off people often found themselves going bankrupt or wprse as their premiums went through the roof.


Its almost as if a business model predicated on the concept of paying for insanely expensive necessary procedures is just not feasible.

I despise the ACA, but largely because it does not fix the underlying issue thay the free market insurance system is a miserably inneffective way of providing something like health care.

Yeah... your precious single payer idea will only stymie the innovation that makes our healthcare better than most of the world, and more likely than not lead to widespread rationing.

The US actually has some of the worst healthcare amoung the developed countries, it's also the only developed nation that doesn't really have any form of socialized medicine.

Coincidence? I think not.

Telconi wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
[citation needed]

I didn't know a system that's the only one in the world that causes bankruptcies of private individuals is the best in the world.

Well, given that in most of the world people with chronic conditions just ducking die...

Technically we all die eventually

Vassenor wrote:

Free Missouri wrote:
Yeah... your precious single payer idea will only stymie the innovation that makes our healthcare better than most of the world, and more likely than not lead to widespread rationing.

[citation needed]

I didn't know a system that's the only one in the world that causes bankruptcies of private individuals is the best in the world.

People like to assume it was just those who chose not to get insurance who were going bankrupt, yet the thing is that even fairly well off individuals were going bankrupt even when they had decent insurance if a particularly expensive problem came about.


The system before the ACA just did not work for the vast majority of people, not just poor folks. Even middle and upper middle class individuals would often find themselved SOL if something like major cancer treatment was necessary.

Valrifell wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Well, given that in most of the world people with chronic conditions just ducking die...

Technically we all die eventually

Well, yeah, but you get the point.

Free Missouri wrote:

Seangoli wrote:
Man, people have such short memories. Few people seem to remember tjat prior to the ACA, health care in the country was utterly miserable, insuramce premiums were still rocketing up, amd even well off people often found themselves going bankrupt or wprse as their premiums went through the roof.


Its almost as if a business model predicated on the concept of paying for insanely expensive necessary procedures is just not feasible.

I despise the ACA, but largely because it does not fix the underlying issue thay the free market insurance system is a miserably inneffective way of providing something like health care.

Yeah... your precious single payer idea will only stymie the innovation that makes our healthcare better than most of the world, and more likely than not lead to widespread rationing.

“Better than most of the world”

The Third World maybe. Compared to the developed world we pay double for far worse outcomes.

Seangoli wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
[citation needed]

I didn't know a system that's the only one in the world that causes bankruptcies of private individuals is the best in the world.

People like to assume it was just those who chose not to get insurance who were going bankrupt, yet the thing is that even fairly well off individuals were going bankrupt even when they had decent insurance if a particularly expensive problem came about.


The system before the ACA just did not work for the vast majority of people, not just poor folks. Even middle and upper middle class individuals would often find themselved SOL if something like major cancer treatment was necessary.

The ACA did little to help the underinsured. In many cases it made their situation worse, due to rising premiums they were forced to lower their insurance plans to cover less. What the ACA was good at was giving nominal coverage to more people. But as I've said before, if your goal was an insurance card in every wallet, you did Allright with the ACA, if your goal was actual real protection against medical cost reprocussions, not so much.

Telconi wrote:

Seangoli wrote:
People like to assume it was just those who chose not to get insurance who were going bankrupt, yet the thing is that even fairly well off individuals were going bankrupt even when they had decent insurance if a particularly expensive problem came about.


The system before the ACA just did not work for the vast majority of people, not just poor folks. Even middle and upper middle class individuals would often find themselved SOL if something like major cancer treatment was necessary.

The ACA did little to help the underinsured. In many cases it made their situation worse, due to rising premiums they were forced to lower their insurance plans to cover less.

Source. You are aware that premiums where rising long before the ACA yes? In fact...that was one of the reasons the ACA came into existence. Also, there is a base level of care required for each plan so source on the second part as well.

Hittanryan wrote:

Free Missouri wrote:
Yeah... your precious single payer idea will only stymie the innovation that makes our healthcare better than most of the world, and more likely than not lead to widespread rationing.

“Better than most of the world”

The Third World maybe. Compared to the developed world we pay double for far worse outcomes.

And I would like to add that thisnhas been the case even before the ACA; hell it was one of the reasons why there was such loud outcry for healthcare reform in the years leading up to 2008-2009.


People who think that the high prices and poor quality is the result of the ACA have a fundamentally poor understanding of the history of healthcare in the US.

Hittanryan wrote:

Free Missouri wrote:
Yeah... your precious single payer idea will only stymie the innovation that makes our healthcare better than most of the world, and more likely than not lead to widespread rationing.

“Better than most of the world”

The Third World maybe. Compared to the developed world we pay double for far worse outcomes.

Look at the food we eat. LOL, look at what Trump eats. Outcomes are also based on too much sugar, fat and salt dumb people eat in excess. (Thanks marketing!) That sets the table.

Next the hospitals all have Staph Aureus floating around everyplace and Big Pharma won't develop better antibiotics bc of the big profit incentive isn't there with drugs used for short periods. Top it off with greedy insurance companies telling doctors what they can and can not do and you have the USA medical system, fail. Fail. FAIL!

Seangoli wrote:

Hittanryan wrote:“Better than most of the world”

The Third World maybe. Compared to the developed world we pay double for far worse outcomes.

And I would like to add that thisnhas been the case even before the ACA; hell it was one of the reasons why there was such loud outcry for healthcare reform in the years leading up to 2008-2009.


People who think that the high prices and poor quality is the result of the ACA have a fundamentally poor understanding of the history of healthcare in the US.

Or they just assume it's the ACA's fault because Fox News said so and Fox News would never lie about something like that in order to force a narrative.