North Korea sinks S. Korean Warship. oh f*ck

[Parthenon]

Exaggeration much? poorly armed terrorists have taken 9 years so far.
And since NK has a quite well trained military and most likely getting high end AA from China, maybe even Russia...

Well trained and fucking enormous!

Iraq had the 4th largest army in the world before the gulf war. Doesn't mean shit. The US army fucking pwnz3s. fact.

Didn't help in 'nam

Actually, we overwhelmingly won every major combat engagement with North Vietnamese forces and had the technological capability to level their entire nation...

[Greater Americania]

Ya wanna check the fact that we lost?

Lose? What is this 'losing' you speak of? I much rather prefer to consider it a 'withdrawal', given that the American Army was never routed and slaughtered thousands upon thousands more than Americans that actually died. Before you go off supporting the argument that we "lost" Vietnam because of the Army, you should probably go look up something on the politics of the day.

[The Alma Mater]

Actually, we overwhelmingly won every major combat engagement with North Vietnamese forces and had the technological capability to level their entire nation...

But did not achieve the desired objective.

Ya wanna check the fact that we lost?

Lose? What is this 'losing' you speak of? I much rather prefer to consider it a 'withdrawal', given that the American Army was never routed and slaughtered thousands upon thousands more than Americans that actually died. Before you go off supporting the argument that we lost Vietnam because of the Army, you should probably go look up something on the politics of the day.

Wars are fought for a reason. They have a goal.
The USA did not achieve their goal. The vietcong did.

[Greater Americania]

But did not achieve the desired objective.

Well, the desired objective was getting out of the war regardless of what happened to South Vietnam at the time of the American exit, so yeah, we did.

[Greed and Death]

Actually, we overwhelmingly won every major combat engagement with North Vietnamese forces and had the technological capability to level their entire nation...

But did not achieve the desired objective.

Ya wanna check the fact that we lost?

Lose? What is this 'losing' you speak of? I much rather prefer to consider it a 'withdrawal', given that the American Army was never routed and slaughtered thousands upon thousands more than Americans that actually died. Before you go off supporting the argument that we lost Vietnam because of the Army, you should probably go look up something on the politics of the day.

Wars are fought for a reason. They have a goal.
The USA did not achieve their goal. The vietcong did.

Because we did not level their entire nation.

[New Kereptica]

Ya wanna check the fact that we lost?

Lose? What is this 'losing' you speak of? I much rather prefer to consider it a 'withdrawal', given that the American Army was never routed and slaughtered thousands upon thousands more than Americans that actually died. Before you go off supporting the argument that we "lost" Vietnam because of the Army, you should probably go look up something on the politics of the day.

That slaughter is why we lost. We failed to prevent Vietnam from becoming a communist state, and in the process, killed millions without reason. That is what I call "losing".

[Greater Americania]

Wars are fought for a reason. They have a goal.
The USA did not achieve their goal. The vietcong did.

The USA's goals changed over time. At first it was fighting off the Communist North. Later, because of intensive pacifistic liberalism at home, it became withdrawal. Unfortunate, but true.

[Hegstoria]

What is the big surprise? NK and SK are still at war, there was no peace treaty. There have been naval engagements several times, and there will be again, it is nothing to fret over... for now.

[Parthenon]

Actually, we overwhelmingly won every major combat engagement with North Vietnamese forces and had the technological capability to level their entire nation...

But did not achieve the desired objective.

The desired objective of military commanders was thwarted by that loon Johnson and his cronies in washington.

[Greater Americania]

That slaughter is why we lost. We failed to prevent Vietnam from becoming a communist state, and in the process, killed millions without reason. That is what I call "losing".

Our losses were acceptable. The only notable losses suffered through the entire war were the political ones lost to the pacifists at home through the political process.

[Nobel Hobos]

They were on patrol near the border and at the mountain made of Iron their compasses fucked up.

And this was back in the seventies, before GLONASS or GPS came online?

Also, why not just move Seoul? They've had decades to do it. Just move the damn capitol, put the government money into some city further south. Even if nothing bad ever happens, surely S Korea would be better for decentralizing a bit ?

It's just plain arrogant to keep your capitol at the centre of a divided nation, where it would be if the two halves were one. Just like Berlin. Fucking stupid. Asking for trouble.

I didn't even get a GPS thingy and I was in the most over funded military in the world. I was so sad. I always had to shoot my azimuth with a compass.

I turn a deaf ear to your plea, veteran.

You got an education, you survived your service. You are moving on to further education (I'm guessing it's a scholarship, you say someone pays) and if you are permanently scarred ... those are not very ugly scars.

I'm too drunk to make my point, so I will just push you away now. As mates do, to avoid spraying each other with vomit.

[The Rice Islands]

Come to America. War torn countries suck. Besides, this country needs more Asians. ;)

Particularly Starcraft fans.

[New Kereptica]

That slaughter is why we lost. We failed to prevent Vietnam from becoming a communist state, and in the process, killed millions without reason. That is what I call "losing".

Our losses were acceptable. The only notable losses suffered through the entire war were the political ones lost to the pacifists at home through the political process.

Acceptable for what? We didn't accomplish our goal? We did nothing, and millions died in the process. How is that acceptable?

[North Suran]

Ya wanna check the fact that we lost?

Lose? What is this 'losing' you speak of? I much rather prefer to consider it a 'withdrawal', given that the American Army was never routed and slaughtered thousands upon thousands more than Americans that actually died. Before you go off supporting the argument that we "lost" Vietnam because of the Army, you should probably go look up something on the politics of the day.

Am I the only one reminded of Adolf Hitler whining about the Glorious German Fatherland being "stabbed in the back" by the politicians during WWI?

[Greater Americania]

Acceptable for what? We didn't accomplish our goal? We did nothing, and millions died in the process. How is that acceptable?

Only 50,000 Americans died. The rest were merely Vietnamese. They matter nothing to the American nation, and many of them were fighting to either defend their half of the country or as our enemy. Being thus, America has no guilt for their deaths.

The only reason 50,000 dead can be an unacceptable loss is because of the political losses at home. They died for no reason because the pacifists at home wouldn't allow the government to finish off the North. If we would have continued fighting like we should have, 50,000 would have been acceptable.

[Greater Americania]

Am I the only one reminded of Adolf Hitler whining about the Glorious German Fatherland being "stabbed in the back" by the politicians during WWI?

Reductio ad Hitlerum.

[Parthenon]

That slaughter is why we lost. We failed to prevent Vietnam from becoming a communist state, and in the process, killed millions without reason. That is what I call "losing".

Our losses were acceptable. The only notable losses suffered through the entire war were the political ones lost to the pacifists at home through the political process.

Acceptable for what? We didn't accomplish our goal? We did nothing, and millions died in the process. How is that acceptable?

Our goal was changed from victory to withdrawal by people with similar mindsets to you.

We had herbicidal warfare capability, vast supplies of napalm, chemical warfare capability, and nuclear capability. If our combat commanders were allowed to win we could have ... easily.

[Serrland]

That slaughter is why we lost. We failed to prevent Vietnam from becoming a communist state, and in the process, killed millions without reason. That is what I call "losing".

Our losses were acceptable. The only notable losses suffered through the entire war were the political ones lost to the pacifists at home through the political process.

Our losses may have been "acceptable" (although I personally disagree - cleaning up a mess the French made wasn't worth the loss of any American lives) but are the losses of upwards of 1,000,000 civilians (according to Encyclopedia Britannica) are acceptable?

[Greed and Death]

They were on patrol near the border and at the mountain made of Iron their compasses fucked up.

And this was back in the seventies, before GLONASS or GPS came online?

Also, why not just move Seoul? They've had decades to do it. Just move the damn capitol, put the government money into some city further south. Even if nothing bad ever happens, surely S Korea would be better for decentralizing a bit ?

It's just plain arrogant to keep your capitol at the centre of a divided nation, where it would be if the two halves were one. Just like Berlin. Fucking stupid. Asking for trouble.

I didn't even get a GPS thingy and I was in the most over funded military in the world. I was so sad. I always had to shoot my azimuth with a compass.

I turn a deaf ear to your plea, veteran.

You got an education, you survived your service. You are moving on to further education (I'm guessing it's a scholarship, you say someone pays) and if you are permanently scarred ... those are not very ugly scars.

I'm too drunk to make my point, so I will just push you away now. As mates do, to avoid spraying each other with vomit.

Its both veterans benefits and scholarship for law school.

As for the scarring it was mostly being too drunk to find the next bar in Korea.

[New Kereptica]

Acceptable for what? We didn't accomplish our goal? We did nothing, and millions died in the process. How is that acceptable?

Only 50,000 Americans died. The rest were merely Vietnamese. They matter nothing to the American nation, and many of them were fighting to either defend their half of the country or as our enemy. Being thus, America has no guilt for their deaths.

The only reason 50,000 dead can be an unacceptable loss is because of the political losses at home. They died for no reason because the pacifists at home wouldn't allow the government to finish off the North. If we would have continued fighting like we should have, 50,000 would have been acceptable.

"Merely Vietnamese"? They're people for fuck's sake! We killed them! Of course we have guilt!

And the reason that millions dead is an unacceptable loss is that their deaths accomplished nothing. You can talk all you want about what would [might] have happened, but it didn't. We withdrew; Vietnam went communist; millions died.

[Karsol]

That slaughter is why we lost. We failed to prevent Vietnam from becoming a communist state, and in the process, killed millions without reason. That is what I call "losing".

Our losses were acceptable. The only notable losses suffered through the entire war were the political ones lost to the pacifists at home through the political process.

Acceptable for what? We didn't accomplish our goal? We did nothing, and millions died in the process. How is that acceptable?

Our goal was changed from victory to withdrawal by people with similar mindsets to you.

We had herbicidal warfare capability, vast supplies of napalm, chemical warfare capability, and nuclear capability. If our combat commanders were allowed to win we could have ... easily.

At the expense of your allies? No European nation would stand for such actions after WWII, maybe even to the point of Allying with the SU.

[Greater Americania]

Our losses may have been "acceptable" (although I personally disagree - cleaning up a mess the French made wasn't worth the loss of any American lives) but are the losses of upwards of 1,000,000 civilians (according to Encyclopedia Britannica) are acceptable?

In war, people die; even civilians, despite the fact that killing civilians is not always the aim. We should not judge wars by how many foreign civilians die in the process.

[New Kereptica]

That slaughter is why we lost. We failed to prevent Vietnam from becoming a communist state, and in the process, killed millions without reason. That is what I call "losing".

Our losses were acceptable. The only notable losses suffered through the entire war were the political ones lost to the pacifists at home through the political process.

Acceptable for what? We didn't accomplish our goal? We did nothing, and millions died in the process. How is that acceptable?

Our goal was changed from victory to withdrawal by people with similar mindsets to you.

We had herbicidal warfare capability, vast supplies of napalm, chemical warfare capability, and nuclear capability. If our combat commanders were allowed to win we could have ... easily.

And yet we didn't.

The goal of the war was never to withdraw. The goal of the war was to win. We didn't, because political pressures forced a withdrawal.

[New Kereptica]

Our losses may have been "acceptable" (although I personally disagree - cleaning up a mess the French made wasn't worth the loss of any American lives) but are the losses of upwards of 1,000,000 civilians (according to Encyclopedia Britannica) are acceptable?

In war, people die; even civilians, despite the fact that killing civilians is not always the aim. We should not judge wars by how many foreign civilians die in the process.

We should when the wars are for nothing.

[Hegstoria]

Acceptable for what? We didn't accomplish our goal? We did nothing, and millions died in the process. How is that acceptable?

Only 50,000 Americans died. The rest were merely Vietnamese. They matter nothing to the American nation, and many of them were fighting to either defend their half of the country or as our enemy. Being thus, America has no guilt for their deaths.

The only reason 50,000 dead can be an unacceptable loss is because of the political losses at home. They died for no reason because the pacifists at home wouldn't allow the government to finish off the North. If we would have continued fighting like we should have, 50,000 would have been acceptable.

"Merely Vietnamese"? They're people for fuck's sake! We killed them! Of course we have guilt!

And the reason that millions dead is an unacceptable loss is that their deaths accomplished nothing. You can talk all you want about what would [might] have happened, but it didn't. We withdrew; Vietnam went communist; millions died.

Well actually they did. THey stopped the American military interventionism in Asia, as such they did accomplish something.