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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:53 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:Oh a good, unbiased thread title....

Yes, reality has a liberal bias.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:55 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Corrian wrote:Oh, trust me, I support making them a state.

Which we would have hopefully got with Sanders and a congress on his side...

I dunno what we should do with the other territories. They're really too small to be a state by themselves. Even I can agree with that. But they should at least get some form of representation.


Nearby USVI could be included as part of PR for statehood. The rest of them I don't have a clue.


USVI is too small for that. It'll just become a colony for PR. It'd be easier to combine USVI with American Samoa, Guam, the Marianas, and the outlying islands. No one said a state had to be continuous.


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Collatis wrote:Why? If Wyoming gets to be a state, I see no reason why the territories can't.

I think your argument would be better with Road Island than Wyoming


You go by population, not area. By population, Wyoming is the smallest state. They'll never hit Rhode Island's million+ population.


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Collatis wrote:Why? If Wyoming gets to be a state, I see no reason why the territories can't.

Wyoming has 586,000 people

Territories have:
Guam: 159,358
Northern Mariana Islands: 53,467
United States Virgin Islands: 106,405
American Samoa: 55,519
Various others that don't even make 300 people

Combined, still less than Wyoming.


Not by much.


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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:55 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:Oh a good, unbiased thread title....

Yes, reality has a liberal bias.

First, prove that Trump himself is directly involved in any of this.....
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:57 pm

Corrian wrote:Beat you to it :P


But you didn't have the Wyoming voters data :P
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:58 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Yes, reality has a liberal bias.

First, prove that Trump himself is directly involved in any of this.....


We don't have to prove anything, we're just watching this 'nothing burger' that was constantly laughed at by Trump supporters catch its first head.

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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:01 pm

Albrenia wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:First, prove that Trump himself is directly involved in any of this.....


We don't have to prove anything, we're just watching this 'nothing burger' that was constantly laughed at by Trump supporters catch its first head.

Yeah, somehow I think that if you make such claims that you have to back it up with an unassailable source. Isn't that what everyone says?
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:03 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:Oh a good, unbiased thread title....


I was merely quoting the current president of the United States in his righteous battle against the Clintons.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/ ... ney-228873

Who could possibly ascribe any other meaning to the thread title?

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:03 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
We don't have to prove anything, we're just watching this 'nothing burger' that was constantly laughed at by Trump supporters catch its first head.

Yeah, somehow I think that if you make such claims that you have to back it up with an unassailable source. Isn't that what everyone says?


I'm not making any claims though, just enjoying the show. If it catchs Trump directly or just shows up how dirty those he consorts with are, it's all good.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:04 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:Oh a good, unbiased thread title....


I was merely quoting the current president of the United States in his righteous battle against the Clintons.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/ ... ney-228873

Who could possibly ascribe any other meaning to the thread title?


Of course, that's why it's the title of this thread. Any relevance to current happenings is purely a coincidence :P
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Postby Corrian » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:10 pm

Collatis wrote:
Corrian wrote:Wyoming has 586,000 people

Territories have:
Guam: 159,358
Northern Mariana Islands: 53,467
United States Virgin Islands: 106,405
American Samoa: 55,519
Various others that don't even make 300 people

Combined, still less than Wyoming.

The population difference between California and Wyoming is considerably larger than Wyoming and any of the territories.

I actually don't really know how we should best do things. It is weird to me that Wyoming has 2 Senators representing them, and so does a state with nearly 80 times more people.

But I guess that is what the House is for. California has 53 districts while Wyoming has 1.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:10 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
We don't have to prove anything, we're just watching this 'nothing burger' that was constantly laughed at by Trump supporters catch its first head.

Yeah, somehow I think that if you make such claims that you have to back it up with an unassailable source. Isn't that what everyone says?

We'll just let Mr. Mueller do his job and after a long while we'll see if it's either a nothingburger or a triple-digit steakhouse dinner.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:13 pm

Corrian wrote:
Collatis wrote:The population difference between California and Wyoming is considerably larger than Wyoming and any of the territories.

I actually don't really know how we should best do things. It is weird to me that Wyoming has 2 Senators representing them, and so does a state with nearly 80 times more people.

But I guess that is what the House is for. California has 53 districts while Wyoming has 1.

Well, yeah. The Senate is supposed to be an august body of statesmen not subject to the changing winds of popular opinion. That's why Senators get six-year terms and members of the House only two years.
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Postby Collatis » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:15 pm

Corrian wrote:
Collatis wrote:The population difference between California and Wyoming is considerably larger than Wyoming and any of the territories.

I actually don't really know how we should best do things. It is weird to me that Wyoming has 2 Senators representing them, and so does a state with nearly 80 times more people.

But I guess that is what the House is for. California has 53 districts while Wyoming has 1.

The solution is simple: abolish the Senate ;)

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:22 pm

Collatis wrote:
Corrian wrote:I actually don't really know how we should best do things. It is weird to me that Wyoming has 2 Senators representing them, and so does a state with nearly 80 times more people.

But I guess that is what the House is for. California has 53 districts while Wyoming has 1.

The solution is simple: abolish the Senate ;)


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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:23 pm

Corrian wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I think your argument would be better with Road Island than Wyoming

Road Island almost has twice as many people as Wyoming.

Size wise
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:26 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
I was merely quoting the current president of the United States in his righteous battle against the Clintons.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/ ... ney-228873

Who could possibly ascribe any other meaning to the thread title?


Of course, that's why it's the title of this thread. Any relevance to current happenings is purely a coincidence :P


I'm not even an American.

I'm therefore wholly incapable of understanding these 'current happenings' of which you write.

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Postby Longweather » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:29 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Corrian wrote:I actually don't really know how we should best do things. It is weird to me that Wyoming has 2 Senators representing them, and so does a state with nearly 80 times more people.

But I guess that is what the House is for. California has 53 districts while Wyoming has 1.

Well, yeah. The Senate is supposed to be an august body of statesmen not subject to the changing winds of popular opinion. That's why Senators get six-year terms and members of the House only two years.


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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:34 pm

Corrian wrote:I do feel like, despite what Fox News might try to say, this is the beginning of things getting truly "juicy".


It could easily be a sign of a wider conspiracy, but in any case, we have evidence that Trump doesn't hire the best people, even more evidence that the DNC hack wasn't fake news, and evidence of collusion between Trump's campaign and Russia. At this point, the best Trump can argue is that he was oblivious to the inner workings of his own campaign.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:39 pm

Smartest Man in the Room was totally oblivious to the nature of those he hired, eheheh.

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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:45 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Yes, reality has a liberal bias.

First, prove that Trump himself is directly involved in any of this.....

It is quite true that Trump may have been entirely unaware that his senior campaign members were taking meetings with Russian agents, unaware that his campaign manager was lying on official documents about taking those meetings, and further unaware of criminal background of the person he hired to be the campaign manager. Ordinarily this level of incompetence and obliviousness would raise some questions, but with Trump I suppose it is entirely possible.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:47 pm

Corrian wrote:
Collatis wrote:The population difference between California and Wyoming is considerably larger than Wyoming and any of the territories.

I actually don't really know how we should best do things. It is weird to me that Wyoming has 2 Senators representing them, and so does a state with nearly 80 times more people.

But I guess that is what the House is for. California has 53 districts while Wyoming has 1.


And yet we're still a Donor State instead of a Recipient State. Shows you how hard our Representatives work...
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:55 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:First, prove that Trump himself is directly involved in any of this.....

It is quite true that Trump may have been entirely unaware that his senior campaign members were taking meetings with Russian agents, unaware that his campaign manager was lying on official documents about taking those meetings, and further unaware of criminal background of the person he hired to be the campaign manager. Ordinarily this level of incompetence and obliviousness would raise some questions, but with Trump I suppose it is entirely possible.

Still, better than Hillary having knowledge about this: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/10/ ... ency-laws/
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:56 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:It is quite true that Trump may have been entirely unaware that his senior campaign members were taking meetings with Russian agents, unaware that his campaign manager was lying on official documents about taking those meetings, and further unaware of criminal background of the person he hired to be the campaign manager. Ordinarily this level of incompetence and obliviousness would raise some questions, but with Trump I suppose it is entirely possible.

Still, better than Hillary having knowledge about this: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/10/ ... ency-laws/


I feel dirty just by looking at that link.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:56 pm

So the cries of 'But Hillary...' begin...

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:57 pm

Valrifell wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:Still, better than Hillary having knowledge about this: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/10/ ... ency-laws/


I feel dirty just by looking at that link.


Are you suggesting that site could ever be anything other than 100% truthful?
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