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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:11 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Woohoo a chair. NATO can ship a chair to Korea.

I don't understand, is this supposed to prove your point?

The last time NATO put an actual corps d'armee on the battlefield was Desert Storm, on the back of half a century of training and practice. What does Britain have today other than a few unprotected technical brigades? What does France have? What does Germany have? What does Poland have? What does America have?
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Kramania wrote:Not that this isn't fun, but what exactly does this have to do with the button? I can't speak for other Trump supporters. I can only speak for myself, so these links you're providing are completely irrelevant to, well, everything. Can't you just stay focused?

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I've been trying to get you to explain what your point waa since this entire fucking debate began.

So you can't quote where you asked what my point is. You just spent the whole time wanking off how you knew what the silly liberal's point was all along and how silly it was and if it wasn't that, then it was clearly incoherent and not a real point.

Bravissima.
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I mentioned Trump's impeachment... once. Before I started talking to you.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:14 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I don't understand, is this supposed to prove your point?

The last time NATO put an actual corps d'armee on the battlefield was Desert Storm, on the back of half a century of training and practice. What does Britain have today other than a few unprotected technical brigades? What does France have? What does Germany have? What does Poland have? What does America have?

Uh, armies? Duh?

Especially the United States of America.

Also
>Half a century of practice
Most soldiers don't have sixty-year careers outside of higher ranks.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:14 pm

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The last time NATO put an actual corps d'armee on the battlefield was Desert Storm, on the back of half a century of training and practice. What does Britain have today other than a few unprotected technical brigades? What does France have? What does Germany have? What does Poland have? What does America have?

Uh, armies? Duh?

Especially the United States of America.

Also
>Half a century of practice
Most soldiers don't have sixty-year careers outside of higher ranks.

America put a meagre two divisions in Iraq in 2003, a shadow of the forces it could muster for Desert Storm. The British half of a division. NATO has only drawn down further from 2003.

Do you think 50 years of standing watch on the Fulda Gap was irrelevant to how America fought Desert Storm?
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Postby Collatis » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:16 pm

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Parti Ouvrier wrote:No, but definitely not in favour of nuclear weapons anyway in the world.

What's the difference between mass murder from conventional weaponry and mass murder from nuclear weapons?

Both are mass murder, and mass murder is wrong.

I didn't know this was such a controversial topic :eyebrow:
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:16 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I don't understand, is this supposed to prove your point?

The last time NATO put an actual corps d'armee on the battlefield was Desert Storm, on the back of half a century of training and practice. What does Britain have today other than a few unprotected technical brigades? What does France have? What does Germany have? What does Poland have? What does America have?

Jets from not the 50's, better trained, better funded, better fed, ect.

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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:16 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Uh, armies? Duh?

Especially the United States of America.

America put a meagre two divisions in Iraq in 2003, a shadow of the forces it could muster for Desert Storm.

Those two divisions plus allied troops did a pretty good job at defeating the Iraqi Army.

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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:16 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The last time NATO put an actual corps d'armee on the battlefield was Desert Storm, on the back of half a century of training and practice. What does Britain have today other than a few unprotected technical brigades? What does France have? What does Germany have? What does Poland have? What does America have?

Jets from not the 50's, better trained, better funded, better fed, ect.

Don't forget food.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:18 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Uh, armies? Duh?

Especially the United States of America.

America put a meagre two divisions in Iraq in 2003, a shadow of the forces it could muster for Desert Storm.

Iraq in 2003? You do know we were in Baghdad within a month, right? That we didn't need an entire fucking army group to handle Bumfuckistan?

Do you even have a leg to stand on anymore?
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Postby Community Values » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:19 pm

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Community Values wrote:What's the difference between mass murder from conventional weaponry and mass murder from nuclear weapons?

Both are mass murder, and mass murder is wrong.

I didn't know this was such a controversial topic :eyebrow:

For one, I don't believe the dropping of the bombs, or war in most cases is mass murder. But when someone says they are not a pacifist, and also calls the nuclear bombs mass murder, one has to question why they disapprove of one, and are either apathetic or pro the other.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:20 pm

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Do you think 50 years of standing watch on the Fulda Gap was irrelevant to how America fought Desert Storm?

Yeah. It's pretty fucking irrelevant, in terms of training.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:20 pm

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:America put a meagre two divisions in Iraq in 2003, a shadow of the forces it could muster for Desert Storm.

Iraq in 2003? You do know we were in Baghdad within a month, right? That we didn't need an entire fucking army group to handle Bumfuckistan?

Do you even have a leg to stand on anymore?

You were in Baghdad within the month, and then? NATO utterly crushed Iraq in 1990, with such force that even the Soviet Union took note. Compared to Desert Storm Iraqi Freedom was a fucking whimper.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:21 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:You were in Baghdad within the month, and then? NATO utterly crushed Iraq in 1990, with such force that even the Soviet Union took note. Compared to Desert Storm Iraqi Freedom was a fucking whimper.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:21 pm

Community Values wrote:
Collatis wrote:Both are mass murder, and mass murder is wrong.

I didn't know this was such a controversial topic :eyebrow:

For one, I don't believe the dropping of the bombs, or war in most cases is mass murder. But when someone says they are not a pacifist, and also calls the nuclear bombs mass murder, one has to question why they disapprove of one, and are either apathetic or pro the other.

Reminder that they refused to answer my question twice now so I can only assume that they tacitly approve of the quasi-genocidal Imperial Japanese government.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:22 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Iraq in 2003? You do know we were in Baghdad within a month, right? That we didn't need an entire fucking army group to handle Bumfuckistan?

Do you even have a leg to stand on anymore?

You were in Baghdad within the month, and then? NATO utterly crushed Iraq in 1990, with such force that even the Soviet Union took note. Compared to Desert Storm Iraqi Freedom was a fucking whimper.

I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore. Probably something really stupid though.

Are you trying to imply America can't muster up enough men to take on North Korea or something?
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Postby Collatis » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:24 pm

Community Values wrote:For one, I don't believe the dropping of the bombs, or war in most cases is mass murder.

It is when it's done against civilians.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:24 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:You were in Baghdad within the month, and then? NATO utterly crushed Iraq in 1990, with such force that even the Soviet Union took note. Compared to Desert Storm Iraqi Freedom was a fucking whimper.

I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore. Probably something really stupid though.

The NATO in 2018 compared to the one in 1989 is a joke. An utter joke. None of the member countries can airlift or sealift anywhere without crying for America and even America can only do it with a few brigades. If war breaks out in North Korea the fighting will be mostly on ROKA because they are there, they're prepared and they haven't been busying themselves with such nonsense such as disarmament.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:25 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Iraq in 2003? You do know we were in Baghdad within a month, right? That we didn't need an entire fucking army group to handle Bumfuckistan?

Do you even have a leg to stand on anymore?

You were in Baghdad within the month, and then? NATO utterly crushed Iraq in 1990, with such force that even the Soviet Union took note. Compared to Desert Storm Iraqi Freedom was a fucking whimper.

...What

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:26 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore. Probably something really stupid though.

The NATO in 2018 compared to the one in 1989 is a joke. An utter joke. None of the member countries can airlift or sealift anywhere without crying for America and even America can only do it with a few brigades. If war breaks out in North Korea the fighting will be mostly on ROKA because they are there, they're prepared and they haven't been busying themselves with such nonsense such as disarmament.

Yeah, something stupid. Called it.
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:26 pm

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Kramania wrote:Not that this isn't fun, but what exactly does this have to do with the button? I can't speak for other Trump supporters. I can only speak for myself, so these links you're providing are completely irrelevant to, well, everything. Can't you just stay focused?

"Do you need tinfoil? You believe that something that happened happened."

"Jesus H. Christ have you not been listening to the news the past year? That's a common phenomenon amongst Trump supporters."

"lol vox"

"Here's business insider, then."

"CAN'T YOU STAY FOCUSED????"

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So a Vox article and a BusinessInsider article about how Trump supporters apparently don't acknowledge the Russian scandal is now proof that the White House has been infiltrated by Russians?

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I've been trying to get you to explain what your point waa since this entire fucking debate began.

So you can't quote where you asked what my point is. You just spent the whole time wanking off how you knew what the silly liberal's point was all along and how silly it was and if it wasn't that, then it was clearly incoherent and not a real point.

Bravissima.

I'm on my phone so I'm not going to quote shit at the moment. But hey, if that's excuse enough for you to continue stroking your ego then so be it.

Will you deign to tell me what your actual point is or should I give up on waiting?

Unfortunately you've been too caught up in your own snark and jerking off to the thought of Trump being impeached to explain it to me.

I mentioned Trump's impeachment... once. Before I started talking to you.

Your attention to detail is... astounding.

Bruv, you have a trend of being unable to stay focused on any coherent subject. So yes, I pick up on things.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:27 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore. Probably something really stupid though.

The NATO in 2018 compared to the one in 1989 is a joke. An utter joke. None of the member countries can airlift or sealift anywhere without crying for America and even America can only do it with a few brigades. If war breaks out in North Korea the fighting will be mostly on ROKA because they are there, they're prepared and they haven't been busying themselves with such nonsense such as disarmament.

I'm lost. What is your point? ROKA will beat NK faster than the US will? Does it matter?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:30 pm

Kramania wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:"Do you need tinfoil? You believe that something that happened happened."

"Jesus H. Christ have you not been listening to the news the past year? That's a common phenomenon amongst Trump supporters."

"lol vox"

"Here's business insider, then."

"CAN'T YOU STAY FOCUSED????"

10/10

So a Vox article and a BusinessInsider article about how Trump supporters apparently don't acknowledge the Russian scandal is now proof that the White House has been infiltrated by Russians?

10/10

Where did I say anything about the White House? As per always, your attention to detail is truly awe-inspiring. And my links were to display the phenomenon of Trump supporters ignoring the news; the issue of Russian damage to our systems is far more expansive than a single issue or article.

You might have picked up on that if you'd been following the news this past year.
Bruv, you have a trend of being unable to stay focused on any coherent subject. So yes, I pick up on things.

Ah, delicious irony. The Dunning-Kruger effect in action. Fascinating.
Will you deign to tell me what your actual point is or should I give up on waiting?

The point was that Trump's spittle-filled rants about how his dick is so much bigger is dangerous because even though he's not ready to push the button we're dealing with a non-rational actor which has openly eschewed the idea of MAD. Which is obvious, to anyone who has followed the NK situation any time in the past, oh, decade and a half, say?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:31 pm

I think I know how to raise the money for the recovery funds for United Korea.

NATO traveling fair tour of all it's member nations Staring Donald Trump as a dunk tank clown.

3$ for three balls.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:32 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:I think I know how to raise the money for the recovery funds for United Korea.

NATO traveling fair tour of all it's member nations Staring Donald Trump as a dunk tank clown.

3$ for three balls.

DO IT!!!

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Postby Camicon » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:36 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:I think I know how to raise the money for the recovery funds for United Korea.

NATO traveling fair tour of all it's member nations Staring Donald Trump as a dunk tank clown.

3$ for three balls.

Christ Derpy, we're trying to raise money for United Korea's recovery, not bankrupt every NATO member.
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