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Postby Oil exporting People » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:29 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Source?


Here
ncome tax cuts stimulate demand by putting more money into consumers' pockets. That's important because consumer spending drives 70 percent of economic growth. It then creates jobs when businesses ramp up production to meet higher demand. A study by the Congressional Budget Office found that the Bush tax cuts would create 4.6 jobs for every $1 million if extended into 2011-2012.


However, there is some debate over whether tax cuts for higher income families create as many jobs as tax cuts for low- and moderate-income families. The theory is that lower income families must spend the tax cuts, driving demand, while higher income families will save their tax cut. Furthermore, higher income family spending is less influenced by tax cuts because they families can maintain their spending by cutting into their savings, or getting loans or credit. Their tax cuts are more likely to be used to pay back loans.

Payroll tax cuts are one of the most cost-effective ways to increase jobs. According to the CBO, every $1 million in payroll tax cuts creates 13 new jobs. Payroll tax cuts create jobs in four ways. First, some companies use the savings to reduce prices. That increases demand, which necessitates hiring more workers.

Second, other companies raise wages to retain good workers, who would then spend more, increasing demand.

Third, some firms keep the tax savings, allowing them to buy more and increase demand. Fourth, companies that already had popular products would use the savings to hire more workers. This fourth method is the most cost-effective way to create jobs.

In fact, if Congress only gives payroll tax cuts for new hires, then every $1 million in payroll tax cuts creates 18 new jobs.(Source: "The Economic Outlook and Fiscal Policy Choices," Congressional Budget Office, September 28, 2010)
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Postby Corrian » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:05 am

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He also wasn't under the same microscope in the primaries as he would be in the general, however.

True, but I don't think it would have the same affects. With all the long running and personal distaste for Clinton, she still won the popular vote. Totally ignoring policy, imagine if you had someone running who wasn't already a hate figure? And who consistently polled best in the key states Trump took from Clinton? The hardest part would be after the election, not the race itself.

Remember when Sanders beat Trump in polling in Utah?
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:17 am

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Bakery Hill wrote:True, but I don't think it would have the same affects. With all the long running and personal distaste for Clinton, she still won the popular vote. Totally ignoring policy, imagine if you had someone running who wasn't already a hate figure? And who consistently polled best in the key states Trump took from Clinton? The hardest part would be after the election, not the race itself.

Remember when Sanders beat Trump in polling in Utah?


There were similar polls for Clinton IIRC.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:19 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:There were similar polls for Clinton IIRC.


At one point, there was multiple polls showing Trump close to, or even ahead in, New Mexico and Vermont. Polling in general was very wacky in 2016.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:21 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:


There were similar polls for Clinton IIRC.

When?
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Postby Kiger » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:27 am

I never thought I'd find a thread(s) for Trump supporters :" )

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Postby Corrian » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:29 am

Kiger wrote:I never thought I'd find a thread(s) for Trump supporters :" )

This is not a thread for Trump supporters specifically.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:45 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Source?


Here
ncome tax cuts stimulate demand by putting more money into consumers' pockets. That's important because consumer spending drives 70 percent of economic growth. It then creates jobs when businesses ramp up production to meet higher demand. A study by the Congressional Budget Office found that the Bush tax cuts would create 4.6 jobs for every $1 million if extended into 2011-2012.


However, there is some debate over whether tax cuts for higher income families create as many jobs as tax cuts for low- and moderate-income families. The theory is that lower income families must spend the tax cuts, driving demand, while higher income families will save their tax cut. Furthermore, higher income family spending is less influenced by tax cuts because they families can maintain their spending by cutting into their savings, or getting loans or credit. Their tax cuts are more likely to be used to pay back loans.

Payroll tax cuts are one of the most cost-effective ways to increase jobs. According to the CBO, every $1 million in payroll tax cuts creates 13 new jobs. Payroll tax cuts create jobs in four ways. First, some companies use the savings to reduce prices. That increases demand, which necessitates hiring more workers.

Second, other companies raise wages to retain good workers, who would then spend more, increasing demand.

Third, some firms keep the tax savings, allowing them to buy more and increase demand. Fourth, companies that already had popular products would use the savings to hire more workers. This fourth method is the most cost-effective way to create jobs.

In fact, if Congress only gives payroll tax cuts for new hires, then every $1 million in payroll tax cuts creates 18 new jobs.(Source: "The Economic Outlook and Fiscal Policy Choices," Congressional Budget Office, September 28, 2010)

Did you read your own source? It specifically says that it is doubtful that high income tax cuts create jobs.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:49 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Did you read your own source? It specifically says that it is doubtful that high income tax cuts create jobs.


Yes, and it only notes that there is some debate over whether or not such cuts create as many jobs as across the board cuts do not whether they do or not at all.
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Postby Hard Rock N Roll » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:44 am

The Trump tax cuts will boost the economy, mostly because the Corporate Tax will be reduced from 35% to some 20%. This will stop companies from leaving the USA for Mexico.

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Postby Corrian » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:52 am

Hard Rock N Roll wrote:The Trump tax cuts will boost the economy, mostly because the Corporate Tax will be reduced from 35% to some 20%. This will stop companies from leaving the USA for Mexico.

No it won't.
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Postby Dahon » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:58 am

Worked every time.

:roll:

On another note, seems like our erstwhile horserider and sometime kiddie-diddler Roy Moore went ahead and sued to block the results of the Dec. 12 Alabama Senate special election, because "integrity".

This could've been Trump, y'know.
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Postby The of Japan » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:59 am

Corrian wrote:
Hard Rock N Roll wrote:The Trump tax cuts will boost the economy, mostly because the Corporate Tax will be reduced from 35% to some 20%. This will stop companies from leaving the USA for Mexico.

No it won't.

Not by the method the other poster suggested, rather it would be more from small business creation and growth.
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Postby The of Japan » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:00 am

Dahon wrote:Worked every time.

:roll:

On another note, seems like our erstwhile horserider and sometime kiddie-diddler Roy Moore went ahead and sued to block the results of the Dec. 12 Alabama Senate special election, because "integrity".

This could've been Trump, y'know.

Accused and may have, they haven’t proven beyond doubt he did so.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:12 am

Dahon wrote:Worked every time.

:roll:

On another note, seems like our erstwhile horserider and sometime kiddie-diddler Roy Moore went ahead and sued to block the results of the Dec. 12 Alabama Senate special election, because "integrity".

This could've been Trump, y'know.

Of course he did. He's a poor loser. Gotta spout that there was somehow illegal rigging by Democrats in a heavily Republican state.
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Postby The of Japan » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:20 am


So he is slightly more lenient of nursing homes.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:57 am

Corrian wrote:No it won't.


Probably will; it should be noted that Liberal golden standards like Sweden and Denmark have rates pretty close to 20% (22% for both, respectively).
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:57 am

The of Japan wrote:

So he is slightly more lenient of nursing homes.


Nursing homes are places where it's not terribly unlikely to find abuses against people who can't do anything about it. That's why being more lenient on them isn't the greatest idea.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:17 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Corrian wrote:No it won't.


Probably will; it should be noted that Liberal golden standards like Sweden and Denmark have rates pretty close to 20% (22% for both, respectively).

I googled Denmark tax rates and got 60%?
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Postby Oil exporting People » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:22 am

Corrian wrote:I googled Denmark tax rates and got 60%?


Corporate Tax Rate, which is 22% for Sweden and 24.5% for Denmark (I was wrong on this one, thought it was the same for both them and the Swedes):

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Postby Dahon » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:25 am

Valrifell wrote:
The of Japan wrote:So he is slightly more lenient of nursing homes.


Nursing homes are places where it's not terribly unlikely to find abuses against people who can't do anything about it. That's why being more lenient on them isn't the greatest idea.


Of course, being rich as fuck and all (even if, knowing him, his wealth is as arbitrarily inflated as his ego), he won't have to suffer the consequences.
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:59 am

Hard Rock N Roll wrote:The Trump tax cuts will boost the economy, mostly because the Corporate Tax will be reduced from 35% to some 20%. This will stop companies from leaving the USA for Mexico.


Given that no company in the US actually pays either 35% or 20% taxes (unless there's some utterly incompetent company out there that deserves to go bankrupt), no it wont.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:26 am


Doesn't Trump own a load of nursing homes?


Oil exporting People wrote:
Corrian wrote:I googled Denmark tax rates and got 60%?


Corporate Tax Rate, which is 22% for Sweden and 24.5% for Denmark (I was wrong on this one, thought it was the same for both them and the Swedes):

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Ireland's is 12.5%. :)

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