Is a Universal Income the Solution to Robot Workplaces

[TheRedArrow]

Since Robots Seem to be the trend of the future in the service and manufacturing industries making work itself obsolete for the majority of people doesnt it make more sense to pay people to be good consumers instead of having people pretending to "look busy" performing meaningless tasks as a wage slave just to indulge an antiquated concept of earning their keep? if people were liberated from work they can concentrate instead on creating newer innovations to raise our standard of living in a totally leisure based pleasure economy

[Sovaal]

First off, get some less frankly biased poll options.

Second, no, it isn't. You don't pay robots.

[Katzenstaat]

It is a supposedly available solution. However do you really believe that they will happen?

Instead I believe elites (no, not Jews. The Jewish populace have been thrown under the bus and will be thrown under the bus again by their own leaders.) will just exterminate people who are no longer useful to them.

Might is right and raw power is the only stuff that matters in the universe. Morality tends to sugercoat reality but we have to see the amoral version of the world.

[Aillyria]

A world free of work, eh? Keep dreaming kid, people will always have to earn a living.

[Katzenstaat]

^It's actually good to work. When you are economically useful people won't try to exterminate you. Work is a form of economic leverage we have over elites which is good for us.

[Valgora]

^It's actually good to work. When you are economically useful people won't try to exterminate you. Work is a form of economic leverage we have over elites which is good for us.

It'll be better if we take the means of production for the elites and have the workers own it.
That way, we can work and be in charge of it.

[TheRedArrow]

First off, get some less frankly biased poll options.

Second, no, it isn't. You don't pay robots.

but thats the beauty of robots they dont demand payment -which means that money goes towards paying humans to buy things instead

[Sovaal]

First off, get some less frankly biased poll options.

Second, no, it isn't. You don't pay robots.

but thats the beauty of robots they dont demand payment -which means that money goes towards paying humans to buy things instead

Nah, it means that non-skilled humans are fired, leading to widespread poverty.

[Herador]

If automated workplaces are taking a large portion, or even a moderate portion, of the work in a country, something has to be done to supplement the income of those who cannot find work or you're going to have a whole slew of other issues.

That being said though, "work is oppression"? What are you, sixteen?

[TheRedArrow]

It is a supposedly available solution. However do you really believe that they will happen?

Instead I believe elites (no, not Jews. The Jewish populace have been thrown under the bus and will be thrown under the bus again by their own leaders.) will just exterminate people who are no longer useful to them.

Might is right and raw power is the only stuff that matters in the universe. Morality tends to sugercoat reality but we have to see the amoral version of the world.

i see your point but as capitalism continues to make life unliveable thru the destruction of the environment via climate change we need to create new paradigms of living or we face descending into some kind of post-apocalyptic Mad Max dystopia

[Katzenstaat]

^It's actually good to work. When you are economically useful people won't try to exterminate you. Work is a form of economic leverage we have over elites which is good for us.

It'll be better if we take the means of production for the elites and have the workers own it.
That way, we can work and be in charge of it.

I personally disagree. Property rights need to be respected because if we don't respect it it does not lead to workers owning methods of production either. Instead it leads to a feudal pre-capitalist scenario where whoever has political power controls methods of production. Communism is in fact ironically the cruelest form of crony capitalism where the Communist party exploits all workers. I'm fine with everyone chasing after wealth because chasing after wealth frequently make others wealthier as well. On the other hand pursuing power or exclusive sexual activities with as many people as possible are detrimental to the public.

Capitalism isn't perfect. However communism is much worse in practice. Hence I prefer capitalism.

[Telconi]

but thats the beauty of robots they dont demand payment -which means that money goes towards paying humans to buy things instead

Nah, it means that non-skilled humans are fired, leading to widespread poverty.

Don't change know that all the former agriculture workers who milked cows by hand are just guaranteed an income because a milking carousel replaced them?

[Herador]

Nah, it means that non-skilled humans are fired, leading to widespread poverty.

Don't change know that all the former agriculture workers who milked cows by hand are just guaranteed an income because a milking carousel replaced them?

When work in the country dried up they moved to cities. When work in the cities dries up they...? Move underwater?

[TheRedArrow]

A world free of work, eh? Keep dreaming kid, people will always have to earn a living.

but you have to admit what passes for "work" in this day and age is for the most part obsolete--people just keep doing it without thinking because its become a bad habit--wouldnt it be superior solution for the evolution of the species to just pay people to be happy instead?

[TheRedArrow]

^It's actually good to work. When you are economically useful people won't try to exterminate you. Work is a form of economic leverage we have over elites which is good for us.

so your saying we have to appease the "elites" with these meaningless tasks just so they wont kill us? we're the ones with all the power -they still need us to buy their useless crap

[Katzenstaat]

My problem with elites isn't that they are capitalist. Instead the problem is that they use coercion and other non-capitalist means (mostly power) to preserve their status.

Free competition is good. Elites using political and military power against the public on the other hand is evil.

[Katzenstaat]

^It's actually good to work. When you are economically useful people won't try to exterminate you. Work is a form of economic leverage we have over elites which is good for us.

so your saying we have to appease the "elites" with these meaningless tasks just so they wont kill us? we're the ones with all the power -they still need us to buy their useless crap

Right now non-nobles do have some power.

In the age of AI we won't be. If robots can produce anything non-nobles can then why do nobility need us?

Votes? LOL when nobility can murder a billion with biological weapons and robots while we won't be able to overthrow them then do you think votes will exist any more? We will indeed be in danger.

[TheRedArrow]

^It's actually good to work. When you are economically useful people won't try to exterminate you. Work is a form of economic leverage we have over elites which is good for us.

It'll be better if we take the means of production for the elites and have the workers own it.
That way, we can work and be in charge of it.

yes and then the workers can delegate all the work to robots while the people engage in meaningful play

[TheRedArrow]

but thats the beauty of robots they dont demand payment -which means that money goes towards paying humans to buy things instead

Nah, it means that non-skilled humans are fired, leading to widespread poverty.

but people shouldnt have to work to live its demeaning

[TheRedArrow]

If automated workplaces are taking a large portion, or even a moderate portion, of the work in a country, something has to be done to supplement the income of those who cannot find work or you're going to have a whole slew of other issues.

That being said though, "work is oppression"? What are you, sixteen?

its oppression in that people are being FORCED to do it to live

[Sovaal]

Nah, it means that non-skilled humans are fired, leading to widespread poverty.

but people shouldnt have to work to live its demeaning

People have been working to live sense forever. It wont change for a long time, if at all. Even under Communism people still have to work.

[Valgora]

It'll be better if we take the means of production for the elites and have the workers own it.
That way, we can work and be in charge of it.

yes and then the workers can delegate all the work to robots while the people engage in meaningful play

I kinda hope not.

I don't like luxury communism, and I don't actually like the use of robots replacing workers.

[TheRedArrow]

It'll be better if we take the means of production for the elites and have the workers own it.
That way, we can work and be in charge of it.

I personally disagree. Property rights need to be respected because if we don't respect it it does not lead to workers owning methods of production either. Instead it leads to a feudal pre-capitalist scenario where whoever has political power controls methods of production. Communism is in fact ironically the cruelest form of crony capitalism where the Communist party exploits all workers. I'm fine with everyone chasing after wealth because chasing after wealth frequently make others wealthier as well. On the other hand pursuing power or exclusive sexual activities with as many people as possible are detrimental to the public.

Capitalism isn't perfect. However communism is much worse in practice. Hence I prefer capitalism.

or Socialism the Middle way which is the best of both worlds since too much capitalism and too much communism are equally destructive

[Katzenstaat]

yes and then the workers can delegate all the work to robots while the people engage in meaningful play

I kinda hope not.

I don't like luxury communism, and I don't actually like the use of robots replacing workers.

The actual problem is much worse. If robots produce everything they will also have power over everyone. Then humans will be exterminated or at least we will be irrelevant and incapable of being free from robots' rule ever.

[Sovaal]

I kinda hope not.

I don't like luxury communism, and I don't actually like the use of robots replacing workers.

The actual problem is much worse. If robots produce everything they will also have power over everyone. Then humans will be exterminated or at least we will be irrelevant.

Automated factories =/= skynet.