Richard Spencer and Modern Nazism: #NotMyAmerica

[The East Marches II]

It's not half hearted, you just stated an opinion and expected us to take it as fact. Why bother with more when you've not provided the proofs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_Battalion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Inf ... ted_States)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/92nd_Infa ... ted_States)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Medicine_Crow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Legion
Etc. Etc. All non-white units that fought the Nazis.

Colonials fighting a white man's war. Thats no surprise. They weren't their equals. Unless we can suddenly be free of the guilt if we rewrite history, inwhich case fair enough.

[Nakena]

Oh my! He's soo dangerous.

He has good looks though.

[Aillyria]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_Battalion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Inf ... ted_States)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/92nd_Infa ... ted_States)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Medicine_Crow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Legion
Etc. Etc. All non-white units that fought the Nazis.

Colonials fighting a white man's war. Thats no surprise. They weren't their equals. Unless we can suddenly be free of the guilt if we rewrite history, inwhich case fair enough.

People always make that mistake. The Allies were fighting a war together on pragmatism and power playing, not principle. The Allies fought Germany, because she was a theat to their position, sure they opposed the ideology....but that was far from the primary reason. If anything, the United States took on the legacy of Nazism more than most of our people would think.

[The of Japan]

Colonials fighting a white man's war. Thats no surprise. They weren't their equals. Unless we can suddenly be free of the guilt if we rewrite history, inwhich case fair enough.

People always make that mistake. The Allies were fighting a war together on pragmatism and power playing, not principle. The Allies fought Germany, because she was a theat to their position, sure they opposed the ideology....but that was far from the primary reason. If anything, the United States took on the legacy of Nazism more than most of our people would think.

So a fraction of a fraction of a percent is that?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Who crushed them? It certainly wasn't a bunch of Africans, fam.



And yet we keep coming back. Kinda invalidates your "mel brooks" strategy, doesn't it?

Nah. It was a bunch of Asians, blacks, whites, Jews, Maori, Arabs, etc. all working together to crush the Nazis. The beauty of what America is supposed to represent.

It was pretty much just 90%white people.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Colonials fighting a white man's war. Thats no surprise. They weren't their equals. Unless we can suddenly be free of the guilt if we rewrite history, inwhich case fair enough.

People always make that mistake. The Allies were fighting a war together on pragmatism and power playing, not principle. The Allies fought Germany, because she was a theat to their position, sure they opposed the ideology....but that was far from the primary reason. If anything, the United States took on the legacy of Nazism more than most of our people would think.

Germany was a threat to their position precisely because of the ideology.

[Nakena]

People always make that mistake. The Allies were fighting a war together on pragmatism and power playing, not principle. The Allies fought Germany, because she was a theat to their position, sure they opposed the ideology....but that was far from the primary reason. If anything, the United States took on the legacy of Nazism more than most of our people would think.

So a fraction of a fraction of a percent is that?

Operation Paperclip, Wehrmacht tactics and strategies, technology and as well ideology was incorporated.

Think about the CIA and the Schools for the Americas for example? Did the US had anything like that before?

No. It could be a legacy of the 3rd Reich, the US defeated ""fascism"" but by doing so inherited to spirit of it... over many years it laid dormant in the shadows until it rose to visibility of Donald Trump. In a very different form nonetheless.

Really makes you think doesnt it?

Or not...

[Oa Lesotho]

People always make that mistake. The Allies were fighting a war together on pragmatism and power playing, not principle. The Allies fought Germany, because she was a theat to their position, sure they opposed the ideology....but that was far from the primary reason. If anything, the United States took on the legacy of Nazism more than most of our people would think.

Or because they were attacked by the Nazis (wait, does the USSR still count as a part of the Allies?).

[The of Japan]

So a fraction of a fraction of a percent is that?

Operation Paperclip, Wehrmacht tactics and strategies, technology and as well ideology was incorporated.

Think about the CIA and the Schools for the Americas for example? Did the US had anything like that before?

No. It could be a legacy of the 3rd Reich, the US defeated fascism but by doing so inherited to spirit of it... over many years it laid dormant in the shadows until it rose to visibility of Donald Trump. In a very different form nonetheless.

Really makes you think doesnt it?

Or not...

CIA was created as part of Cold War, both US and USSR took nazi scientists, Trump is an idiot, but he isn't a nazi.

[The of Japan]

People always make that mistake. The Allies were fighting a war together on pragmatism and power playing, not principle. The Allies fought Germany, because she was a theat to their position, sure they opposed the ideology....but that was far from the primary reason. If anything, the United States took on the legacy of Nazism more than most of our people would think.

Or because they were attacked by the Nazis (wait, does the USSR still count as a part of the Allies?).

In games they are the Comintern

[Aillyria]

People always make that mistake. The Allies were fighting a war together on pragmatism and power playing, not principle. The Allies fought Germany, because she was a theat to their position, sure they opposed the ideology....but that was far from the primary reason. If anything, the United States took on the legacy of Nazism more than most of our people would think.

Germany was a threat to their position precisely because of the ideology.

Some aspects, sure. That could be said. However, the opposition wasn't as noble and pure as most people make it out to be.

People always make that mistake. The Allies were fighting a war together on pragmatism and power playing, not principle. The Allies fought Germany, because she was a theat to their position, sure they opposed the ideology....but that was far from the primary reason. If anything, the United States took on the legacy of Nazism more than most of our people would think.

Or because they were attacked by the Nazis (wait, does the USSR still count as a part of the Allies?).

Yes. But the USSR only co-opted out of necessity, no other reason really.

[Nakena]

People always make that mistake. The Allies were fighting a war together on pragmatism and power playing, not principle. The Allies fought Germany, because she was a theat to their position, sure they opposed the ideology....but that was far from the primary reason. If anything, the United States took on the legacy of Nazism more than most of our people would think.

Or because they were attacked by the Nazis (wait, does the USSR still count as a part of the Allies?).

Hitler declared War on the USA after his initial quest for lebensraum failed a few miles away from Moscow in winter 1941. So he moved on to the next thing, the Holocaust.

He wanted to make sure that Germany would no have easy option to bail out from the War anymore.

[Oa Lesotho]

Yes. But the USSR only co-opted out of necessity, no other reason really.

They co-opted into what?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

So a fraction of a fraction of a percent is that?

Operation Paperclip,

Okay.

Wehrmacht tactics and strategies, technology

We use tanks and rockets, guess we're a lot like the Nazis.

and as well ideology was incorporated.

We went in the opposite direction of Nazi ideology.

Think about the CIA and the Schools for the Americas for example? Did the US had anything like that before?

We also didn't have the Air Force before, guess we got these ideas from the Nazis and not from adapting wartime institutions.

No. It could be a legacy of the 3rd Reich, the US defeated fascism but by doing so inherited to spirit of it... over many years it laid dormant in the shadows until it rose to visibility of Donald Trump. In a very different form nonetheless.

Really makes you think doesnt it?

Or not...

Nah, that's just retarded tinfoil logic.

[Nakena]

Nah, that's just retarded tinfoil logic.

nuuuuuu!

You got me. *drops tinfoil*

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Germany was a threat to their position precisely because of the ideology.

Some aspects, sure. That could be said. However, the opposition wasn't as noble and pure as most people make it out to be.

It wasn't, but really, do you need to be a perfect human being to justify war against the most terrible regime in modern history?

[Aillyria]

Yes. But the USSR only co-opted out of necessity, no other reason really.

They co-opted into what?

Uh...the Allies?


Also guys...US clandestine BS like Operation Paperclip, MK-Ultra, Operation Northwoods, etc...the list goes on.

[Oa Lesotho]

Uh...the Allies?


Also guys...US clandestine BS like Operation Paperclip, MK-Ultra, Operation Northwoods, etc...the list goes on.

I don't get it.

I make a point on how the Soviet Union as a member of the Allies were forced into the conflict because they were attacked, and then you respond by saying they were co-opted into Allies...

[Aillyria]

Uh...the Allies?


Also guys...US clandestine BS like Operation Paperclip, MK-Ultra, Operation Northwoods, etc...the list goes on.

I don't get it.

I make a point on how the Soviet Union as a member of the Allies were forced into the conflict because they were attacked, and then you respond by saying they were co-opted into Allies...

I don't understand the confusion......

I used "co-opted" as shorthand for "cooperated".

[Fartsniffage]

I don't get it.

I make a point on how the Soviet Union as a member of the Allies were forced into the conflict because they were attacked, and then you respond by saying they were co-opted into Allies...

I don't understand the confusion......

I used "co-opted" as shorthand for "cooperated".

Co-opted has a very different meaning....

[Imperializt Russia]

While I'm all for diversity of opinions in universities, really have no idea what a Neo Nazi populist is supposed to contribute to an academic setting, besides maybe giving protesters something to do. Glad the governor is preparing in advance for the storm.

That is exactly the idea.

They go to stir controversy and get media coverage. They learned well from their ideological forebears.

[Vassenor]

While I'm all for diversity of opinions in universities, really have no idea what a Neo Nazi populist is supposed to contribute to an academic setting, besides maybe giving protesters something to do. Glad the governor is preparing in advance for the storm.

That is exactly the idea.

They go to stir controversy and get media coverage. They learned well from their ideological forebears.

And also don't seem to get the concept of "fighting words", or how you're not an oppressed victim if you goad people into hitting you.

[Oa Lesotho]

I don't understand the confusion......

I used "co-opted" as shorthand for "cooperated".

That's not the confusion.

Basically,I mention the USSR as evidence of a nation in the Allies that was invaded by Nazi Germany, rather than a member of the Allies fighting Nazi Germany to secure their own position of power. You then respond to that by saying that the USSR became a member of the Allies, which doesn't really respond to my point, hence my confusion.

Unless you're just responding to my question about whether the USSR is still considered a part of the Allies, which was really sarcastic but I should have made that clearer.

[Aillyria]

I don't understand the confusion......

I used "co-opted" as shorthand for "cooperated".

That's not the confusion.

Basically,I mention the USSR as evidence of a nation in the Allies that was invaded by Nazi Germany, rather than a member of the Allies fighting Nazi Germany to secure their own position of power. You then respond to that by saying that the USSR became a member of the Allies, which doesn't really respond to my point, hence my confusion.

Unless you're just responding to my question about whether the USSR is still considered a part of the Allies, which was really sarcastic but I should have made that clearer.

Ah, ok. Yes, it was the latter of the two. I wasn't arguing against your initial point about the USSR, I was agreeing with you.

[Torrocca]

So a fraction of a fraction of a percent is that?

Wehrmacht strategies, technology and as well ideology was incorporated.

Ah yes, those amazing strategies like out-running your own supply lines, declaring war on every major power in the world, engaging I a land war across the Eastern European steppe without oil for your vehicles, using horses to provide for 80% of your supplies, and investing in worthless wunderwaffe sure was the pinnacle of WWII, as were the machines of "every man gets a bolt-action" Kar98k, "broken transmission" panthers and tiger 1s, "can't beat a greyhound" tiger 2s, etc