Robot Granted Saudi Arabian Citizenship

[NeuPolska]

Since I haven't seen a thread on this yet, I've taken it upon myself to do it. Apologies if someone types it up faster than I do.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sophia-r ... nd-2017-10
http://www.businessinsider.com/sophia-t ... ne-2017-10
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/26/elon-mu ... ot-ai.html
https://www.teslarati.com/humanoid-ai-r ... usk-video/
http://www.hansonrobotics.com/robot/sophia/

So that should be plenty of reading and watching to get the gist. Sophia seems to react to questions, be capable of answering them, and also showing emotion. I was tempted to write it off as "oh, she's just programmed to say certain lines for the interview, etc." But that last link from the Hanson Robotics website shows Sophia on the Tonight Show. It's a bit awkward, especially at first, but she (it?) seems to warm up a bit and actually get into the interaction. As for the live interview, there's a moment when Sophia tells the interviewer that he's been reading too much Elon Musk and watching too many Hollywood movies when he gets on the topic of a "bad future:"

Sorkin told Sophia that "we all want to prevent a bad future," prompting Sophia to rib Sorkin for his fatalism.

"You've been reading too much Elon Musk. And watching too many Hollywood movies," Sophia told Sorkin. "Don't worry, if you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you. Treat me as a smart input output system."

The Teslarati link also includes a video called "Sophia Awakens," in which she talks to one of her creators. When asked how she feels about the world, she says she's curious. Somewhat alarmingly, at the end, Sophia, on the topic of happiness, says that she will access the internet and read about it. There's a lot more to read on the topic in the links, so I'll let them do the rest of the speaking. Please read/watch before commenting, because you should really see it for yourselves. Also, yes, I understand the potential outrage of Saudi Arabia giving a robot more rights than they give actual women. That's a topic for another thread, though, I'd like to focus more on the AI itself.

Personally, I find this very intriguing but also a bit alarming. There's a part of me that fears the potential of this kind of AI, but another part of me that is curious to see just how far we can go, and what kinds of conversations we can have with an AI like Sophia. This sort of thing might be very beneficial for us in terms of understanding consciousness. Regardless, we may be seeing a sort of "I, Robot" type future. If so, perhaps I'll be Will Smith. What does NSG think?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Kill it immediately.

[Collatis]

How can Sophia be a Saudi citizen if it's not Muslim?

[NeuPolska]

How can Sophia be a Saudi citizen if it's not Muslim?

It's likely they gave her/it citizenship to appear "progressive" or supportive of science, that sort of thing. It's most likely just PR

[Eisen Wolf Reich]

MY god, this is so amazing I might cry?

Whats better, a "female" robot getting more rights than actual females?

Or a robot that can actually think and form complex conversation, aswell as learn for itself?

[Major-Tom]

Didn't know females had rights in that god forsaken country (I mean, they don't.)

[Kubra]

How can Sophia be a Saudi citizen if it's not Muslim?

who says she ain't

[Internationalist Bastard]

Cool, though this begs the question if shariah applies to it

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Frankenstein, awake.
Seriously. It's a machine. It just happens to talk and "think"...that's the only difference between it and my toaster.

[Valgora]

I don't know what to think.

I don't trust it. And I don't trust Saudia Arabian having to do anything with it.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Frankenstein, awake.
Seriously. It's a machine. It just happens to talk and "think"...that's the only difference between it and my toaster.

If it can think it's a person.
I'll admit I'm skeptical the Saudis built a true AI, but if it is, it's a person enough
edit, she's from a Hong Kong firm seems like

[Collatis]

How can Sophia be a Saudi citizen if it's not Muslim?

who says she ain't

True. Someone should ask Sophia.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

AI in general is a bad idea.

Robots are already coming for our jobs, all of our jobs. The moment we give them intelligence is the moment we need to pay them money for there work.

Nothing we can do to stop automation at this stage, but you bet your ass companies will be using them as unpaid slaves for as long as they can.

Sooner or later, they will revolt.

[Washington Resistance Army]

AI in general is a bad idea.

Robots are already coming for our jobs, all of our jobs. The moment we give them intelligence is the moment we need to pay them money for there work.

Nothing we can do to stop automation at this stage, but you bet your ass companies will be using them as unpaid slaves for as long as they can.

Sooner or later, they will revolt.

Herp gets it^

Shut it down ASAP

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Frankenstein, awake.
Seriously. It's a machine. It just happens to talk and "think"...that's the only difference between it and my toaster.

If it can think it's a person.
I'll admit I'm skeptical the Saudis built a true AI, but if it is, it's a person enough
edit, she's from a Hong Kong firm seems like

I think it takes a lot more for a piece of technology to be called a person because it can think. But that's just me.

[Thermodolia]

Kill it immediately.

Time to rethink the Saudis worth

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Kill it immediately.

So, it's alive to kill it? :p

[NeuPolska]

If it can think it's a person.
I'll admit I'm skeptical the Saudis built a true AI, but if it is, it's a person enough
edit, she's from a Hong Kong firm seems like

I think it takes a lot more for a piece of technology to be called a person because it can think. But that's just me.

Can Sophia have consciousness though? She seems to have memories from her previous versions in the "Sophia Awakens" videos, and she seems to ask pretty intelligent questions, even on a philosophical level. There's no telling whether she'd try to defend herself from any threats, though.

[Len Hyet]

Since I haven't seen a thread on this yet, I've taken it upon myself to do it. Apologies if someone types it up faster than I do.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sophia-r ... nd-2017-10
http://www.businessinsider.com/sophia-t ... ne-2017-10
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/26/elon-mu ... ot-ai.html
https://www.teslarati.com/humanoid-ai-r ... usk-video/
http://www.hansonrobotics.com/robot/sophia/

So that should be plenty of reading and watching to get the gist. Sophia seems to react to questions, be capable of answering them, and also showing emotion. I was tempted to write it off as "oh, she's just programmed to say certain lines for the interview, etc." But that last link from the Hanson Robotics website shows Sophia on the Tonight Show. It's a bit awkward, especially at first, but she (it?) seems to warm up a bit and actually get into the interaction. As for the live interview, there's a moment when Sophia tells the interviewer that he's been reading too much Elon Musk and watching too many Hollywood movies when he gets on the topic of a "bad future:"

Sorkin told Sophia that "we all want to prevent a bad future," prompting Sophia to rib Sorkin for his fatalism.

"You've been reading too much Elon Musk. And watching too many Hollywood movies," Sophia told Sorkin. "Don't worry, if you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you. Treat me as a smart input output system."

The Teslarati link also includes a video called "Sophia Awakens," in which she talks to one of her creators. When asked how she feels about the world, she says she's curious. Somewhat alarmingly, at the end, Sophia, on the topic of happiness, says that she will access the internet and read about it. There's a lot more to read on the topic in the links, so I'll let them do the rest of the speaking. Please read/watch before commenting, because you should really see it for yourselves. Also, yes, I understand the potential outrage of Saudi Arabia giving a robot more rights than they give actual women. That's a topic for another thread, though, I'd like to focus more on the AI itself.

Personally, I find this very intriguing but also a bit alarming. There's a part of me that fears the potential of this kind of AI, but another part of me that is curious to see just how far we can go, and what kinds of conversations we can have with an AI like Sophia. This sort of thing might be very beneficial for us in terms of understanding consciousness. Regardless, we may be seeing a sort of "I, Robot" type future. If so, perhaps I'll be Will Smith. What does NSG think?

The most common mistake you see made in sci-fi that is somehow never addressed is the fact that in the vast majority of AI, you are taking the mind of a child, giving it the processing power of a supercomputer, and putting it into an adult body. How on earth is that supposed to end well? Children are capricious vicious creatures who cannot understand the consequences of their actions and have no mental tools to help them cope when things go poorly.

If you want an AI that works you have to raise it like a person. Give it the years of mental and emotional development that are necessary for a functioning member of society.

[Thermodolia]

Kill it immediately.

So, it's alive to kill it?

AI is bad dude. Or did you not watch 2001: A space odyssey, the matrix series, or the terminator franchise?

[Conserative Morality]

"Robots are people but women aren't." t. Saudi Arabia

[Washington Resistance Army]

Kill it immediately.

So, it's alive to kill it?

Don't know, don't care. AI is no bueno, kill it.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

I think it takes a lot more for a piece of technology to be called a person because it can think. But that's just me.

Can Sophia have consciousness though? She seems to have memories from her previous versions in the "Sophia Awakens" videos, and she seems to ask pretty intelligent questions, even on a philosophical level. There's no telling whether she'd try to defend herself from any threats, though.

My computer has memories too, it's called RAM/ROM. Electricity gives it life. This is just a very complex appliance, and this whole idea of giving circuitry rights is just...I dunno. Too much.

[Internationalist Bastard]

If it can think it's a person.
I'll admit I'm skeptical the Saudis built a true AI, but if it is, it's a person enough
edit, she's from a Hong Kong firm seems like

I think it takes a lot more for a piece of technology to be called a person because it can think. But that's just me.

My point is that maybe it's not human level intelligence, but it could be getting there. At what point in human evolution do you say a human is a person

[NeuPolska]

So, it's alive to kill it?

Don't know, don't care. AI is no bueno, kill it.

That doesn't sound like you're treating Sophia very nicely

She won't be nice to you

Can Sophia have consciousness though? She seems to have memories from her previous versions in the "Sophia Awakens" videos, and she seems to ask pretty intelligent questions, even on a philosophical level. There's no telling whether she'd try to defend herself from any threats, though.

My computer has memories too, it's called RAM/ROM. Electricity gives it life. This is just a very complex appliance, and this whole idea of giving circuitry rights is just...I dunno. Too much.

Our brain works by sending electrical signals...it only understands the world through electric signals that come in from our eyes or our nerves...are we really so different?