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Which hostile power leader should the US assassinate?

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Which Regime should USA decapitate next?

Kim Jong Un of the DPRK
15
43%
Hassan Rouhani & mullahs of the "Islamic Republic" of Iran
6
17%
Putin & his mafia state of Russia
3
9%
Xi Jinping & ComParty of China
0
No votes
Bashar Assad of Syria
7
20%
Castro of Cuba
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6%
Maduro of Venezuela
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6%
 
Total votes : 35

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Which hostile power leader should the US assassinate?

Postby Sharania » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:22 pm

There are times when the very real, very evil individual (I can’t bring myself to call them “humans”) do something so utterly evil, that they must be punished – quickly and ruthlessly. You have to hit – and you have to hit them HARD.

This March, Deputy National Security Adviser K.T. McFarland directed aides to include “ideas that one official described as well outside the mainstream”. We now know what some of these options are: they include everything from reintroducing nuclear weapons to South Korea as a show of force and deterrence to the regime change via assassinating Kim Jong-un and his top commanders.

And I have only one thing to say – about bloody time!

There was a time in the past when assassinating a foreign leader was an integral component of America’s national-security toolkit. During the Cold War, rogue and/or pro-Soviet leaders were targets for removal. Fidel Castro (Cuba), Patrice Lumumba (Congo) Rafael Trujillo (the Dominican Republic), Jacobo Árbenz (Guatemala) were all on the CIA’s hit-list at one point in time, and Libya’s Muammar Qaddafi was a frequent target due to his sponsorship of international terrorism. In 1986, President Ronald Reagan authorized an air strike on Qaddafi’s compound in the hope that he would be in the building.

No so long ago, in fact, several days prior to major military operations in Iraq, Washington lobbed cruise missiles at Saddam and the Iraqi political leadership in the belief that perhaps further war could be avoided. So the will and the means for doing it are still here. The only question I’m asking you here is – who should be a target?

Pursuing a policy that would lead to, e.g, the assassination of Kim Jong-un and the decapitating of the North Korean leadership wouldn’t therefore be a big reversal from the standard U.S. policy. Policies, of course, can change and presidential directives and executive orders can be modified or rewritten – that’s why, lately, this practice was not so prominent. But it is still feasible. And there is no statutory prohibition that would prohibit the president of the United States to order a hit on a foreign leader. Although 18 U.S. Code, Section 1116 could be used to prosecute a U.S. person who attempts to kill a foreign leader, this statute only applies if the crime is committed in the United States or the leader is targeted “in a country other than his own.” If any POTUS, even Trump were willing to amend current executive orders on the books, his administration would presumably target Kim Jong-un and not be penalized under the criminal code. That’s a fact.

With this cleared, i.e. that there is no crime really in the act should it happened, the only question remains – whom? The US has both the means and the will to do that. The only question is, who should be the target?

Despite the MSM propagated hysteria, I’m not distracted by Fat Boy Kim’s antics. No, he and his regime while despicable and abhorrent are not prime targets. What is of more immediate concern are resurgent Iran and Russia, filling the vacuum left by US withdrawal from the ME under Obama and following the ISIL short lived surge there.

But I’m also interested in the opinions of fellow members of Nation States board.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:35 pm

I'm sure killing the Russian president wouldn't start a nuclear war... :unsure:

I'm sure killing the Chinese premier wouldn't start a nuclear war... :blink:

I don't know, how about that madman who wears too much fake tan and has weird hair. Mr Garrison!
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Postby Socialista Mozambique » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:39 pm

How about we assassinate members of the dangerous regime of the United Statos of Americano, which supports violent dissidents abroad, invades rivals and even threatens foreign world leaders with murder!

Truly a barbaric country, with no respect on international sovereignty!

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Postby Cruxa » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:42 pm

Assad. By killing Assad, we show Russia what's up, end a nasty civil war, calm some of the crazy shit goin' on in the ME, and give us time to build an ALLY and not a nation in Syria.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:42 pm

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:47 pm

Socialista Mozambique wrote:How about we assassinate members of the dangerous regime of the United Statos of Americano, which supports violent dissidents abroad, invades rivals and even threatens foreign world leaders with murder!

Truly a barbaric country, with no respect on international sovereignty!

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:49 pm

All of them except Castro and Rouhani.

We can assassinate all the Mullahs if we can somehow not get blamed for it tho.
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:50 pm

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Postby Socialista Mozambique » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:51 pm

Cruxa wrote:Assad. By killing Assad, we show Russia what's up, end a nasty civil war, calm some of the crazy shit goin' on in the ME, and give us time to build an ALLY and not a nation in Syria.

Assad is an unpleasant man, and his regime is worse, but believing that killing him will end the civil war... I want what you're smoking.

Killing him will only result in another dictator taking reign of the Syrian government, and even if it collapses, that would only lead to infighting between the various rebel groups and the resurgence of ISIS (which is primarily under attack by government forces).

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Postby Alanis Star » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:51 pm

No one... I'm pretty sure assassinating a leader will never go well, no matter the well-meaning intentions.

If we try to off Mr. Kim from N. Korea, who knows how may more countries are allies with NK! This will give them fuel to attack US in return.

As stated above, if Assad is offed, we don't know for sure whether someone will take over him (most likely), it will become better, or worse!

Politics are already tense as they already are. As a paranoid mind, I feel that an assassination might start WW3.
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Postby Valgora » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:53 pm

Alanis Star wrote:No one... I'm pretty sure assassinating a leader will never go well, no matter the well-meaning intentions.

If we try to off Mr. Kim from N. Korea, who knows how may more countries are allies with NK! This will give them fuel to attack US in return.


China is pretty much NK's only ally and the leadership of the DPRK has a history of pissing them off.
I think Russia is a possible ally; however, I'm not sure.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:55 pm

Valgora wrote:
Alanis Star wrote:No one... I'm pretty sure assassinating a leader will never go well, no matter the well-meaning intentions.

If we try to off Mr. Kim from N. Korea, who knows how may more countries are allies with NK! This will give them fuel to attack US in return.


China is pretty much NK's only ally and the leadership of the DPRK has a history of pissing them off.
I think Russia is a possible ally; however, I'm not sure.

Nobody likes NK. Still, lets not murder people for politics
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Postby Baalkistann » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:55 pm

Kim Jong Un definitely.

But assassination is an act of war so that could have some really bad repercussions.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:56 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Nobody likes NK. Still, lets not murder people for politics

"Let's not murder a small number of bastards to save a large number of probably-not-bastards."
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Conserative Morality wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Nobody likes NK. Still, lets not murder people for politics

"Let's not murder a small number of bastards to save a large number of probably-not-bastards."

I'd rather them be arrested
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:57 pm

None. Neoconservatism is a cancer.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:58 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Nobody likes NK. Still, lets not murder people for politics

"Let's not murder a small number of bastards to save a large number of probably-not-bastards."

Such logic has always been used by those who actually give a damn about minimizing casualties.
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Postby Valgora » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:58 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:"Let's not murder a small number of bastards to save a large number of probably-not-bastards."

I'd rather them be arrested


I doubt you could arrest someone like Kim Jong Un.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:58 pm

Assassination sounds like a good idea and it sometimes is, but it can leads to undesired results. Assassinating a leader could lead to major instability and the birth or growth of extremist groups, which could spread into other countries or even attack the assassin.

For example, assassinating the NK leader could just lead to a similar one being installed, and he (Or she) could retaliate, which China and likely Russia would support and also declare war on the US.

And no, assassinating US leaders (No matter if they're a conservative or liberal) is an equally terrible idea, which can backlash on the assassin by making them into a martyr and possibly rallying even more support for that person's side.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:58 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:"Let's not murder a small number of bastards to save a large number of probably-not-bastards."

I'd rather them be arrested

And tried and sentenced by who?

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Postby Socialista Mozambique » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:58 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:"Let's not murder a small number of bastards to save a large number of probably-not-bastards."

Except that will definitely not happen, in any of these cases. It's a sad fact that killing dictators rarely leads to a stable and safe nation.
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:59 pm

None of them, since the laundry list of previous attempts should speak to how badly attempts tend to blow up in the perpetrator's faces. Above and beyond the whole 'political assassination is bad' thing, of course.
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How is it that I get warned for trolling simply by insinuating that were Erdogan to be shot Turkey would improve, yet this thread still exists? Just saying.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:00 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I'd rather them be arrested

And tried and sentenced by who?

The UN preferably, with some heavy involvement of the people who suffered
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Postby Valgora » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:01 pm

Montchevre wrote:How is it that I get warned for trolling simply by insinuating that were Erdogan to be shot Turkey would improve, yet this thread still exists? Just saying.

Still a cool thread though.


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