8 year old boy murdered because his mom thought he was gay

[Risottia]

Anyone who would murder their own young child should not be considered a sane individual.

Their sanity is up to the court to decide. Let's not invoke mental health issues, lest they use it as a defence.

Anyway, shouldn't the title of this thread read "killed" or "murdered", and not "abused"?

(also, "because")

[Genivaria]

I don't know what you would say actually.

I grew up in an abusive home, I have made that know across the forum. And also my posts have never even hinted at saying that saying the murder of children is morally right.

I apologize then, I misunderstood.

[Genivaria]

Anyone who would murder their own young child should not be considered a sane individual.

Their sanity is up to the court to decide. Let's not invoke mental health issues, lest they use it as a defence.

Anyway, shouldn't the title of this thread read "killed" or "murdered", and not "abused"?

(also, "because")

If it means that they'd thrown in a padded room away from people they can cause harm to then I'd be satisfied.

[Telconi]

Anyone who would murder their own young child should not be considered a sane individual.

Their sanity is up to the court to decide. Let's not invoke mental health issues, lest they use it as a defence.

Anyway, shouldn't the title of this thread read "killed" or "murdered", and not "abused"?

(also, "because")

Yeah, I went into this expecting horrific abuse, but to find they literally tortured him to death was a shock.

And no, I seriously don't care to hear people make excuses, we're they insane, maybe, but right now it looks like a pair of old fashioned homicidal bigots. And they should get strung up old fashioned.

[Genivaria]

Their sanity is up to the court to decide. Let's not invoke mental health issues, lest they use it as a defence.

Anyway, shouldn't the title of this thread read "killed" or "murdered", and not "abused"?

(also, "because")

Yeah, I went into this expecting horrific abuse, but to find they literally tortured him to death was a shock.

And no, I seriously don't care to hear people make excuses, we're they insane, maybe, but right now it looks like a pair of old fashioned homicidal bigots. And they should get strung up old fashioned.

I'm iffy about the death penalty but a part of me feels like people who torture and murder children (especially their own) are incapable of being reformed.

[The Alexanderians]

I don't know what you would say actually.

I grew up in an abusive home, I have made that know across the forum. And also my posts have never even hinted at saying that saying the murder of children is morally right.

You're gay right Therm?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Anyone who would murder their own young child should not be considered a sane individual.

Their sanity is up to the court to decide. Let's not invoke mental health issues, lest they use it as a defence.

Anyway, shouldn't the title of this thread read "killed" or "murdered", and not "abused"?

(also, "because")

I have changed the title.

[Risottia]

I have changed the title.

Thank you.

[Thermodolia]

I grew up in an abusive home, I have made that know across the forum. And also my posts have never even hinted at saying that saying the murder of children is morally right.

You're gay right Therm?

Yes. Though that had nothing to do with any abuse I received. Apparently I'm really good at hiding the fact that I'm gay

[Galloism]

You're gay right Therm?

Yes. Though that had nothing to do with any abuse I received. Apparently I'm really good at hiding the fact that I'm gay

Maybe you're straight pretending to be gay pretending to be straight.

[The Alexanderians]

Yes. Though that had nothing to do with any abuse I received. Apparently I'm really good at hiding the fact that I'm gay

Maybe you're straight pretending to be gay pretending to be straight.

"I'm a dude playing a dude pretending to be another dude"

[Telconi]

Yeah, I went into this expecting horrific abuse, but to find they literally tortured him to death was a shock.

And no, I seriously don't care to hear people make excuses, we're they insane, maybe, but right now it looks like a pair of old fashioned homicidal bigots. And they should get strung up old fashioned.

I'm iffy about the death penalty but a part of me feels like people who torture and murder children (especially their own) are incapable of being reformed.

Here's how I see it. You have four options.

Option A) You attempt reform and fail. Person is not a functional member of society and resources are wasted to attempt reformation.

Option B) You attempt reform and succeed. Person is not a functional member of society because they are crippled by the knowledge of what terrible things they did. Resources are wasted on an emotionally crippled member of society. And this person now lives a life of internal torture.

Option C) You simply put them in a cement box forever, they never are reformed, and they live as a monster in a zoo. Resources are wasted feeding and housing them.

Option D) Execution. You simply end their life, minimal resources are used. No further agony is inflicted on anyone.

[Galloism]

I'm iffy about the death penalty but a part of me feels like people who torture and murder children (especially their own) are incapable of being reformed.

Here's how I see it. You have four options.

Option A) You attempt reform and fail. Person is not a functional member of society and resources are wasted to attempt reformation.

Option B) You attempt reform and succeed. Person is not a functional member of society because they are crippled by the knowledge of what terrible things they did. Resources are wasted on an emotionally crippled member of society. And this person now lives a life of internal torture.

Option C) You simply put them in a cement box forever, they never are reformed, and they live as a monster in a zoo. Resources are wasted feeding and housing them.

Option D) Execution. You simply end their life, minimal resources are used. No further agon is inflicted on anyone.

I will point out that Option D costs more than Option C.

[Telconi]

Here's how I see it. You have four options.

Option A) You attempt reform and fail. Person is not a functional member of society and resources are wasted to attempt reformation.

Option B) You attempt reform and succeed. Person is not a functional member of society because they are crippled by the knowledge of what terrible things they did. Resources are wasted on an emotionally crippled member of society. And this person now lives a life of internal torture.

Option C) You simply put them in a cement box forever, they never are reformed, and they live as a monster in a zoo. Resources are wasted feeding and housing them.

Option D) Execution. You simply end their life, minimal resources are used. No further agon is inflicted on anyone.

I will point out that Option D costs more than Option C.

But shouldn't. Alas, an issue for another thread perhaps.

[USS Monitor]

This is why we must keep the death penalty.

Will killing them bring the kid back? No. Is it going to be more effective than prison to protect other children? No.

But having it on the books does open the door for other people -- people who are not the same level of scummy, people against whom the evidence is not as clear-cut -- to get executed.

[Thermodolia]

This is why we must keep the death penalty.

Will killing them bring the kid back? No. Is it going to be more effective than prison to protect other children? No.

But having it on the books does open the door for other people -- people who are not the same level of scummy, people against whom the evidence is not as clear-cut -- to get executed.

Hence why all crimes have the death penalty say "up to" instead of "only" before the words "the death penalty". Basically it's possible that a person who commits murder might not get the death penalty. It all depends on the circumstances.

[Methodological Individualism]

Sometimes I feel like the Soviets were onto something with that whole bullet to the back of the head thing.

The Soviets were wrong. Not only is there little evidence that capital punishment deters crime, even if it did, this particular method would still be far too quick and easily endured compared to what the victim of the crime endured.

[Vassenor]

Sometimes I feel like the Soviets were onto something with that whole bullet to the back of the head thing.

The Soviets were wrong. Not only is there little evidence that capital punishment deters crime, even if it did, this particular method would still be far too quick and easily endured compared to what the victim of the crime endured.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

[USS Monitor]

Yeah, I went into this expecting horrific abuse, but to find they literally tortured him to death was a shock.

And no, I seriously don't care to hear people make excuses, we're they insane, maybe, but right now it looks like a pair of old fashioned homicidal bigots. And they should get strung up old fashioned.

I'm iffy about the death penalty but a part of me feels like people who torture and murder children (especially their own) are incapable of being reformed.

Whether these specific people are capable of being reformed is beside the point. They probably aren't, but they can get life without parole if that's the issue. The problem with the death penalty is that if it's on the table for this case, it will also be legal to apply to other cases, and we haven't figured out a reliable way to prevent it from being misused in states where it is on the books.

[Methodological Individualism]

I will point out that Option D costs more than Option C.

But shouldn't. Alas, an issue for another thread perhaps.

It should, since a lot of the cost of D involves legal processes aimed at minimizing the false positive rate, given the nature of the consequences.

I would hope so anyway.

[Dooom35796821595]

The Soviets were wrong. Not only is there little evidence that capital punishment deters crime, even if it did, this particular method would still be far too quick and easily endured compared to what the victim of the crime endured.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

Justice is supposed to be blind...so an eye for an eye makes the world just!

[Trumptonium]

You know it's funny when leftists on this forum say that some people just can't shut up about immigrants/blacks/muslims and turn every thread into it, when literally the first people to start derailing the thread to Trump supporters and Christian-bashing are two notoriously annoying leftists

[Trumptonium]

Will killing them bring the kid back?

No but neither will imprisoning them

Is it going to be more effective than prison to protect other children?

Well ... yes ...

[Methodological Individualism]

The Soviets were wrong. Not only is there little evidence that capital punishment deters crime, even if it did, this particular method would still be far too quick and easily endured compared to what the victim of the crime endured.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

If we take this sentiment to its logical conclusion, of course, then all notions of justice (retributive and restorative) are out the window. This is probably a problem.

Fortunately, we can empirically conclude that capital punishment specifically is not really a good option, while the rest of justice remains.

Even if the kind of people who commit this kind of crime deserve a noose made of a single strand of piano wire selected from one of the lower octaves. Alas.

[Risottia]

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

Justice is supposed to be blind...so an eye for an eye makes the world just!

I never understood why the Helvetii started this thing about a blind Iustitia. It doesn't make sense. Augustus had Iustitia represented with a stern and keen gaze.